ND coaching changes...
by jkra0512 on Jan 2, 2012 10:36 AM EST
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Read this off the Twitterz.."Brian Kelly announces major coaching staff shakeup, Chuck Martin to offensive coordinator, Ed Warinner and Tim Hinton depart the program."
I know Warriner was a favorite around here, how will this affect ND in the foreseeable future?
Here's the link to the official release:
University of Notre Dame football defensive coordinator Bob Diaco has been named assistant head coach, Chuck Martin has been named offensive coordinator, Kerry Cooks has been promoted to co-defensive coordinator and Scott Booker has been promoted from offensive intern to a full-time assistant position as part of a series of staff announcements and changes made today by Irish head coach Brian Kelly.
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That's what happens when you have good assistants...
They kept their best recruiters (and signed Alford to an extension FWIW) which is good news and I’m pretty confident that Kelly has two guys in mind to replace those two. I think the world of Coach Warriner, and I hope it wasn’t a lateral move to OSU, but it’s not like they have proprietary knowledge that ND’s coaching staff can’t use. I think they will be just fine.
I also really like Coach Martin to OC. While he and Kelly have a longstanding relationship, he isn’t a yes man to Coach Kelly, and he has play calling experience in the same offense (and had more success with it at GVSU after taking over for Kelly). I wouldn’t worry about the defense to offense switch, this guy has experience doing it all.
Yeah, alstein...
I think coaching changes can be a mixed bag. But, I’m very confident in the staff that BK can put together, so I’m sure he has quality guys already lined up to take these vacancies.
Also, I’ve heard Martin is a very proficient offensive playcaller, and he’ll get first crack at maybe AH or EG under center, which will be fun to watch.
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
I was really hoping we'd hold onto Warriner for one more year
I hope he’s getting a promotion (i.e. OC somewhere) and it isn’t a lateral move, like alstein said. But I guess we all knew this day was coming. He’s not the type of guy to stay a position coach forever…
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Same
Warriner is the big potential loss IMO. I hope he gets promoted as well – but I think he may have taken a lateral move if his upward path was obviously closed off by being passed over for Martin as OC.
BACK TO BACK ZERO BLITZES WITH NO SAFETY HELP!! MAKE PLAYS!!
Anyone else think it's weird that ESPN, etc. aren't reporting where they went? I'm assuming Hinton went to tOSU, what about Warriner?
#teamGolson
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Notre Dame Fightin' Irish + Hawaii Warriors
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 2, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Both to Ohio State...
from what I have read
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Correction..
THE Ohio State University….c’mon Jim, you know those Buckeye fans hate when you don’t put “THE” in front of their inferior institution.
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
AN Ohio State University.
There’s several other Ohio state universities.
Who said it had to be just one?
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Nobody, just messin with ya, Jim
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
Yeah, what does "the" modify?
Is it adjective modifying university? An adverb modifying the adjectives “Ohio” and “State”? Either way, it’s dumb.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 2, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
No, we've decided they lost the "The"
When they lost to Purdue. Purdue owns the “The” until they lose.
/checks schedule
//sees Purdue week 2
///“THE Notre Dame….hmmm”
#teamGolson
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Notre Dame Fightin' Irish + Hawaii Warriors
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 2, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think they lost the "THE" when they fired Sweater Vest...
As for Ohio State University, I never understood why their idiot fans started the whole “THE” phenomenon. So stupid..
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
I get the "Good Assistants Move" On arguement
How do we get a Bud Foster to stay. Excellent DC, been at VT for 25 years (full disclosure, I am a nodding VT fan, most of the in laws went there. I hate UVA. Hell I even hate Thomas Jefferson for founding UVA)
Is it blatant homerism to think that ND is a good place to coach or is the environment really that tough that they want to move onto work with the smooth lake of calm that is the Urbz?
You see the long term coaches at state schools mostly. Are they that unique (those particular coaches) or is the monetary incentive to keep what you got rather than payout to fire them and hire the new star at a higher salary?
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
I'm with you.
