RB Amir Carlisle is Transferring to Notre Dame
by Jim Miesle on Jan 7, 2012 9:54 PM EST
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PrintJust in case you haven't been around the interwebs over the past 24-48 hours, there was quite a buzz around the program concerning a "special visitor" to campus over the weekend. It turns out that visitor was RB Amir Carlisle, who committed to USC last February over the Irish and Stanford.
And now he is transferring to Notre Dame and enrolling for the spring semester. The story broke Saturday afternoon, and an article from the South Bend Tribune can be found here.
Per NCAA transfer rules, Carlisle will have to sit out the 2012 season, but willhave three years of eligiblity remaining starting in 2013.
In 2011, Amir was limited by a few injuries, but still played in five games. His numbers for the season were 118 yds rushing on 19 carries (mostly against Colorado) and 7 rec for 41 yds and 1 TD.
Carlisle was a highly regarded recruit coming out of The King's Academy (Sunnyvale, CA) and was listed at 5'10"/181 lbs and had a 4.41 40 time.
Recruiting Service Rankings (from 2011):
ESPN - 4 Star (#12 CA, #17 RB), #114 Overall (81 Grade)
Rivals - 4 Star (#9 CA, #4 RB), #93 Overall (5.8 Grade)
Scout - 4 Star (#15 RB), #140 Overall
247Sports - 4 Star (#7 CA, #2 APB), #65 Overall (95 Grade)
More after the jump.
Highlights (High School):
'11 CA HB Amir Carlisle (via RedshirtScouting)
Impact:
Immediate Future:
Carlisle will sit out 2012 per NCAA transfer rules. This may be beneficial since there are some reports that he will require minor knee surgery and he will have to learn a new offense in South Bend.
He will likely have to put on another 10-15 pounds (to play somewhere around 200-205) in order to be more effective in pass protection, but this shouldn't impact his explosiveness.
Long-Term/Career:
Many Irish fans were disappointed that Notre Dame missed out on Carlisle last year. It appears that good things come to those who wait.
Carlisle will likely see plenty of action in 2013, since Theo Riddick will be out of eligibility and I think that Cierre Wood leaves for the NFL (even though he will have a year of eligibility remaining). He is a difference-maker at the RB position and is an excellent pass catcher coming out of the backfield.
He will likely play as part of a heavy rotation with George Atkinson III, William Mahone, KeiVarae Russell and Cam McDaniel. I think it is safe to say that a more up-tempo offense will be seen starting next fall, and the ability to rotate several backs into the game will pay huge dividends for the offense.
It should be a lot of fun to watch him for three years in South Bend.
Additional Thoughts:
There are a few interesting points that others have made about this transfer. The one that I find most interesting is that we have Jim Harbaugh to thank for this. Amir's father was the former strength and conditioning coach for the 49ers, but was not retained by Harbaugh when he took over. Carlisle's father then took a similar position at Purdue, which led to Amir wanting to be closer to his family.
I guess a thank you note should be sent to San Fancisco 49er front office is in order.
The second point I would like to make is this--Irish fans can expect a different look offensively in the fall. Once Chuck Martin took over as offensive coordinator, there was an immediate shift in recruiting priorities. Carlisle is probably a better fit for the offense that Martin (and Kelly) would like to run--some multiple back sets with versatile play-makers who can run, catch and cause match-up problems in space.
Welcome to Notre Dame Amir!
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RB is now a position of strength...
if Ty Isaac doesn’t commit next year, ND might just take a pass on the position for the class of 2013.
I think that you should always take on RB each year.
Running backs take such a pounding that one injury can really shake up your depth chart. That plus the fact that if you hit a home run and have a recruit that is a big time talent you might lose him after 3 years.
For instance Cierre Wood. Now I know that next year will actually be his fourth year on campus, but if has the kind of year next that he had this year (plus a few more carries and production since he probably won’t share carries quite as much with Gray) then I would never blame he for leaving. Backs have such a short shelf life that he was told he was a first day pick then I could understand him leaving.
I loved the fact that Teo and Eifert chose to come back but running back is a different situation in my opinion.
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 7, 2012 10:43 PM EST reply actions
I'm with Golden for the reasons he gave, but also because we don't yet have anyone on the order of a Julius Jones either on the roster or in the incoming class.
