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Five Wide Fullbacks: The Way Too Wordy and Personal Edition

Wait, what? What is 4pointshooter doing in a football post? Why is he referring to himself in the third person? Okay, he's gonna stop now.

In the wake of last week's minimalist 5WF this week's edition turned into some personal ramblings, and while I did my best to keep it entertaining, I apologize in advance for whatever you may regard as verbose and superfluous. Well, might as well keep this part short. This week's 5WF is after the jump!

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You have been granted access to a time machine and can go back to watch one Notre Dame football game live and in person. Which game do you choose?

I watched the 2005 USC game two days later on Star Sports Asia while I was right in the middle of writing American college applications from the Philippines. I was merely considering Notre Dame at the time and after that game, I was pretty sure I wanted to go. As a Korean I’ve always related to pain and longing in an explicable manner (it’s called ‘Han’ in our native tongue and there is no English equivalent: click here for the Jed Bartlet - best ND alum ever? - version) and the painful passion I saw in the faces of the home crowd drew me to Notre Dame in the first place. Falling in love with Our Lady’s university in person, right then and there, would have been something special.

Describe your emotions after a tough Notre Dame loss. Do you get angry, depressed, sad, or full of rage? How do you best move on from the heart break of an Irish loss?

Up until the 11th hour of my college decision cycle, I was virtually a lock to UCLA. They had recently offered me a full merit scholarship, and even placed me in their honors program while Northwestern was too pricey for my family to afford. 3 days before the decision deadline, Notre Dame sent me their financial aid package (this was my equivalent of a 4:30am Bob Diaco visit) and the numbers on that piece of paper swayed my decision. So after every painful loss – ’07 Navy, ’08 Pittsburgh and Syracuse, ’09 Michigan, USC, and UConn, ’10 Michigan and Tulsa, ’11 South Florida and Michigan – the first thought that comes in my head is "I SHOULD HAVE GONE TO UCLA!

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can you blame me? CAN YOU BLAME ME?(via beatsc.com)

I have a few friends that went to school in Westwood and visited the campus in three separate occasions in the last 6 years. The weather is always perfect, the girls – specifically the Asian girls – are unbelievably beautiful and though the football program has been awful, with the two previously mentioned things, I probably wouldn’t have cared about it. I don’t regret my decision to attend Notre Dame – it is still the best decision I have ever made to this day – but in those painful moments after the clock strikes 0:00 and we are the losing end, I like to think about this alternate reality where I’m sitting under a palm tree, wearing shorts and flip flops with a hot Korean girl lying next to me as I proceed to not care about college football.

But how do you best move on from a tough Irish loss?

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Notre Dame decides to put you in charge of the in-game musical arrangements. What do you do?

I’m okay with "Shipping Up to Boston" before kickoff. And the mix of hard rock is good at times. I also know that the Band of the Fighting Irish is still an integral part of the football experience so I wouldn’t add too many or completely change the structure of the stadium music as is. However, I would like to add a few U2 songs – "Vertigo" seems like an easy fit before a kick off (and NO I DON’T CARE IF HE’S COUNTING 1-2-3-14), as does "Pride." And am I the only one who thinks the chorus from "Beautiful Day" would be nice at some celebratory point? (Maybe in the fourth quarter of a blow-out win). I am, aren't I?

Do some quick research and give us the one 2013 prospect that you want to come to Notre Dame.

Oh I have more than just one: I want the recent streak of elite D-Line prospects to continue and while Robert Nkemdiche seems like an SEC lock, one can always dream right? Or how about after losing out on Deontay Greenberry last minute (sorry for bringing this up), don’t we need an elite outside the lines WR like Robert Foster or Ricky Seals-Jones? But if I’m indeed forced into picking just one, Vernon Hargreaves III is the name I’d spit out with that gun pointed at my head. VH3 (already like the ring of that nickname) is the consensus #1 CB of this class and ideally a 3 year partner with Tee Shepard in our defensive backfield. Teams already can’t run much against the Irish D with Louis, Stephon and Aaron holding down the line, I’d like for teams not to be able to pass against us too.

The year is 2048 and you are an old man watching the Irish play on a beautiful Saturday with your children and grandchildren. At one point in the game you witness a sideline interview with a bald and aging Jimmy Clausen, back on campus for the first time in years. Let’s assume many of his passing records are still intact---what is going through your head during the interview?

