Notre Dame Recruiting: Available Scholarships 58+13+17=88
by whiskey OFD on Jan 4, 2012 7:01 AM EST
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PrintNow that the season is officially behind us I just wanted to update our eligibility chart and take a quick look at how many scholarships are still available to round out the current recruiting class.
In the time that has passed since we last visited this topic in late November Dayne Crist has officially removed himself from consideration for a 5th year by transferring to Kansas and Offensive Tackle prospect Ronnie Stanley has committed to the Irish. That minus one, plus one scenario leaves the current 2012 scholarship commitment at 88 if all of the current seniors eligible to apply for a 5th year are granted one. That obviously isn't going to happen as scholarships are capped at 85.
So how many recruits can we take?
Before I go any further let me explain how I derive these numbers. Like many others I like to maintain my own eligibility chart. The current version can be found at the link below. I have removed all of the current seniors that are not eligible to apply for a 5th year.
2011 ND Roster Breakdown (3 Jan)
Details after the jump.
There is a key at the bottom of the chart that explains how to read it. In short, I keep the players in columns with their original signing class. A # after a player's name indicates that he will be eligible to apply for a 5th year of eligibility. Players in BOLD were 4-5 star recruits per rivals.com. Players in BLUE are those were in the 2 deep this fall or at least saw significant reps. Players in RED missed significant portions of the 2011 season due to injury.
So what do we know? Let's start with the current overall numbers per class.
24 Freshmen
19 Sophomores
15 Juniors
13 Seniors that are eligible to apply for a 5th year this spring
17 Current Commitments (Includes Chris Badger who is returning in Summer 12')
88 TOTAL
So as of today Coach Kelly is already beyond the point where scholarships are free due to the 85 limitation.
So if all 17 of these commits sign LOI's in February only 10 of the 13 current seniors that are eligible to apply for a 5th year will be able to. The other 3 will be done playing football at Notre Dame. The staff obviously plans on adding more players to this signing class so the number of players that don't get the opportunity to play that 5th year will continue to increase between now and February.
Also keep in mind that the maximum number of scholarships in a given year is capped at 25. Early enrollees can count towards the previous season but since we took 24 last year we can only do that with one early enrollee this year. So at an absolute maximum this class is capped at 26.
That will not be a factor for us in this cycle as it would eliminate all but one fifth year option and I don't see that happening. I see Braxton Cave, Kapron Lewis-Moore, Jamoris Slaughter and Sean Cwynar as definite locks to come back. The rest of the seniors eligible for a 5th year are susceptible to being denied a 5th year option in favor of a new recruit.
At this point I expect that the staff will take 3 to 6 more commitments in this class for a total class size between 20 and 23. That will allow for a minimum of 4 and a maximum of 7 current seniors to exercise their 5th year option.
For this iteration of the discussion I simply divided the potential 5th year candidates into three groups. This is obviously how I see this so feel free to disagree in the comments.
Locks to come back
1. C Braxton Cave
2. DE Kapron Lewis-Moore
3. S Jamoris Slaughter
4. NT Sean Cwynar
Pending additional commitments
5. C Mike Golic Jr.
6. OG Lane Clelland
7. WR John Goodman
8. DE Hafis Williams
9. FS Dan McCarthy
10. NT Brandon Newman
Definitely Gone
11. ILB Anthony McDonald
12. ILB David Posluszny
13. WR Deion Walker
Additional wildcards include Tyler Eifert's pending decision on entering the NFL Draft and any significant injury updates that would preclude a current player from returning to the field. I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe that we will have any such cases.
This is something that we will continue to keep a close eye on as we progress towards signing day.
What are your thoughts as of today?
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I would expect a couple transfers too...
I’ve heard Lo Wood is gone FWIW. Also, decommits are possible and maybe even inevitable. I’m very worried about Taylor Decker defecting.
First time I heard that one...
wouldn’t be surprised to lose one or two due to transfers/medical/etc.
Where did you hear about Wood?
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Mods on the IrishIllustrated site seem to believe it to be a done deal...
and he might not be the only one.
Wow that would be shocking
I haven’t heard anything about Wood or any others. I don’t think Mike Frank and crew are aware of any of those rumors that I’ve seen…
Interesting tidbit on Wood.
I haven’t seen that anywhere either. With the DB class the staff is putting together I suppose I could see it.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
You and he are on a first name basis?
Name dropping much?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 5, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, obviously -
actually i should have referred to him by his old Irish Eyes nickname – “the Godfather”
BACK TO BACK ZERO BLITZES WITH NO SAFETY HELP!! MAKE PLAYS!!
Yeah, show the Godfather the proper respect.
And never go against the family.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
A few other comments...
I see Day at DT, and Harrell is likely moving inside to OC long term.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
I like both of those things.
I’ve gone back and forth on Day but I hope he ends up fitting better at the NG mold.
Hadn’t heard that on Harrell but I like that a lot. Always wonder which inbound OL will slide over to the middle. Thanks for the tip!
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
Basically everyone from last year is moving inside...
with the exception of Prestwood. That gives you Nick Martin, Conor Hanratty and Matt Hegarty at OG. Harrell played OT in high school, but has been working with a coach on snapping and said he will play OC in college (and potentially OG—which is why I referred to him as the Swiss army knife OL).