Eff Thomas Effing Jefferson. What a hypocrite that bastard was. A slave-owning abolitionist? Come on, bro. Practice what you preach. And he was an unapologetic Francophile. Even I, a Part-French-American, have reservations about that. Although… this was right after France got us the sweet hookups for the Revolutionary War and before they handed their country to the Germans twice in a row. Stupid Maginot Line.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 2, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
History lesson
1. The French didn’t lose their country to the Germans in WW1
2. The Maginot Line did not exist in WW1
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 2, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
French lost part of their country in WW1
They went for the grab on Alsace-Lorraine and then got Schlieffen’d. Germans almost swung around to circle Paris but the right flank wasn’t strong enough. Germany still held a lot of French land for the trench warfare parts of WWI. That’s how Hitler’s stab-in-the-back myth came up.
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 2, 2012 4:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
But the point is ...
before they handed their country to the Germans twice in a row
While much of the fighting on the western front was indeed in northern France, the French did not lose their country like they did in 1940, right? That was my point.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 3, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was purposely oversimplifying for comedic effect.
You would have to suck all of the fun out of it with your “facts.”
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
History is my thing
I understand how some enjoy tweaking the French for comedic effect (they make an easy target), but they did an awesome job holding the line against the Germans in WW1. Yes, the Brits and eventually the US helped out, but the French did the heavy lifting.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
There's an awesome Churchill movie called Into The Storm.
There’s an unintentionally funny scene in which Churchill finds out that the French have gotten their asses kicked and that they refused to scuttle their battleships. He says something to the effect of “worthless French bastards.” Great scene.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
That was to prevent the Nazis from getting the French fleet
and combined with the Luftwaffe and the Italian fleet, British operations in the north Africa would have been stuffed.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I know, but the French refused to do it, right?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Basically, yes.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don't have time to fully respond, but...
As Inigo says, Ze Germans occupied some of France, and my point on the Maginot Line was that Ze Germans used the same plan twice and the French didn’t catch on. In fact, they did worse the second time around.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 2, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
another lesson
Yes, things went much worse for the French in WW2, because the Germans did not follow the same plan. In WW2 they feinted a repeat of WW1 (great right hook through the low countries) but sent Guderian and his armored divisions through the “unpassable” Ardennes threatening the rear of the main French forces. The French had to fall back hastily and never recovered from the unexpected panzer blitz.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 3, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Anyway, they basically went through the Netherlands both times, no?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
No
WWII they went through the Ardennes, a forest that was supposedly impossible to pass through. Which was, obviously, wrong.
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 4, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
No
They avoided the Netherlands in WW1, but did invade them in WW2. Poor Belgium got invaded both times despite trying to be neutral. Sucks to be a small neutral nation between two large and powerful rival nations.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
My B. I meant Belgium.
Who can tell them apart? I guess Netherlands = drugs and Belgium = waffles.
[to self] Stupid.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing is decided until we say it is.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Who’s with me?
by Michael Collins on Jan 4, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let them go, they're on a roll
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 4, 2012 7:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Come ON.
I went to UVa for grad school, and all my relatives went to Virginia Tech so they love to talk about VT to me – Bud Foster is still in Blacksburg, yes, but only partly due to loyalty. He interviews for HC jobs every year, but he’s a horrible interviewer so no one ever hires him. Don’t think he wouldn’t leave for a decent mid major coaching gig.
Warriner was a surprise today
but not altogether unexpected. He’s a very good coach and I’m sure when news came that Martin was going to be the OC, that impacted him. I’m sure if he’s not being named OC at Ohio State that he will be working his way up those ranks.
As recruiters both he and Hinton don’t look like they’ve secured many of our recruits. From looking at Rivals page it’s Mahone (who said he’s solid), Decker (one to worry about with both departing – we’ll have to see), and Stanley (who is also solid). They weren’t head recruiters for any others that are still on our board. So that’s one good thing.
Hopefully Kelly hires new staff soon – I’m most interested in who the O-line coach will be like I’m sure many of you are. One thing’s for sure – he’s been doing this for over 20 years, I’m sure this isn’t the first time he’s had to make changes.
First gut-feeling is that this is not good
Warriner: Did not want him leaving so soon, but it is kind of expected. Still, I loved what he was doing with the line and I liked him on the field during gameday. Worried about who replaces him at the ever-important O-line coaching spot.
Hinton-Not very upset about him leaving, but I did like him as a personality and he did some great things with the backs this year especially.
Of course you can never really predict how these shakeups will end up affecting the program, but I’m not excited about losing our OC, O-line coach, and RB coach.
Diaco-Good for him adding the assistant head coach tag. I think he deserves it after the past two years.
Martin-A little hesitant about him switching sides of the ball, but I like his experience there and with Kelly. I never really liked Molnar so hopefully this is a big upgrade. I hope he can do more work with the QB’s too.