Most Irish fans know the manner with which Jimmy Clausen’s career at Notre Dame started. He pulled up to the College Football Hall of Fame in a white stretch Hummer limo, hair spiked and state championship rings in full display. He committed to play for Charlie Weis and declared that he would win four national championships and four Heisman trophies. In that moment if you were to look up the word "bombastic" in the dictionary, you probably would have found this picture:

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"Yea some Vietnamese lady did my nails yesterday," (via www.thesportsbrewery.com)

We were all excited about what Jimmy could do on the field, but aside from that he was not well received in the social circles of Notre Dame at the time. I remember my first encounter with the guy in January ’07. Notre Dame was its usual snowed in self and I was heading back to my dorm (Knott Hall!) after classes when I felt like there was someone behind me was struggling to control the bike he was on. It was Clausen laboriously controlling his bike not to slip and it was made even worse by the fact that he was not wearing any gloves and was trying to pull down his (mind you he was double hoody-ing) sleeves to keep his hands warm while riding. I got out of the way just in time and he continued on without offering any words of apology – so I yelled at him as he biked away, "IT’S CALLED F***KING GLOVES DOUCHEBAG!"

But by his third year, he had matured by all accounts and he was brilliant on the field. I mean you replace the ’09 defense with the ’11 one and Jimmy Clausen gets an invite to New York. And if I’m witnessing this interview taking place (on the jumbotron obviously) I’m thinking about him getting sacked against Michigan in ’07, then I’m thinking of that perfect pass he threw to Golden Tate against USC in ’09. But at the end of the interview, I would wonder if he ever got those gloves that I told him he should get.

Those are my very personal ramblings, what are your answers to this week's 5WF questions?

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1) Probably the January 1, 1971 Cotton Bowl against Texas. I’d like to be at a game where you knew within a reasonable doubt that ND could win the national title and the ‘88 game (my second choice) didn’t feature a historically great team—-so I’d go with Ara’s second title.

2) I’m almost always on the side of sad/depressed versus angry and full of rage. I move on by believing in better days, is there any other way?

3) U2??? Maybe “Sunday Bloody Sunday”…MAYBE. I’d pump the stadium full of a lot of classic rock but also mix in some Technotronic, and other pulse raising dance music.

4) Ty Isaac right now just because I am intrigued by a 6’3" running back.

5) I’m not sure what will go through my head. I think remembering just how nearly flawless he was during the 2009 season will be what’s on my mind the most. I’m also assuming he will never have played much in the NFL and I’d probably feel bad for him for not really living up to his hype I guess.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 17, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

Jed Bartlet?

JED BARLET. And I’m on board with U2..too. And some Zep. Yep.

by SirWalter on Feb 17, 2012 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Thunderstruck

Never have figured out why this isn’t a top request for ND stadium. It’s been a favorite of my high school’s for years, and I think it would be perfect at ND. The opening guitar riff immediately gets the blood pumping, and about 30 seconds in, you just get “THUNDER!!” repeated.

And if Ozzy Osbourne is acceptable, AC/DC should be angelic.

If that’s not a great way to shake down the thunder, I don’t know what is.

You can't spell SUCK without SC or UK.

by OderName on Feb 17, 2012 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

4ps is the king of the hypothetical question...

1) Catholics vs. Convicts

2) I just try to look at some positives and negatives and then move on. When I was going to ND, I was having a great time that night no matter what. Now, it’s a little bit harder to just move on but there is always other stuff to distract me. I NEVER watch any Sportscenter or highlights show if there is a possibility that I have to listen to some idiot national “analyst” “break down” the problems of my team.

3) I would give complete control over music to the players and just edit so as not to offend anyone. If the players are jacked and they are playing well, then the crowd will be loud no matter what.

4) Way too many at this point to just pick one. Jaylon Smith, I guess is as close to a “must have” as I can come up with, but no one player is necessary, just good overall classes with some natural talent and room to grow.

5) Clausen, as good as he was, I’ll always think what could have been if the O-line was on a real training regiment over those years. Clausen behind the current line would be unreal, I don’t care who is playing WR.

by alstein on Feb 17, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

jaylon smith

indiana product and a freak athlete that can play OLB…. ME LIKE

btw… happy birthday michael amirite?

by 4pointshooter on Feb 17, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

4PS, explain your lineage and path to ND.