Maybe C-Dub, but he’s not quite that good yet.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 7, 2012 11:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
2013 will be tough sledding numbers-wise
The departing class is pretty short on numbers. Of the 15, I think most have 5th year options, but likely Eifert and Wood head to the NFL and the only candidates left would be Martin, Fox and Calabrese. I don’t think Tausch played at all in 2011, so he could be an additional one added to the group.
Regardless, the 2013 class looks like it might only be in the mid-teens in numbers.
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@jemiesle
Well I suppose
if the 2013 class has to have limited numbers then yeah, maybe we skip a year for RB. Overall I am simply opposed to not getting at least one a year, but it might be necessary under certain circumstances.
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 8, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Great Point
It is going to be tight next year. We will have 15 seniors on the roster next fall and 9 of them are eligible to apply for a 5th.
Not eligible to apply for a 5th
Riddick
Toma
Te’o
Motta
Cowart
Turk
Eligible to apply for a 5th
Wood
J Golic
Eifert
Watt
Z Martin
Stockton
Calabrese
Fox
Tausch
Concur on Wood & Eifert to the NFL
From there I think Watt, Martin, Calabrese and Fox would all be strong candidates for a 5th. That means a class size of about 15. Any natural attrition will open up a couple of additional spots. I’ll wait until after signing day to post version 1.0 of those numbers…
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Left Watt out...
it was a late night last night. He would be right there with Martin on 5th years…
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@jemiesle
don't you guys think that Z-Mart is likely to forego a fifth year in search of NFL riches?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 8, 2012 2:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Certainly possible
I’m a little surprised we didn’t hear any chatter about Z-Ma at least considering entering the draft.
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Agreed, at least one RB per year
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 8, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome, Amir
We wanted you last year, but are very happy you’ll be coming to South Bend!
Part of the story is Amir wanting to be close to home, but also Amir’s Dad commented on how professional the Irish coaching staff was and what an impression they had made. Just wish we had a theatre department for a major for him.
Checking out the Trojan websites show they will miss him but wish him well, even it is to a rival. I hate to say it but Kiffin/Haden could have restricted the universities he could play for, yet like Kelly has done they released him with the student’s best interests at heart.
Armond Armstead has graduated with a year left, which is a different situation. He can stay at USC, go to the NFL or transfer without restriction.
by Michael Collins on Jan 7, 2012 11:31 PM EST reply actions
I graduated in '03 and ND had a Film, Television, and Theater Department/Major in the College of Arts and Letters.
And they built that massive Philbin performing arts center. So whatupwitdat?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 7, 2012 11:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah they still have an FTT major at ND
I took several classes and acted during my time at Notre Dame. The program is good whether you’re going for the film/TV portion or the theater portion. A lot of opportunities there. It’s certainly not LA, Chicago, or New York. Graduated with a bunch of people who are doing theater in those cities now and one who is on a soap opera.
Jim
I agree that there will be a change in the emphasis of the run game, now that Chuck Martin is the OC. I think this is the reason ND is going after Devin Fuller(QB) so hard now. According to Christian at ISD they have assured him that they are serious about using him at QB, where as before they were recruiting him as an athlete(DB). It seems Martin wants his QBs to have running and escape abilities. We are going to see more zone read and more running plays from the slot rcvrs. This added dimension makes sense headed into next year, for our younger inexperienced QBs. It will take some of the pressure off them as they develope in the pass game. You will see more QB draw plays and the QBs will be told to tuck it and run, if there is room to do so…… Of course this doesn’t bode well for our most experienced QB.
Garnett is down to ND, Stanford, and um.
He wants to go pre-med and his host on his visit was Hendrix, a pre-med student. Hope the Voodoo Child did his best to convince him to become Irish.
Carlisle is a very good fit for ND's offense
He should be a much more productive in a spread offense where he can work in space and be a receiver. He is not the power back ND lacks, he is a slasher with a very good burst, similar to Riddick. In high school he was a big fish in a very small pond. The King’s Academy is a very small (Christian) school (only been playing football for maybe ten years) and plays in the lowest rated league, so the question was always just how good is he really. I think he showed enough at USC last year to calm the doubters.
Carlisle will be a good fit at ND off the field, too, as he is a high quality person. Nice kid, looks you in the eyes when you talk to him.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
So 3-4 spots left
I hadn’t included Russell in the numbers on that last post. So Russell, Shumate and Carlisle push us to 20 when you include Badger. *Technically Carlisle falls into the class with our current Freshmen but it is net gain of 20 regardless.