Cooks-Seems like a kind of undeserved promotion given he coached the two most underwhelming units on defense. Kelly must really like him.
I hope this works out.
Sky rockets in flight.
I think it's a little overrated...
the impact that position coaches have on their position groups. I know that might be counter-intuitive, but really it’s more of a top-down commitment to bringing in the talent that fits the system and then infusing those players with fitness and fundamentals. Don’t get me wrong, some coaches are better than others at communicating and motivating their position groups, but the coaching staff decides together what everyone is doing and when they are doing it. The position coaches are stewards of the message. You obviously don’t want to lose consistency, so losing 3 coaches on one side of the ball sucks, but it’s nothing this coaching staff and these players can’t overcome.
With all that said, I think Kerry Cooks deserves the promotion. He has a lot of experience coaching the defensive side of the ball and is a recruiter that ND can’t afford to lose at this point. For all the attention Alford gets, Cooks is right behind him in terms of importance to recruiting. I really don’t think he should be penalized or thought any less of because Gary Gray couldn’t turn around. If something is wrong with the DB coaching, then I just don’t think it’s hung on Coach Cooks, it’s just something for the entire staff to re-evaluate how to do differently.
Successful dissent?!
Where’s Meager Reader?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 2, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There he is!
Glad to see you, big fella.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 5, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Hinton will be recruiting coordinator at OSU
Interesting, considering he wasn’t very involved in recruiting at ND as far I can tell.
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Might we be pleased that Martin's move means we'll be getting a new coach for the DBs?
The DBs hardly flourished this year (or last), so maybe someone new coaching them will fix something that’s needed fixing. Alternatively, if the defensive backfield was on the verge of hitting its stride, inconsistency in coaching could compound the loss of Smith, Blanton, and Gray.
Much of the inconsistency was due to experienced depth
Just look at the 4th quarters vs. Michigan and FSU. Things will be a lot better in the fall with regards to depth.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
You mean a lack of experienced depth, I think?
I don’t recall anybody but our top guys out there through the 4th quarters against UM and FSU. You’re saying that having more experienced depth would keep everybody fresh – that Gray, Blanton, Smith, Motta, etc. gave up those big plays because they were worn out?
(Sorry – this is a response to JM above.)
by fishoutofwater on Jan 2, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
You got it...
sorry for the mistake. Yes, lack of inexperienced depth led to many issues with the secondary late in games.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
You screwed the pooch again, Jim:
“Lack of inexperienced depth”???
Your sentence? Make this your avatar for 10 minutes:
by Mouth of the South on Jan 2, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sentence accepted...
it was a rough day yesterday. What can I say? The new year has not been kind to me so far…
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Will love to see
how the Buckeyes promote adding two assistant coaches from a team they traditionally dismiss as non-competitive.
However, Urban has always poached from ND, e.g. Steve Addazio and Charlie Strong. Seems like Columbus has a distinctive Irish bent now. But then Gene Smith is the AD.
A special thanks to the NCAA who allowed Ohio State two coaching staffs so that Urban could work on his staff and recruiting without the distractions of a bowl game.
by Michael Collins on Jan 2, 2012 10:42 PM EST reply actions
Urban Meyer is a snake
Hinton said two weeks ago: "I’m coaching at Notre Dame. That’s where we are and the bottom line is that I’m going to coach at Notre Dame as long as I can. I love Notre Dame. I’ve got one thing to do: I’m going to coach Cierre Wood, I’m going to coach Theo Riddick, and I’m going to coach George and Cam… That’s the bottom line. We’re coaching the heck out of it. Do I want to be at Notre Dame? Absolutely. This is a great place."
Sounds like an Urban type of guy to me. Think they’ll go after Taylor Decker? Think that Warinner won’t try to turn him for Urban. Meyer was told no by him once. A sleezy program sinks lower.
Yeah, a little worried about Decker.
I suppose that’s my own fault for paying attention to recruiting prior to NSD!
whiskey
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I just listened to the replay of PH at ISD and Coach D is at the
Under Armour game and talked with some of the players that are committed to ND. He said Decker is one he is worried about . He said Decker was upset that he lost his recruiter and postion coach and offensive coordinator. Another player that is from Ohio that was upset was Mahone but Coach D feels he is still solid to ND.