You were a Korean (South I’m assuming) national living in and attending HS in the Philipines, but your family is from Elkhart? Did they move there for you ala Alice Lynch? Clarify your convoluted personal narrative please.

by Mouth of the South on Feb 17, 2012 10:58 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

the lineage

i was born in seoul, korea.

my parents moved to the philippines as missionaries (wait, am i tim tebow?) less than a year after my birth.

for the next 18 years i lived mostly in the philippines but also in the u.s. and korea

i had always planned to return to the states for college and it looks like i’ll be staying around for a while this time.

by 4pointshooter on Feb 17, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm imagining a visual of you yelling at Clausen.

Pretty funny 4pt. Pretty funny.

You never punched him in a bar did you???

by whiskey OFD on Feb 17, 2012 11:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

no

he did attend a few asian house parties (he had yellow fever for a little bit) but i never punched him then either haha

by 4pointshooter on Feb 17, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I've already told this story

but my only interaction with Clausen was the time he almost hit me with his bike – kinda like your story.

by burger23 on Feb 17, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

joe montana also almost ran me over with is car

he was dropping off nate for class and i was running-

he got out and asked me “you’re okay right?”

i froze and just stared at him for a few seconds

by 4pointshooter on Feb 17, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's so awesome.

I already told of my encounter with Jimmy, too, and it also involved a near car-human collision, only I was the one behind the wheel. I did almost run (on foot) into Manti on his bike a few years ago while running, but that was more my fault than his.

#figureitoutbobby

by fishoutofwater on Feb 17, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

When it's Manti

It’s always your fault. Are you going to tell him otherwise?

by The Guys Get Shirts! on Feb 17, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You are correct; I misspoke.

It was entirely my fault. Entirely.

#figureitoutbobby

by fishoutofwater on Feb 17, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Could not wait to respond, great Q's

1. The Orange Bowl in 1990. With a time machine I can ensure a referee does not blow a call at the end of the game. http://youtu.be/sqC_Br3cDJg
2. Usually, I am frustrated. Not when we faced a perceived better opponent, but when we lost due to internal mistakes. Can anyone say fumbles, fumbles, fumbles in 2011???
3. I am partial to Jesus Christ Superstar.
4. 2048 and the records of a three year player are still intact? I am feeling really bad that someone could not break those records…

by Caledonia Kid on Feb 17, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Throwing my hat in the ring here...

1. Too many to choose from, but I think I would be inclined to pick the ’66 Michigan State-ND game. I know it ended in a tie, but it was the Game of the Century. Also for submission: ’24 Army (Four Horsemen), ’28 Army (Win one for the Gipper), ’46 Army, ’93 FSU, ’89 Michigan (Rocket x2), ’92 Penn State (Snow Bowl). I could go on, but will stop there

2. I used to be angry/full of rage, but not so much anymore. Not that I don’t care, but its more of a few hours of quiet introspection combined with sadness, finally moving on (which depends on how they lost).

3. Musical arrangements — I would try to use the band as much as possible, with a sprinkling in of recorded music. I also like the idea of giving the players some input on what they want. I realize it would be a giant coordination effort, but I think it can be pulled off.

4. Too many 2013 recruits to go through, as I have started doing a bit of research for some upcoming articles. Taco Charlton has to be high on any list. Also EJ Leavenberry, but I don’t think ND has much of a chance there.

5. First—how are his records still intact? Second, I will only be able to think about what might have been if there were a defense in ’09 (come on—Tate, Floyd and Rudolph? Seriously here…). Also, I will dwell on the fact that he was never given a fair shake in the NFL and should have returned in 2010 with Tate to play for BK…

I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle

by Jim Miesle on Feb 17, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

i could see that single season record

still being intact – it was something like 3800 yards over 12 games. that was pretty beastly

by 4pointshooter on Feb 17, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Single season passer rating might still be #1 by then too

I actually think Clausen’s #2 in a lot of the passing records to Quinn anyway.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 17, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

"I like to think about this alternate reality where I’m sitting under a palm tree, wearing shorts and flip flops with a hot Korean girl lying next to me as I proceed to not care about college football."

Change “Korean” to “Japanese” and this is called “Tuesday” in Hawaii.

