Five Wide Fullbacks: Aggies to the SEC, USC as No. 1, No More Hammond, and More
Due to last week's bowl game we wisely decided to forgo another Five Wide Fullbacks in favor of therapeutic discussion about the Florida State loss.
That's over with and we're moving on with the second edition of 5WF, and this one is assuredly a special treat.
This week we'll talk about some bowl games, NBC replacing Tom Hammond, Texas A&M's first season in the SEC, Notre Dame's game at USC next year, and incoming freshman sensation Deontay Greenberry.
The five questions and answers after the jump.
Outside of the Champs Sports Bowl did any bowl game make you feel better about the 8-5 Irish? Did any of them make you feel worse?
Well, I'll deal with only Notre Dame's opponents this season because any other games are really stretching it with comparisons to how the Irish played.
Purdue win over Western Michigan-No Feeling
We started slow but eased to a victory over WMU a couple years ago, while Purdue barely won this game. As long as Notre Dame enjoys the current talent advantage and Hope is still the coach in West Lafayette, I'll feel good about this series. We rolled Purdue this year and them beating the Broncos meant nothing.
Toledo win over Air Force-No Feeling
Neither team can play defense and I expected AFA to lose anyway. It felt good to blow them out this year, but they were right up there with Maryland as teams on the 2011 schedule who greatly disappointed this year.
Mississippi State win over Wake Forest-Bad Feeling
Yes, the Bulldogs are in the SEC but they were not very good this year and they barely beat Wake, just like we did. I really wanted to see the Deacons finish strong this year and they limped to the end in terrible fashion.
Michigan State win over Georgia-Good Feeling
This one was big, but still people are trying to dismiss the win over Sparty this year. So we finished 8-5, but when was the last time Notre Dame beat a 11-win BCS team that was legitimately good?
Oklahoma State win over Stanford-Bad Feeling
This wasn't too bad, but it showed that you could really move the ball on Stanford out of the spread offense without a whole lot of playmakers besides one beastly receiver. Sadly, this game proved how much more work we have to do on offense.
Michigan win over Virginia Tech-Bad Feeling
There wasn't an outcome in this game that would have made me feel better about being 8-5 this season. If Michigan had lost, I would have lamented at how winnable that game in week two was and how far from elite the Wolverines still are. With a huge victory I would have just chalked it up to a great matchup against a severely overrated Virginia Tech team, although it would have been nice to have solidly controlled a game for three quarters like we did against another 11-win BCS team.
Sadly, the way in which Michigan won just reinforces to me (along with the past three years) that Notre Dame could have the advantage in every aspect of the game and still not beat the Wolverines. And that makes me feel worse about this past season and the future too.
If you could replace Tom Hammond with any play-by-play guy out there, who would it be & why?
My hate for Hammond has subsided a little bit over the past couple seasons (bless your heart Mike Mayock), but I think it's important to reiterate why Hammond is such a bad play-by-play announcer and that the level of disdain from the general population is based on more than your average unlikable booth man.
He's not a football guy
There's always been this feeling that Hammond is still learning about the game of football. He's robotic and doesn't have a feel for the game at all. Can you imagine Hammond in a room full of other football announcers? How awkward are all of the conversations he partakes in?
He's not a football guy because his main duties for NBC include thoroughbred racing, gymnastics, field & track, and figure skating. It's so embarrassing.
He's not good at his job
Duh.
This is all we really need to say to close the book on this partnership. Hammond butchers names, constantly get players mixed up, doesn't understand basic terminologies, and has always had terrible on-air chemistry with his color guy.
Worst of all, his level of excitement and ability to draw viewers in with words are about as bad as you can get in the business.
Hammond represents the Monk-era apathy towards football
Is it a coincidence that Notre Dame started sucking when Tom Hammond started calling the games on NBC full-time? I generally like where Jenkins and Swarbrick are taking the program, but Hammond is still one of the last vestiges left of that mid-1990's decision making that didn't care about football.