25 Freshmen (24 + Carlisle = 25)
19 Sophomores
15 Juniors
13 Seniors that are eligible to apply for a 5th year this spring
19 Current Commitments (Includes Chris Badger who is returning in Summer 12’)
91 TOTAL
That puts us 6 over the cap of 85 so of the 13 Seniors eligible to apply for a 5th year 6 are already gone.
I still think Cave, KLM and Slaughter are locks to come back.
I am now slightly less sure of Cwynar. Springmann could be ready for action and Day is inbound.
That means 3-4 more slots in this cycle.
Who do we get?
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
Here are the remaining players as I see it:
Most likely: Westerkamp, Wright, then I’d say Fuller
Possible but unlikely: Armsteads
Doubtful: Poole, Garnett, Agholor, Neal
The wild card are possible transfers and medical scholarships. If you have 2 of those and if Arik postpones his announcement until after Armond were to visit ND, I could see them being more likely.
I think Arik Armstead tweeted last night...
that he plans on making a decision this week. That means Auburn is off the board and it is Cal, UCLA, and ND (I believe). There is also another dead period this week, so most of the coaching staff was in SA for the USAAAB over the weekend to make a final pitch.
One other interesting piece is that they have suddenly started to push very hard for Kent Taylor, a TE currenlty commited to Florida. Everything there hinges on who they hire as an OC…
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@jemiesle
I would think that we also need to be formally announcing our new coaches ASAP.
Hopefully BK is close to nailing that down.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
Cal has brought in some top recruits the last couple of days
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 8, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah they really have.
Interesting as they have seemed to be relatively dead in the water these last few season. They are the beneficiaries of USC having limited schollies and UCLA being terrible.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
true that about the LA schools
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 8, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
This is a good thing.
(a) They’re recruits that we really had no realistic shot at, and (b) they’re not going to SC, though SC has very little room anyway.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 9, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
or Stanford
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 10, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but Kent hated his first visit to ND
I don’t think of him as a realistic option even if the staff really wants him.
The last reports were Arik was down to Oregon, Cal, and ND
with Cal leading and ND number 2. But yeah, we should know by the 15th I think because he still wants to enroll early and that’s also the deadline for Armond to decide if he wants to transfer somewhere or declare for the NFL draft.
Fuller is really a longshot...
not sure why people think he’s even a ND lean at this point. Davonte Neal is significantly more likely.
Sounds like the staff had a good visit with him at the AA game.
So who knows.
whiskey
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I thought he was a longshot
until reports surfaced about his meeting last night with the coaching staff. Sounds like a visit is extremely likely.
He only has one OV left...
and it is between ND and Arizona. I like the chances if he visits…
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
You'll know,
there’ll be an added emphasis to the run aspect of the spread, if we get Fuller. The staff was that interested in him as a pure passer. Throw his running ability and he becomes much more valuable.
he's said that ND was his team growing up.
Not sure how that’s possible considering when he grew up, but I’d he grew up an ND fan, you can’t count us out if we get him in campus.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 8, 2012 2:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Weez b gettin playmakaz
And I like that…
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 8, 2012 11:57 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Enough RBs
for you? (Keith Marshall transfers next year to us.)
by Michael Collins on Jan 8, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he'd flip to us after UGA lost to MSU
But he did not.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 8, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I always felt that he was really really long shot
especially after seeing a video interview with him just before his visit to ND. Now granted that was before the visit but in the interview he simply did not look or act very excited. It seemed like the visit was simply something he had committed to and really already knew that he wasn’t coming to ND.
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 8, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
With asuumed four scholarships left
(barring transfers), I am happy with:
WR – Westercamp
OL – Garnett
DB – Wright (OVs left – Rutgers on 20th, Georgia on 27th)
LB – Ekanem (OVs – Va Tech on 20th and ND on 27th)
Westercamp and Garnett are close to decisions. With Wright and Ekanem, we have to wait on visits.
We wait on QB and TE for next year. Targets – Matt Alviti and Adam Breneman with Ty Isaacs at RB. We only take 3 OL next year. With the 2012 class, the WR and DB positions are stocked. So we focus on 1-2 elites. We fill the rest of the class with LB and DL.