I started at 221.6. I'm now 214.2. This will stay in my sig line until I am 190. Keep reminding me of this.
The Japanese History Podcast

by Kelly's Gyros on Feb 17, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

On reacting to a loss (2),

I find that it totally depends on how the loss happens, like Jim says. I got over the Michigan loss this year much faster than usual because the game was incredibly exciting, the Irish played great for almost the whole thing, I expected it to be a fight, the atmosphere was awesome, and the “loss” part really came down to the last 30 seconds. I couldn’t sleep at all after the USF loss, though – that was such a nightmare and so exhausting, and my heart just broke for the players and how they must have felt going through it.

On the stadium music, since you all have covered the rock and roll side, how about a little hip-hop with Fort Minor’s “Remember the Name” before kick-offs, or Flo Rida’s “Good Feeling” (a remix of Avici’s “Levels,” which was big in CFB late in the season)? And I would definitely want this on the jumbo-tron before every game (yes, the song is awesomely about NDFB): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKSG5gV0mHY

#figureitoutbobby

by fishoutofwater on Feb 17, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Thats so weird about Michigan.

I was physically ill after that game. I just effing hate dominating for three quarters then pissing away a win against an inferior team. Its only slightly better than getting blown out. But I stress—physically ill after UM.

by Mouth of the South on Feb 17, 2012 8:31 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yeah, I know that one was worse for a lot of people.

For me, though, I thoroughly enjoyed watching almost the whole game – yeah, we had 5 ridiculous TOs, but so did UM – and the moment of destruction was so fleeting, that I recovered quickly. USF, on the other hand, was just a 6-hour-long nightmare from the end of the first drive on. Just anguish.

#figureitoutbobby

by fishoutofwater on Feb 17, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you

I was in Knoxville watching Cincinnati-Tennessee and drunk off my a$$, and the feeling of watching that game slip (for the 2nd straight week), and the feeling of realizing that coworkers from Michigan we’re going to have bragging rights yet again, despite the fact that their team wasn’t that good, was absolutely killing me. It’s the night most of my non-ND friends realized how nuts I get watching ND football, as I was screaming at the TV in a bar. That loss still kills me, thinking about it now.

by NDZibby on Feb 18, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I still haven’t gotten over losing to Michigan this past year. Or losing to them in ‘09. Or ’10. I just can’t believe that during one of the worst 3-year runs in Michigan history, Notre Dame didn’t beat them once. And every single one of them came down to the final minute. This last loss was probably the worst, considering how thoroughly Notre Dame outplayed Michigan, and they got done in by some stupid turnovers (Wood and Rees just dropping the ball), some garbage completions (Denard’s patented toss-ups) and then a horrific blown coverage that allowed Michigan to get within range for the winning TD. Oh, and who could forget Michigan fumbling on the one, the ball bouncing right back to Denard and he runs it in. When Dayne Crist fumbles at the one, he somehow manages to bat it backwards so USC can return it for a TD.

I will always have fond memories of Jimmy Clausen. I would dare say that Notre Dame has never had a QB who could throw as accurately as him. It’s not his fault that the ’09 defense was garbage, or that his offensive tackles were never any good. Tommy Rees would have hit the bench long ago if he got the pass protection that Clausen did. I, for one, will never forget him coming off the bench with a painful toe injury and leading the winning drive against Purdue. Or his 5 TD performance against Stanford that somehow ended in a loss.

by frank_grimes on Feb 17, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Dont give that '09 offense too much credit.

They could rack up yards and stats, but they were awful in the red zone and committed a lot of penalties at the worst possible times. Was this Clausen’s fault, maybe in part. Also, when your QB has 28 TDs and 4 picks, and your future first roundish tight end is underutilized, I think maybe your QB can afford to take a few more chances. Kind of like in B-ball how you don’t want a shooter to finish with 80% on the night, because it probably means he didn’t shoot enough.

by Mouth of the South on Feb 17, 2012 8:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

If Jimmy Clausen had been born 4 years later..

and he’d been the QB last year, with the defense, running game, receivers, and in Brian Kelly’s spread, that could’ve been a national championship or BCS appearance

by tr1betime on Feb 19, 2012 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

Or just tried his hand at a pro baseball career...

and then decided to go back to school and play college football. Either/or…

I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle

by Jim Miesle on Feb 19, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

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