I mean, we have a horse racing-ice dancing expert as the voice of Notre Dame football on NBC. Why is this still okay?
He's creepy looking
This is television after all.
With all that said, I think it's an easy choice to pick Al Michaels. He combines the best attributes in a play-by-play announcer: He's experienced as almost anyone, yet he still remains hip. His awfully good at his job and keeps his broadcasts fresh every time he's on air.
The solution
I want him in the booth for ND games.
Texas A&M enters the SEC next season and will face the following schedule: Florida, Arkansas, at Ole Miss, LSU, at Auburn, at Mississippi State, at Alabama, vs. Missouri. Will the Aggies finish above .500 in conference play in 2012?
Texas A&M is a lot like Notre Dame in the sense that they continually under-perform in relation to their recruiting. And also in the fact that they were a dominant program when the Irish were last on the top of their game, but have since captured just one conference title since 1993.
Even during the up-spike in recruiting and general increase in relevance over the past few seasons, the Aggies managed to be just 22-17 and place no higher than fifth in the Big 12. Now they leave those calmer pastures for the volatile SEC.
Sumlin should do a good job in College Station and there's plenty of talent, but what are they supposed to do with this schedule?
Ole Miss is the only easy game, and even a team like fellow SEC-converts Missouri, the Aggies have lost four out of their last five to.
I'll say they struggle in year one with losses to a better Florida team, a still very dangerous Arkansas, LSU being LSU, a tough road game at Auburn, and a physical battle in Tuscaloosa. That's 3-5 and I honestly think anything better than that would be a big win for Kevin Sumlin.
What should the point spread be for the 2012 Notre Dame vs. USC game? Explain why you set it where you did.
This game is a long ways off, but right now I would set it at Notre Dame (+16) and I think even that is being a little generous to the Fighting Irish.
Here's the scary thing about USC: They played awfully well this year, yet they are still quite young at many positions. They lose left tackle Matt Kalil and defensive end Nick Perry to the NFL, but they return all but a couple starters and 32 of their top 44 players overall.
Of course Heisman favorite Matt Barkley will be back throwing to the nation's best receiving duo in Wood and Lee, while Curtis McNeal returns at running back along with a collection of young and talented runners. Defensively the entire secondary returns and the front seven should be pretty solid.
Add it all up and the Trojans are expected to be the No. 1 team in the country when the 2012 polls come out.
Deontary Greenberry has been lighting up the all-star practices and games and is expected to receive a 5-star from most recruiting services. I'm setting his freshman season stats at 48 receptions, 605 yards and 6 touchdowns. Does he meet any or all of these expectations?
I'm about to heap praise and unrealistic expectations upon Greenberry, so deal with it.
Deontay Greenberry will be the greatest receiver to ever play at Notre Dame.
Is that too bold?
Now I know what you're thinking, there's no way he'll be better than Michael Floyd or Golden Tate or any other receiver in school history. But I'm here to tell you that Greenberry may end up the best receiver statistically in school history (if he ends up staying all four years in South Bend).
Get ready Irish fans.
Sure Floyd was a 5-star prospect across the board and physically ready to play as a true freshman, but I think Greenberry is more explosive, a bigger playmaker in more areas of the field, and will have the benefit of being in Kelly's system where he should excel from day one.
This prediction is based on Greenberry starting all or most of his games as a freshman (I think he will) and having a competent quarterback to throw the ball to him (let's hope so).
We've seen some school records fall on the offensive side of the ball over the past 5 or 6 years, and it is likely once Kelly gets the right quarterback in place more will tumble.
Greenberry is the type of talent who could push past Floyd-type numbers and register in the Crabtree/Broyles/Blackmon range over the breadth of his career at Notre Dame.
So, I'll take the over on all those stats as Greenberry breaks freshman receiving records at Notre Dame in 2012.