KeiVarae Russell had an interview on IrishIlustrated and said he was dissapointed in Hinton leaving but he is still committed to ND and doesnt think he will look around….key word..think.
Shaq Thompson on IrishEyes had an interview and is very pissed off at USC the way fans were tweeting so he has dropped them and added ND back into his final 3, with Cali and Washington
There is a lesson in there for all of us...
with regard to the Shaq Thompson comment. He probably doesn’t leave the west coast, but his comments speak volumes.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Yeah.
One more reason that fans shouldn’t be interacting with recruits on Facebook, Twitter etc. Not to mention the whole potential violation thing…
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
We should definitely put up a post addressed to all ND fans everywhere entitled "DO NOT FOR ANY REASON EVER CONTACT A RECRUIT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM THIS INCLUDES TWITTER, FACEBOOK, TEXTING, SEXTING, AND ANYTHING ELSE YOUR TWISTED MIND CAN THINK OF."
by Mouth of the South on Jan 3, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
This public service announcement has been brought to you by OFD
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Mouth can I get a RT
I’m your biggest fan, go Irish!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 3, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Re-tweet
You don’t have an account, but step up your Twitter game!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 4, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
Hell yeah, RT that stuff. Fools need to recognize.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
how do I RT this comment by MotS?
Can I get some help by you twittees? Is that what they’re called?
Exactly my point
Who is most impacted are the recruits who looked forward to playing under a position coach, their recruiter and the running game coordinator. Yet somehow Warinner, for instance, has to tell Decker that he should change his choice in universities, because the opportunity seemed better Warinner. He must tell the Decker family that all he had been telling Taylor about his unique opportunity ND provided was a lie.
To me that’s akin to Kiffin trying to recruit the UT players to USC when he left. The coach comes across as a smooth talker who is self-interested.
In the long run, though, Urban undercuts ND’s Ohio recruiting, for which Hinton was responsible. Warinner gets a lateral move to OL coach for the Buckeyes.
by Michael Collins on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Decker
Met him while he was visiting. He was with some people I know. Told me he loved ND and that the Saint Mary’s girls are great. Also loved the Five Guys on Eddy St. Not too worried about him.
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 4, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not one to worry about recruits...
but I’m worried about Decker. Chuck Martin needs to out-recruit Ed Warriner.
Does Ohio State have a Five Guys????
HELP!!! I’m PANICKING!!!! hehe
Who knows, but Columbus is supposed to be a cool town.
If I were you, I’d panic.
/kidding, relax.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
For the record now that I'm much older and wiser
I would never go to a school that didn’t have an In N Out Burger within 15 minutes
/kidding about the panicking
//I really want a burger and fries
Five Guys is better
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't Five Guys basically a fried hamburger?
In N Out is good, and I may be totally wrong, but I perceive it as more healthy, thus I will side with In N Out.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I was just going with taste since healthy hamburger is an oxymoron.
In N Out is a decent burger, but IMO Five Guys is better. The recent arrival of a few Five Guys restaurants around here has ignited quite the debate.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
No, Five Guys is not fried.
Their patties are cooked on a cook-top.
It is, however, a giant, delicious grease ball
And comes with more fries than the average human should be able, or allowed, to consume.
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definitely right about the fries
beat In N Out in quality and quantity
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
On the fries--Burger is right.
They give you more fries than a business should be allowed to serve a human being. There’s just no need, good though they may be.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but a burger, fries, and a drink is like $10 bucks.
I’ll take In N Out for quality and value.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
quality and value?
In N Out is a pretty good burger. The Five Guys burger is better but it does cost more, so I guess it depends on how you define value. I would rather pay a bit more for a better burger (and better fries for that matter?.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 4, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
To each his own.
I would rather not pay $10 for a burger unless I’m eating at a nice sit down place, you know, with a table cloth and some ambiance. Think Port of Call.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I like both.
But I’m a sucker for a fantastic greaseball burger. As a SoCal resident I frequent In N’ Out often. But 5 Guys are starting to pop up around here now. I’ll hit that every once in a while for a change of pace. When I was on the East Coast a couple of years ago that was my In N’ Out substitute. All good. Literally.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
absolutely
junk food variety is what makes this country great
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 5, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
I skip the fries and eat the free peanuts.
