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Recruiting Notre Dame Quarterbacks--Past, Present, and Future

Let's just start with the present.

In case you didn't hear, Notre Dame missed out on a 5 star in-state quarterback recruit by the name of Gunner Kiel. While some fans were disappointed, most had already moved on by the time the news became official last week.

OFD's own Eric Murtaugh put pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard) with his thoughts here.

Personally, I wonder how much Kiel's decision hinged on Molnar's leaving to take the head coaching gig at UMass.


I don't want to spend too much time re-hashing Eric's points, but one thing I will add is this--based on the way Brian Kelly ran his offense at Cincinnati, Kiel was an excellent fit for the system. I don't want to steal too much thunder for the off-season line-up, but I think Burger will tackle the Four Vertical offense that led to back-to-back BCS appearances in the Queen City.


My objective here is to read some tea leaves and see where this team/offense/system is headed based on the type of quarterbacks being recruited by the Irish staff.

The past after the jump.

Star-divide

For the record, the last 5 star QB to be successfully recruited by the Irish was Dayne Crist in 2008. Say what you will about DC, but he was the whole package coming out of high school, and the ranking was well-deserved.

Crist's commitment to then-coach Charlie Weis was the high-water mark for recruiting the position in recent history in South Bend. He was the second straight 5 star QB brought to Notre Dame and looked to be the heir-apparent to the starting role once Jimmy Clausen's career was complete.

After landing the the one-two punch of Clausen and Crist, Weis took a pass in the 2009 class that was headlined by Matt Barkley. Some of the other QBs in this class included Russell Shepard, Aaron Murray, Tajh Boyd, and Garrett Gilbert.

The following year Weis had two QBs lined up before being fired (Hendrix and Rees). Again, CW missed out on some of the big names of the class, which included Jake Heaps (ironic, since Heaps is now headed to Kansas to play for Weis), Blake Bell, Devin Gardner, Connor Wood, and Nick Montana.

When Brian Kelly took over in late 2009 for the deposed Weis, he was able to hold on to Hendrix's commitment even with Florida putting on a full-court press late in the cycle. Additionally, many Notre Dame fans were wondering which type of QB Kelly really wanted--the Tony Pike pocket passer or the Zach Collaros dual-threat.

QB Tony Pike Highlights/Lowlights 2009 Cincinnati (via ProDraftParty)


Zach Collaros Mix (via mopper309)

The change in coaching staffs led to a change of path in recruiting due to the schematic difference between the Weis pro-style offense and the Kelly spread offense. No longer was the staff looking exclusively at the pure pocket passers, but suddenly they were entertaining the idea of bringing in the dual threat QBs. After missing on Bubba Starling (who chose professional baseball over Nebraska), the staff appeared to be passing (excuse the pun) on taking a QB in 2011 until they secured the commitment from Everett Golson.

At this time I am contractually obligated to mention that you, the reader, must never sleep on EG.

With Brian Kelly successfully pursuing a dual threat quarterback, the pendulum had offically swung in the opposite direction, which leads us into the future of recruiting the position.

Once fans got a taste of what the Irish offense could be with the Voodoo Child's second half audition against Stanford over Thanksgiving weekend, top QB Gunner Kiel became an afterthought to many Irish fans. A true running threat was required, and one name rose to the top--Devin Fuller (Old Tappan, NJ).

With the coaching staff changes announced on Monday, it is becoming clearer that the Irish will not continue to pursue the pro-style, drop back passers fans have become accustomed to in recent years. With Chuck Martin taking over the offensive coordinator reins, a more balanced (read: not pass-happy) read option spread will likely become more prevalent. Starting now, the Irish staff should begin to focus on dual-threat QBs to run the offense.

One important point to keep in mind is that not all dual-threat QBs are created the same. In my opinion, the ideal QB moving forward has mobility, accuracy and excellent decision-making skills. I can't overstate that last point.

This opens the door for Golson and Hendrix to fight it out for the starting role in 2012, and should make South Bend a more desirable option for Fuller. The offensive shift may also help bring in more play-makers at the RB position and smaller, faster WR options.

Simply put, look for the offense and recruting to shift to more of an Oregon-type offense.

Looking into the future for the 2013 recruting cylce, the Irish staffers have already made a good impression on one of the top dual-threat QBs in Matt Alviti (Park Ridge, IL).