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#1....I just wanted UM to loose just because they are UM and the Irish had them beat.
#2..Al Michales is awesome, definitly make the broadcasts 1000% better then Hammonds.
#3..A n M will be under .500
#4…this is hard if you are going by right now, I’m going to say ND +10 just because of the Irish defense.
#5…His stats are going to be determined by who QB’s and I think your numbers could be a little higher. I think this kid by the end of his career, if he stays 4 years and stays healthy, will challenge all of MF3’s records.
Bill's on the Greenberry bandwagon with me
Saddle up partner!
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by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 6, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
My thoughts...
1. Pass. I didn’t get to watch as many bowl games as I normally would have liked, so I will leave it there.
2. Michaels is a solid choice. As an alternative, I really like what Mayock and Nessler did on the NFL network Thursday night games. I don’t think he gets enough credit for being as solid as he is. Honorable Mention: Gus Johnson
3. I tend to agree—they will be lucky if they finish at .500. Then again, with Sherman gone, they could be a bit better. They had many teams on the ropes at halftime. Tannehill is gone, right? That will hurt…
4. 2012 is the year the sanctions will finally start to catch up with USC. One injury at a key position will really hurt, not to mention they are thin up front on both sides. I think they are a sexy pick early b/c of the way they finished in 2011. By the time the ND game rolls around in late Nov, they probably will have already lost 3 games…then again, their schedule doesn’t look that bad. I think an early line would be ND +7
5. Based on what he has done this year, I don’t see a reason why he doesn’t see the field a ton as a true freshman. How much depends on the finer things (route running, blocking). Looking at the numbers set individually:
Receptions: 48. I would take the over, since this is only 4 per game.
Yards: 605. I will take the over again. Probably ends up somewhere around 750.
TDs: 6. This will be a bit tougher, so I will take the under. I think he has some really explosive plays, but 6 tds is a lot to ask from a freshman. Hope I am wrong here.
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I've never watched the Thursday night games with Nessler-Mayock
Does Mayock still do them?
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by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 6, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
If Greenberry plays a lot they should be
I wonder if we’ll see some truly scary numbers from a wide receiver or two under Kelly. Floyd completely re-wrote the record book at ND, but he missed almost 10 games during his career and had the disadvantage of being less well-rounded with Weis, and then having bad QB play his last two years.
Still, 217 receptions, 3,686 yards and 37 TD’s is damn good.
There have been some absurd numbers out there in recent times:
Crabtree (2 years): 231 receptions, 3,147 yards, 41 TD’s (This doesn’t even seem possible).
Broyles (3.5 years): 349 receptions, 4,586, 45 TD’s
Blackmon (2 years): 252 receptions, 3,564 yards, 40 TD (amazing)
AJ Green posted this as a freshman: 56 receptions, 963 yards, 8 TD’s and Greenberry draws a lot of comparisons to him.
It’s still crazy that Tate put up 93 receptions, 1,496 yards and 15 TD’s in 2009. Put two seasons like that together and you’re right behind Floyd’s career numbers.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Id say its to much to start comparing him to those type of guys..
Those numbers are ridiculous, and Im not sure i can thrust those types of numbers onto any prospect. I do have high expectations for him though… I really think he can have a 1000 yard season by his Soph year based on the way he has performed from the camps to the games in the last year. His senior year stats are jaw dropping.
I'm not saying he'll have those types of numbers
But that’s where the bar has been raised for truly elite guys.
I would think many believe a receiver can’t do better than what Floyd has done, but I think someone like Greenberry could really take off after a year or two.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 6, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I really just want one thing from his freshman year
put up a kind of season that at least helps the offense (mostly the WR crew) get to a level where they succeed and can thrive without MF3. Its going to be a struggle, but right now the two most unproved guys (DGB and Daniels) are the guys I have the most faith in. TJ Jones hasnt done much, Toma is solid, but now a stud, riddick might be at RB, after that there is nothing. As of right now, Id have very little problem with DGB in the starting lineup in dublin. But there is an entire summer camp to go through.