A single-patty burger and drink runs me ca. $7-$8. It’s reasonable.
not even in the same league as In N Out or Five Guys
low minor league burger
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 5, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
not making a comparison
just listing a popular burger
by Meager Reader on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
But one that does not belong in the same category as In N Out and Five Guys
sort of like jumping into a discussion about good beers and suggesting Bud
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 6, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Comparing Jack in the Box to In N Out or Five Guys is not like comparing Bud to Guiness.
JITB, INO, and FG’s are all fast food.
A Guiness or microbrew to Bud comparison would be if you were to compare a good burger that you get at a proper burger place, restaurant or neighborhood bar—say a burger from Port of Call in New Orleans—to a JITB.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 6, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree
there are levels of fast food and places like JITB occuply the lowest level whereas In N Out and Five Guys occupy a much higher level.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 7, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone likes Wendy's though, right?
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 7, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
With its finger lickin good chili?
pass
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 7, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don't go to a fast food joint to get chili
So I don’t know if it’s bad or good.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 7, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
guess you forgot or never heard about
the infamous case of the woman who found a finger in her Wendy’s chili five or six years ago.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 7, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well I guess you didn't hear about
The human arm in the french fries at Five Guys.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 7, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
It's okay if you never heard the story about the finger in the chilli at Wendy's
you don’t need to get defensive.
FYI, the woman convicted of putting the finger in the chili is now out, having served her time. She supposedly is banned from any Wendy’s anywhere … go figure.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 8, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
$1 Jr Bacon with Cheese?
Hells Yeah!!!
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 7, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I get Wendy's chili.
It’s the healthiest thing on the menu and it tastes good. It’s never made me sick, so what the hell. Whatever doesn’t kill me makes me stronger.
And yes, Murtaugh, everyone loves Wendy’s. I graduated with Dave Thomas’s grandson, so Wendy’s is down with ND and vice versa.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 9, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Dear God. Okay, JITB is Natty, and Five guys is Bud Select.
Still not that big of a difference.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 9, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
"Doesn't even belong in the same category"?
WTF? I said I WASN’T MAKING A COMPARISON! “Oh, well, don’t even include that burger in our conversation.”
by Meager Reader on Jan 10, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Your comment is objectively and categorically wrong, Meager Reader.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
But seriously, Jack in the Box??? That earns one patented Mouth of the South “you nasty.”
by Mouth of the South on Jan 5, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Any fast food joint that sells both burgers and tacos is instantly categorized as awful.
In this case you have a Jack of all trades and a master of none.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
That's a knee-jerk reaction.
What about those combo Pizza Hut/Taco Bells or the KFC/Long John Silvers? Don’t knock versatility.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Pizza Hut/Taco Bells are the best
Why yes, I would like some breadsticks with my Crunchwrap Supreme.
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by burger23 on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
On a cook top with grease squirted onto it?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 4, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Moi?
Surely you jest, MC. Surely.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 5, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I am serious and don't call me Shirley.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 5, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure that was implied since I spelled it that way.
by Meager Reader on Jan 5, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I know. I was continuing the bit.
I’m confused.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 5, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
The bit was implied.
Because I spelled “Shirley.” Everyone knows that joke.
by Meager Reader on Jan 10, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
What joke?
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
I don't remember seeing grease squirted on it.
You can usually see their cooking area from the customer waiting area.
Defensive Back Coach
I hope Kelly quickly hires a highly regarded and proven college defensive back coach. One that will make incoming recruits feel comfortable!
I personally would like to see
Kelly bring in a Special Teams Coordinator and a solid o-line coach with the two hires. It will be interesting to see how things play out.
I think
Martin moving to OC will free up Kelly to be more hands on with position groups that he is not happy with. Under Holtz when a unit struggled, Lou would start over-seeing that goup personally. Even if it was just seeing the HC in your face more, this always seemed to help. Kelly’s faith in Martin, may allow him to take this appoach more often.
I like the sound of that
I’m having a hard time imagining Kelly anywhere other than with the QB’s this spring. We shall see…
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 4, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
Word that Cooks will be coaching the entire secondary
my guess is Booker will take the WRs (and has been working a lot with them the past couple years), they bring in an O-line coach instead of moving Denbrock over. Then the other opening would probably go to a Special Teams coordinator with Elston working with D-line exclusively. Could see the additional coach possibly working on LBs also, freeing Diaco up for the bigger picture.
Taylor Decker...
remains solid to ND after Chuck Martin visited him yesterday. He still would like to know who the OL coach will be, but you can’t blame him there. He was the only commit who had yet to reaffirm that he is still solid to ND after the coaching changes were announced, so it’s comforting that the coaches leaving did not impact this year’s recruiting.