Garnett is a guard at the college level if he ends up Irish. That would give two tackles (Decker and Stanley), one guard (Garnett) and a center (Harrell). Pretty good haul…
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Day is built like a fire hydrant.
If he gets up to 3 bills, I think he’ll make a good NG. I’m sure that won’t be a problem. He’ll probably be a good NG at 285. Pat Kuntz did a pretty decent job at an unathletic 280 with zero backup.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think Day is a nose-G too
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nice catch.
Daaaaamn! I think I must have erased everything that happened on December 29th from my memory.
I’m not going to make corrections within the post as the ripple is too big. I’ll fix it on the next iteration in a couple of weeks after we get a few more verbals and any defectors are brought to light.
Short version, 1 more 5th year is already gone.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
Cwynar can't come back because
Kelly has to make room for Miles and Agholororor.
What do you do?
Sky rockets in flight.
I would bring back Golic before Cwynar...
but that is just me. I like having the experienced depth at OC, and Golic can play any of the inside positions.
The problem with not bringing back Cwynar is you are expecting to get a lot of reps from a combination of Stockton (has he even played yet?), Springmann (red shirt) or Day (true freshman). Its possible one of the DEs could bulk up a bit more and move inside, but that leaves a lot of ??? on the interior of the DL.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Don't skip the question!!
Substitute Golic for Cwynar if you must.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 4, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Take the new guys.
You can’t turn away guys like that. We can get reps on the inside from Nix, Tuitt, Springdogg, maybe even Kaptain Krunch, not to mention the Freshmen. Take the chance. But take Cwynar over Golic fo sho.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Cwynar is a Junior...
Right? I remembered he was only a Junior and just checked the UND.com roster, and he’s listed that way. So he’s not really relevant to the discussion as a 5th year, he’s coming back regardless.
Am I missing something?
In a word, yes.
His first year was 2008, but he didn’t play at all so he has a year of eligibilty left.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC
Tuitt saw some reps at NT this year as well.
Either way, if the staff lets Cwynar go, I’d guess that means they expect either Stockton, Springann, Tuitt, or Day to be major contributors at NT next year.
Maybe Stockton is poised for a breakout year? He was a highly touted 4-star when he signed.
EEs
Of the 24 players we signed last cycle, 5 of them enrolled early, so there are technically only 19 kids in the 2011 class. That means we can take up to 6 EEs this cycle. We won’t get to that number, but we can certainly take more than 1; Sheldon Day is already enrolled, and Tee Shepard will be shortly as well.
I’d only count Cave, Slaughter, and KLM as mortal locks for a 5Y at this point. Cwynar is likely, but not 100% (read: the possibility of Armond Armstead transferring to ND to play with his brother Arik). None of the other possible 5Ys even have a prayer unless the staff completely strikes out between now and NSD.
Just because 5 enrolled early last year doesn't mean they don't count to last year's total, right?
They can count to the previous year’s total IF the previous year was under 25. So how many schollies did we give in ’10 is the question. And this is getting very confusing.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
"How many schollies did we give in '10?"
We signed 23, and lost 3 to attrition, leaving us with 20 in the 2010 class; so the 5 EEs from last cycle neatly brought us up to the 25 class max for 2010. That might have been a coincidence, but I doubt it.
I’m not expect on this subject, but my understanding is that EEs have to be counted against the previous year’s class. Thus, programs have a strong incentive to take as many EEs as possible every year, because it gives them more flexibility for class size/ EEs in future classes.
EEs may be counted against either class.
They may count against the previous year’s class if there is space for them to do so, or against the upcoming year’s class if not.
OK I looked it up.
I downloaded the NCAA Division I Manual dated 1 Aug 2011 from www.ncaapublications.com
15.02.3 Counter. A "counter" is an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.
15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. [FBS/FCS] An "initial counter" is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)
15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)
15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).
15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
*So my interpretation is that if you did not reach 25 in the previous cycle that EE’s automatically count towards that previous cycle until said previous cycle hits 25. Then they start counting towards the current cycle.
Ex: School A signed 23 players in Feb of 2010. In Feb of 2011 they sign 25 but 4 are EE’s. The first 2 EE’s count towards the previous year topping that class off at 25. The next 2 count towards the current cycle meaning that class now has 23.
What I can’t find is whether or not those EE’s are permanently part of those previous classes. I would have to assume that they are. That being the case we should probably start trying to do a better job of tracking that here. Not that I see us needing to take more than 25 again any time in the near future.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
Whisk3yjack
Good to hear from you.
Great point on the EE’s. The wrinkle is that the shool can count them towards the previous year if they need to but they don’t have to. Since we only took a total of 24 last year there wasn’t really any need to count the EE’s towards the previous year. I am sure at some point ND has to tell someone which class they are counting each individual EE towards but I haven’t ever seen that anywhere.
So I have been operating under the assumption that since the total class size was 24 there was no need to count any of last year’s EE’s towards the previous class.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
Cwynar
I just checked the UND website and Cwynar is listed as a JR. Why does everyone have him as a possible 5th yr.?
That's an error
He’s a senior. If you click on his page, you can see it lists 2010 as his junior year.
He entered ND in 2008, do the math
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
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