Never really understood the hatred for Hammond...
not saying you, Eric (although maybe a little), but people are pretty personal with their attacks on him. I don’t get why people act like he killed their dog.
He’s not great, but I prefer a play-by-play guy that stays out of the way of the broadcast. So he doesn’t scream and yell when ND scores a touchdown. Who cares? I do plenty of that on my own. I don’t really need him to be the star of the show. I don’t really need that much excitement in his voice, and I sure as hell don’t want Gus Johnson screaming all over my broadcast. Every play-by-play guy gets names and numbers wrong. Hell, Mayock gets those wrong a lot. Musberger, Lundquist, Patrick; they mess things up all the time. It’s part of the job.
I don’t know why I defend Hammond, as I don’t think all that highly of him, but it is really overstated how “terrible” he is and I really can’t stand when people are personal with their criticisms of him. It’s uncalled for. That said, Nessler is about as good as they come. He would be perfect. Nessler and Mayock are great together on Thursday nights.
by alstein on Jan 6, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
People do get personal with their attacks on him
But besides that, he’s just not a good football announcer. If he’s not bad then the bar is set very, very, very low.
Of course every announcer messes up but it’s the particular way in which Hammond messes up that is infuriating.
First of all, his only football responsibility as far as I know, is Notre Dame. He should have our roster on lock down and know all the players by heart.
It’s one thing to think #82 has the ball instead of #87 and get their names wrong, but it’s an entire different thing to get the names wrong when you say a linebacker caught a pass—-an example of which Hammond has done before.
Even still, when you call the games for ND and see the same players over and over, there really shouldn’t be an excuse for getting their names wrong as often as he does. It’s not like he’s calling games all over the country.
Additionally, you can tell his understanding and passion for the game is very low. Honestly, this is probably his biggest downfall as far as I’m concerned.
I know a lot of people get upset when he doesn’t seem excited enough when Notre Dame scores, but I honestly think he’s all over the map with that stuff. It could be a tie game in the fourth and he’ll call a touchdown like nothing happened, and then suddenly scream with such fever on a score that puts ND up by 30.
As far as his understanding of the game, he uses the very basic terminologies and doesn’t mesh well with someone like Mayock who is very in-depth with his analysis. When someone like Mayock talks and makes a great point, Hammond never comes back with anything or can build off what he said. The chemistry isn’t good at all.
In a way, Mayock makes Hammond worse because before Haden would actively talk TO Hammond and involve him in the discussions and it seemed like there was good chemistry there, but most people knew it was just creepy and stupid.
“Nice tackle there by Cushing. Ya know Tom, we had the chance to meet him and he was a very big kid.”
“Yes, that’s right.”
All announcing duo’s do stuff like that, but it was incessant with Hammond and Haden. With Mayock thank god it’s much more football focused, but you can still tell Hammond has that brain-dead feeling to him when Mayock is talking about something very football specific.
Lastly, I think it’s also largely a perception with Hammond. If it wasn’t for Notre Dame, he wouldn’t be a football announcer. It’s not his specialty. How he ever ended up with the gig and lasted this long may remain a mystery forever.
Take a look around the rest of the sports world and you don’t see someone really not qualified or interested in their particular sport calling games for it.
Would the Yankees be okay with a horse race and track and field guy calling their games?
What about the Cowboys? Do they have a volleyball and tennis announcer calling their games?
Factor in that (for the vast majority of people) Hammond isn’t good at his job, and it should be easy to understand why people don’t like him and want someone else.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 6, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Eh I'm not that fired up about it to argue back...
just give me someone with a good voice who doesn’t yell and I could care less. Play-by-play man is least important in football by a mile to me. Only a couple that I really like (Nessler, Larrivee come to mind, that’s about it).