I will leave you with one final thought: many will be concerned with the size/height of some of the recruiting targets in the near future. I submit one piece of evidence in the contrary: Drew Brees. I am pretty sure he just tore up the NFL while standing at only 6'0"/205. Something tells me that ND fans don't have a lot to worry about with a change in recruiting philosophy at the quarterback position.

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With Chuck Martin taking over the offensive coordinator reins, a more balanced (read: not pass-happy) read option spread will likely become more prevalent.

I hope so, but I’m still skeptical.

I would also champion the thought that we don’t need to worry about size as much as we do speed. I think this should be blatantly obvious after watching what a team like Oregon can do against a team like Wisconsin. Remember, we’re not running Wisconsin’s offense.

Alas, we will still hear the gripes about size. After all, some think Cierre Wood at 220 is too small.

We need speed, speed, speed!!

And also…

Do want, do want, DO WANT!!

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 3, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Don't sleep on EG

But definitely don’t nap on Devin Fuller

by Irishane on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Wide awake

And watching highlight films of both EG and DF.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 3, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Watching Tony Pike's highlights

I can’t help but notice that he was pretty mobile too. In fact, a TON of those plays he makes are because he is able to escape from the pocket and make things happen.

We all know that Collaros was the bona fide “dual threat” we all want, but the ability to make plays when things break down is invaluable in BK’s offense.

May God have mercy on my enemies, because I won't
-Patton

by Three and Eight-Elevenths Men on Jan 3, 2012 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

Good point

Traditionally, you think a QB has to be a good runner in order for the defense to get worried. I think just the threat of the run/scramble ability is just as important. Think Quinn in ‘05 or ’06 or Aaron Rodgers in the NFL. They weren’t necessarily a lot of designed runs, but the ability to extend the play and turn potential negative plays into positive yardage that really makes an offense click.

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by Jim Miesle on Jan 3, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Brady was a little more mobile than he ever got credit for.

He had the longest run from scrimmage in ’06—it was like a 60-yard scamper against SC. He also had that nice scramble for a TD to put us ahead against SC late in the ’05 game.

by Mouth of the South on Jan 3, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He's an impessive athlete.

He ran well and was tough to bring down.

by Mr Wednesday on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

What about the run vs. LSU in the Sugar Bowl?

That one was up there in yardage as well.

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by Jim Miesle on Jan 3, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The offense that was run in the Tony Pike video

doesn’t even come close to resembling what we’ve seen the last two years.

by burger23 on Jan 3, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

Give me all of your dual threats.

This is going to be a very interesting spring. First we round out this recruiting class then we get to dive into the spring QB derby. If nothing else it should be very interesting.

by whiskey OFD on Jan 3, 2012 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

Jim (or others), can you say a bit more about the correlation between the shift in offensive philosophy/recruiting

and the shift from Molnar to Martin at OC? I don’t know enough about the two of them to understand why the one leaving and the other stepping into that position would either influence or reflect the transition in offense that you are anticipating.

by fishoutofwater on Jan 3, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

My thoughts...

having not seen what GVSU did on film, I am purely going on what I have read to this point. I think Molnar preferred more of the pure passer at QB, where Martin wants the running threat/designed carries from the position.

Molnar was a pass-first kind of coach, while in Martin’s final year at GVSU, they were very balanced on offense (227 yds/game on the ground, 223 yds/game in the air). I don’t expect a wholesale change to the Rich Rod zone-read offense, but I do think you see the ground attack take its next step in the fall. This probably has as much to do with the coaching change as the turnovers (especially in the red zone).

I will leave it up to others to build on this for now…but that is at least a start

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by Jim Miesle on Jan 3, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent. Out of nowhere.

Can we get one of Chip Kelly jumping out of his pants next to the bizarrely in-bounds fumbled ball, screaming for Oregon to jump on it?

by fishoutofwater on Jan 3, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

HARUMPH SPEED!

This shall be our battle cry!

If BIG LOUIS NIX was a Mississippi Blues Man, he'd be Jellyroll T-Bone McPorkchop, ‘cuz he's all meat, with just a little bit of sweet.

Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.

Viva El Churro! El Churro lo ve todo!

by KrilDog on Jan 4, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

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