Another rumor circulating is that ND is gunning for OK St OL coach Joe Wickline. There is no more qualified candidate than he. Pulling him away from T Boone Pickens’ wallet for a lateral job is no easy feat though.
Is this based on anything more than ISD's Coach D saying that he would want to see us hire Wickline?
Not trying to bust your chops, just wonderin.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 5, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Just a rumor circulating around OSU boards...
nothing more than a rumor, no sourced info here.
Wickline...
this has a ton to do with Gundy’s salary demands that probably won’t be met by the university.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
My point was--are there any credible reports or even credible rumors, if there is such a thing, that we have talked or intend to talk to Wickline?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
No but it makes sense...
Kelly talked to him about the job originally before he hired Warriner.
Well there's something upon which to inductively reason that we are correct about Wickline being a candidate.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Inductive Reason
Yes, I know, that’s the joke.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 6, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
A couple of names heard for the OL coaching position...
a confirmed interview with Harry Hiestand, who is currently with Tennessee and likely looking to get the hell out of there. He has a good amount of experience including at Illinois, Missouri, and Cincinnati in the college ranks and 6 years with the Bears, including their run to the Super Bowl in 2006. Not sure about the “fit” for this offense (I’ll defer to Coach Kelly on that), but his resume is really good.
Pat Ruel, with 38 years of experience, most notably with USC and the Seahawks under Carroll, is another “name to watch”. He was named by Rivals in 2008 as one of the top 25 recruiters in the country, but was fired by Kiffin for some reason.
Source?
Haha. I’m always busting your chops on sources.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 11, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
A couple...
@footballscoop on twitter reported that talks are heating up, and they are an unofficial go-to for coaching hires and fires. Pete Sampson at Irish Illustrated has a source at Tennessee saying Hiestand is back in Knoxville packing up his office and leaving the program today (he was apparently on a recruiting trip). I’m guessing if true, we will know today or tomorrow officially.
If so, I'm not sure how I feel about this
Though I’m trending toward the negative.
I don’t think you can make many conclusions based on this year in Tennessee… they had something like 3 starts between all 5 O-linemen before this year – yikes!
He did an excellent job when he was at Illinois and coached 7 guys up into being NFL starting O-linemen. The Bears line when he was there was pretty decent at pass protection but their rushing stats were terrible.
Biggest of all are the rumors that he’s a bad recruiter. Tennessee has 0 O-linemen committed to the current class (not that you can necessarily draw much from that) and I can’t find a list of players he’s recruiting like you can for our current staff. Coaching is a bigger concern but we should be able to find someone who can do both at least above average. May have a negative effect on Taylor Decker… will have to see if we do hire him.
Though this is very interesting
About 1 month ago Heistand interviewed to be O-line coach at Ohio State under Meyer…
I don't share your views...
extensive experience in multiple conferences/leagues in multiple offensive systems. Incredibly enthusiastic guy with a loud booming voice and a tough run first mentality, which Coach Kelly wants. If he didn’t fit into the recruiting plan, then I doubt Kelly would bring him onto the staff, but he obviously has a lot of roots in the Midwest. It’s not like he is tasked with recruiting offensive linemen; he will be given a region and I would imagine that’s where he will be based. It’s all about fit.
I don’t think you can extrapolate too much from the rushing stats of any of his teams and discern much about his coaching ability. There are simply too many other factors. I’ve brought it up before, but in the example of Coach Cooks, I don’t think anyone should rag on him because Gary Gray underachieved this year under his watch. It’s more about how well the staff as a whole prepares and works together and what performance they can get out of their side of the ball. Micro-analyzing each position coach for their position group’s performance, I think, misses the point and doesn’t accurately reflect how the coaching staff works.
Rant about assistants nearly complete, I think that a guy with this much experience in as many situations as he has been in being hired by a guy with plenty of head coaching experience of his own looking for very specific qualities of what he wants and doesn’t (i.e.: whatever Warriner did to piss him off) want with each new coach, I’m not sure what there is to be negative about here.
It looks like Warinner is getting co-OC duties at tOSU
as well as working with the o-line. Hinton is coaching full backs (ooh…harumph) and tight ends. So not a lateral move for Warinner, in fact. He was looking to move up and found a way to do it when Martin was moved up to OC at ND.
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