"I sure as hell don’t want Gus Johnson screaming all over my broadcast."
Gus Johnson is awesome and there is nothing you can do to convince me otherwise.
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by burger23 on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1. Is anyone else looking forward to Michigan being a preseason top-10, maybe top-5, and then crashing down to the earth? I can already see Michigan starting 1-3 and headlines like, “What’s Wrong with Michigan?” This team’s not that good, folks. They are still lacking defensively, and their offense generally consists of Denard pulling plays out of his ass. The outside factor, of course, is that their schedule is probably filled with MACrifices to start the season, so maybe it won’t be until the middle of Big Ten play that they fall to earth. But I’m positive it will happen. LaMarr Woodley, David Harris and Leon Hall are not walking through that door.
2. Al Michaels is the best play-by-play guy in the business, but I doubt he would do Notre Dame games. I like the suggestion of Brad Nessler, he’s good as well. I’m with the poster above, I’d rather the play-by-play guy stays out of the way more than anything. Nothing annoys me more than Brent Musberger accentuating a play that just isn’t that important. “and Tyler Eifert WITH THE FIRST DOWN.” Ugh, I get it, I watched the play.
3. Texas A&M is something of a joke to me, first because they hired Mike Sherman despite the fact he sucked as an NFL coach, and then they kept him on for several seasons. Man was I shocked when they failed to live up to their lofty preseason expectations. They now have a real college coach in Sumlin, so I expect they’ll be better. There’s no reason Texas A&M can’t be a consistently ranked program. They have a large talent base and play in a BCS conference. They just need the right coach to put it all together. Mike Sherman, and this is an understatement, was not the right coach.
4. Notre Dame and USC won’t play until the final game of the season. I have no idea where these two programs will be at that time. USC looks good now, but think again if you think I trust Lane Kiffin to get the most out of that team. I could definitely see them crashing and burning.
5. I refuse to get excited about incoming recruits. I was on here downplaying Aaron Lynch last summer, and yeah that looks foolish now but I really do need to see it from these kids before I annoint them. I can remember Sam Young being an all-everything recruit, but he had lead feet from day one.
True
Then they follow that up with Air Force and then UMass right before playing us. They should be able to recover from the Bama game by then and of course we’ll have to play MSU while they are feasting on the Minutemen.
Should be an interesting dynamic playing Sparty first next year.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
With any luck
Nick Saban will have his defense LITERALLY break Denard in half.
…And then Devin Gardner will beat with us with 0:03 left. /cries
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Point #1
YES. I have been saying this all year: Michigan is not a good team. They may be the luckiest football team in history, but their record is not reflective of their quality. They played 8 true home games. They missed the only great team in their conference (WI), lost to the only decent one (MSU), and took advantage of a thoroughly awful Big 10 this season. And on top of that, they had seemingly every questionable calls go their way (yeah, that part sounds about right for playing 8 games in the big house). Beyond Denard Robinson being the luckiest man on Earth (if he hit the casinos after the Sugar Bowl he would have bankrupted them in an hour), Michigan deserves zero credit.
And in terms of coaching, it was hilarious to watch them attempt to run the MANBALL offense with Denard under center until crunch time, when they finally seemed to realize that the only style of offense Robinson can run well is best described as “overcaffinated 14 year old playing xbox”
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Maybe it's just because they're both big guys
But Brady Hoke reminds me of Charlie Weis. Doesn’t it feel like his team totally overachieved, setting up unreasonable expectations for a roster that isn’t suited for it? Michigan is still a couple recruiting classes away from fielding a good defense. You know Tommy Rees, that QB we all hate right now? He absolutely shredded that Michigan defense. The only thing that kept Notre Dame under 50 was him and Wood dropping the ball, plus a couple INTs. Point being…I imagine expectations will be sky-high for Michigan next season, and their talent level isn’t up to it. Just like the 2006 Irish, who lacked players defensively but were a preseason #2.