Not sure about Breneman at this point...
he tweeted that he really liked the hire at Penn State, and that is ND’s chief competition. It could be tough to pull him out of PA.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Ronald Darby...
is expected to reopen his commitment on Tuesday and will likely no longer be considering Notre Dame.
Yuri Wright has the Irish out in front and nearly committed this weekend. It’s ND vs. Rutgers with him looking into a visit with Cal, which is still up in the air at this point.
So there is an extra scholarship open…
He has decommitted
but is still considering ND. May not be feeling the love that the coaches have been giving to Wright, Poole, Shepard, and others. Or the coaches may have known this for a while. Or they’ll put the full court press on him and meet him at the bus stop tomorrow morning before school haha Isn’t recruiting crazy?!??!
Yes it is.
Says he is going to make his announcement on NSD. We will likely be full by then. Interesting. I hope we get Wright!
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
One site says he will still consider ND...
another says he won’t. De-commits rarely re-commit, but it’s been done before, including with this staff. I would bet on him not being Irish on NSD, though. It appears as though he does not want to be at ND, as he has continually been looking at new schools throughout the process (Auburn, Clemson, now FSU). It’s not like he is torn between ND and one other school. It’s ok, Notre Dame is not for everyone. Wright, Poole, and Rios are now more important targets for the staff. They will close well and make up for it.
The more I read and the more I think about it
I think the biggest thing this comes down to is his desire to run track. If you look at the schools he’s taking official visits to outside of ND, they’re top 25 track programs.
no but stop telling me we'll make up for it
we’re not and it just perpetuates the cycle of 8-5 seasons
One player doesn't do that ever...
don’t be ridiculous. Notre Dame can’t get everyone. You sound foolish right now. And 2 seasons of 8-5 doesn’t make it “perpetual” nor a “cycle”. Losing a quality recruit sucks, but one person can’t make or break Notre Dame football. Especially when there is still a month to close on other recruits.
i guess i agree...
because anyone with sense wouldn’t choose to be an ND fan either, yet here I am, constantly disappointed and always thinking its going to turn around.
I sincerely apologize, I just always forget the fact that ND is always going to be one step lower on the college football tier than the USCs the tOSUs the LSUs the UFs and the Alabamas. And I friggn hate that, and I hate having to tell myself every year that its going to get better.
Agree. But I don't like your lackadaisical attitude.
Cancel the season, of course. But we also need to begin plans to demolish the stadium as soon as possible, liquidate and sell off a athletic department assets, and ritually sacrifice and cannibalistically devour Brian Kelly and staff. I’m leaving you in charge of this, al.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 9, 2012 9:01 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Salt?
No, use Lemay’s plan to prevent a land invasion of Korea from the North—spread a belt of radioactive cobalt. It has an active life of 60-120 years. By that time there’ll be no football. We’ll be part of the People’s Republic of China, and with a little luck we’ll be blogging about the Party’s excellence and the dominance of the National Gynnastics team, which is comprised of loyal Partisan supermen who were not taken from their parents as babies and forced to become world-class gymnasts under penalty of death. We can then build one of those Olympic sports “schools” on the stadium’s former site.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 9, 2012 11:36 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Mouth...
you might be on your way to back-to-back internet titles. How very SEC of you to start this little streak…
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
How very Punic of you.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 9, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
let me raise a pointless protest against the transfer rules
If coaches can go coach, I don’t know why players can’t play.
by long time listener on Jan 9, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions
also, the lack of playoffs sucks
Speaking of things that will never change.
by long time listener on Jan 9, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Wait--now people are clamoring for a playoff?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 10, 2012 9:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Definitely could be revamped...
to more closly mirror what is allowed for the upperclassmen when sanctions set in…I don’t think that every player deserves a waiver, but there are definitely some cases. I also don’t like that players can skirt the rules by heading to JUCO for a year in between.
Also, the NCAA does allow some family hardship waivers for players to become immediately eligible.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
I don't see any reason why players shouldn't be free to go where they want
It shouldn’t happen in-season, but there’s no reason a guy should give up a year if he wants to switch schools.
by long time listener on Jan 9, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
True--it's a much bigger deal if a head coach goes to a rival, and there's no rule against that.
Little Nicky coaches at LSU one year, then the NFL one year, can’t hack it, then heads to LSU’s SEC West rival the next year. That’s BS.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 10, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Coaches are obviously big boys...and professionals
we need to do everything to protect the amateur student-athlete
/snark
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 10, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
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