Rumors going around that Hammond is no longer on the NBC broadcast
I hope somebody didn’t just read the title here and run with it.
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Lot of good stuff here.
Sorry, I didn’t get to it sooner. My office was a damn problem parade today. Anyway…
1. On the positive side. Michigan State for sure. Man we really handled them too. On the down side Michigan. The Sugar Bowl gave me serious flashbacks to our tilt with them. Denard throws a prayer off his back foot begging to be picked…..but no, it’s going for six. WTF!
2. I miss Ron Franklin. His Southern accent probably doesn’t quite fit in with ND Football but I always enjoyed him calling those late Saturday night SEC games before tWWL gave him the Axe. It would be interesting to see Mayock teamed up with him. Hat tip to the Mayock and Nessler combo though. They are good together. We hit the jackpot with Mayock though. I really like him a lot.
3. Ohhh TAMU. They truly have a serious complex about being looked upon as Texas’ little brother. It has driven them to make some relatively odd decisions over the years but joining the SEC might be the worst yet. I predict that this will all end badly for them. I almost hate to see Sumlin go there because he’s a solid coach. But man if that isn’t an uphill battle. They seem to think that being able to sell the SEC to Texas kids is going to magically open the recruiting floodgates and result in them becoming a powerhouse. Texas belongs to Texas. Always has, always will. Even when it doesn’t!
4. That’s tough. I’ll say ND +10. Then I think we take them due to Kiffin sleeping on EG.
5. Bold prediction E. I think he’s in the mix and a player but I think with Floyd out of the picture and Eifert still around that the starting receivers share the love a little bit in 12’. Who starts? Greenberry, Daniels & Toma? That could make for a nice lineup. I wish it was August. Enough with this offseason business!
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"Deontay Greenberry will be the greatest receiver to ever play at Notre Dame. Is that too bold?"
No, it is pretty much dead on. The kid is a beast.
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Deontay Greenberry named California Player of the Year
He became only the fourth Central Section representative to receive the award in its 121-year history. The others were Madera running back Kent Nance (1960), Clovis quarterback Daryle Lamonica (1958) and Fresno running back Jim Jurkovich (1938).
“To be honest, I had never heard of the award until now,” Greenberry said Friday night. “I guess it’s a big accomplishment when nobody from our section has got it in 50 years.”
A 6-foot-3, 190-pounder committed to Notre Dame, he set state single-season receiving records for yards (2,165) and touchdowns (33) as Washington went 14-0 while winning the section Division IV title and the state D-III bowl championship.
“If he was simply a good athlete racking up huge stats against inferior small-school competition, that’s one thing,” Cal-Hi editor Mark Tennis said. “But he’s one of the best receivers we’ve seen, perhaps better than Rod Perry of Santa Ana Mater Dei [the last WR/DB to be Mr. Football in 1996] and perhaps as good as Amani Toomer of Concord De La Salle [WR who was Mr. Football in 1991].”
Tennis said the award is based on “a combination of factors.” And, in Greenberry’s case, he also cited “eye-opening” statistics; leading his team to section and state championships; and the ability to compete on “elite, national levels” — i.e., in national combines and all-star games.
The award is the most prestigious in-state honor available in California prep football.
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His comments are so unintentionally funny.
I guess it’s pretty ballin’ to be the best player in the state.
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 7, 2012 7:01 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
especially a state the sze of CA
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 7, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
You know who I would like to see as a replacement for Hammond?
Dan Patrick. I forgot that he works for NBCSports now.
Also, how funny would it be if they moved Flutie to the booth? Mayock and Flutie – two BC alums – calling ND games? Hilarious.
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Two BC color guys in the booth
With no play-by-play guy?
Troll hard NBC.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 7, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I would take two BC guys over a USC guy...
after all, BC isn’t one of Notre Dame’s rivals. Or so some of their fans say…
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