QB Gunner Kiel is Irish!
by Jim Miesle on Jan 17, 2012 1:09 PM EST
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Some things are better late than never, and now it is official.
In one of the stragest recruiting sagas in recent memory, Brian Kelly received his 17th verbal commitment today from QB Gunner Kiel (Columbus, IN - Columbus East). Kiel is one of the most highly touted recruits in the 2012 class and is basically the consensus #1 QB out there (with the exception of the boys over at tWWL).
As many of you already know, Kiel is the nephew of former Notre Dame QB Blair Kiel. He measures 6'3" and somewhere between 200 and 220 lbs (lots of variations on the sites). He also has a reported 4.65 sec 40 yard dash time.
Kiel chose the Irish over after de-committing from Indiana in October, choosing LSU in December and de-committing over the weekend. He will enroll in January and participate in spring practice. He played in the US Army All-American bowl and took part in the Elite 11 QB camp over the summer.
Stats:
2009: Passing 68%, 2200 yards, 25 TDs; Rushing 400 yards, 5 TDs.
2010: Passing 67%, 2645 yards, 36 TDs, 6 INT; Rushing 238 yards, 7 TDs.
2011: Passing 53%, 2517 yards, 28 TDs, 4 INT; Rushing 109 carries, 482 yards, 12 TDs
Recruiting Service Rankings:
ESPN - 4 Star (#2 QB, #1 in IN), #20 Overall (Grade 83) - ESPNU Top 150
Rivals - 5 Star (#1 QB, #1 in IN), #18 Overall (Grade 6.1) - Rivals 100
Scout - 5 Star (#1 QB, #1 in IN), #38 Overall
247Sports - 5 Star (#1 Pro QB, #1 IN), #24 Overall (Grade 98) - Top 247
MaxPreps - 5 Star (#1 QB, #1 IN), #2 Overall
Highlights after the jump.
Now what you all have been waiting for, some highlight clips:
'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (via RedshirtScouting)
Impact:
Immediate Future:
Kiel will enter a crowded depth chart at QB, presumably behind 2011 starter Tommy Rees and the Goldrix chimera generated in the laboratory during the offseason.
As an early enrollee, he has the benefit of spring practice to become immersed in the offense and learn the playbook. He has an outside chance of competing for the job as a freshman, but not likely to win the starting job for the season opener vs. Navy in Dublin.
Kiel likely sits a year and retains the eligibility unless he is just too impressive in camp to keep on the sidelines.
Long Term/Career:
I think Kiel is about as good a fit for Brian Kelly's offense as anyone out there. While not necessarily a dual-threat QB, he has the arm strength to stretch the field vertically as well as horizontally and is athletic enough to keep a defense honest as a running threat.
Don't expect him to run a lot of zone-read option plays, but the threat is there and will have to be accounted for. When comparisons come to mind, I think he reminds me a bit of Brady Quinn (but with better touch/accuracy) and should end up being a two or three year starter in South Bend.
Welcome to Notre Dame Gunner!
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One of my favorite gif's
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Allow myself to quote myself
That being said, the decision seems impulsive, like a kid in a candy store going from one jar of jelly beans to another. IU, ND, Vandy, LSU….I would not be surprised to see him change one more time.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The QB race this offseason is going to be wild.
And hotly debated….
whiskey
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by whiskey OFD on Jan 17, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nah, we'll barely talk about it
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
....
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My totally premature preseason QB race rankings
1. No Sleep ’Till EG
2. The Experience
3. Gunner
4. Rees
If BIG LOUIS NIX was a Mississippi Blues Man, he'd be Jellyroll T-Bone McPorkchop, ‘cuz he's all meat, with just a little bit of sweet.
Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.
Viva El Churro! El Churro lo ve todo!
I think that would be the polled consensus here at OFD
Am I wrong, folks?
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I would turn 1 & 2 into 1a & 1b, with Hendrix as 1a
The Voodoo Chile’s play against a real live Stanford defense gets more points than EG’s play in the rainy Blue & Gold game last Spring.
To balance that, EG’s experience with the passing aspects of the offense draw him closer.
Lastly, if EG is still built like Kevin Bacon, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Him.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Mmm...almost...
I would want to see Gunner RS’d, so
1. EG
2. AH (the truly talented no. 2, should EG founder)
3. TR (but playing a legit back-up role, coming in in cases of injury)
(4. GK, ready to challenge for 2013)
#figureitoutbobby
by fishoutofwater on Jan 17, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
For as much flack as I'm giving Kiel
I put him at #2. I’m not a Hendrix fan from what I’ve seen so far. (Andrew—-Jimi is a guitar god).
That said, even if he’s #2, unless it’s a huge drop off between him and EG on one end and Hendrix/Rees at the other, I think you redshirt Kiel, with a big glass case around him that says “break in case of Rees” on it.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 17, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"break in case of Rees"
lol
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
My gut says it's EG then
2. Hendrix
3. Rees
4. Gunner (RS)
I agree that someone will transfer and I think Hendrix is the most likely.
Needs more LoVecchio
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't nap on Lovecchio
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If I promise not to nap on Lovecchio, can I doze on Dillingham?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
/snoozes on Godsey
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 18, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmmm, i must be
i’ve got a fairly good memory of ND players onf the last 20+ years, but the only Clark that is coming to mind is Willie…..but he was a DB. Who is this other Clark you speak of?
I believe the reference is to Jared Clark.
He was recruited as a QB then made a position change to tight end. He played at ND in the early 2000’s.
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 18, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree
1. EG
2. Rees
3. Voodoo Child
4. Gunner
The bigger question…Who leads the RED NATION ARMY?!?!?!
2. Rees
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 17, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Rees can be the guy that comes off the bench and does just enough to get us the win IF the defense and run game are clicking and IF he doesn't turn the ball over.
So, never.
I hate to be too hard on the guy, but he was never even much of a game manager. He managed the easier games, but turned the ball over too much and just couldn’t do anything in the tougher games.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Actually not--that's what I said "So, never."
He should be able to do these things, but all he can do is “get us lined up correctly” and throw wide receiver screens and picks.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Not a big fan of Rees lately, Mouth ain't
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry. I'm breaking our "Don't bag on the kids" guideline.
He’s a good kid, I’m sure, but I just wish he’d throw fewer picks. I guess if you look at his sophomore numbers, they are par for the course. See, I can be nice.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I will disagree a little bit
1. EG (hopefully, I love his highlight film, think he’s perfect for the offense)
2. Rees/Hendrix (I see 2 and 3 as interchangable depending on the timing and situation. I know Rees took a lot of heat, but he did take us to 8-5 in the first two years of a difficult coaching and system transition, so let’s not trash him too hard)
3. Rees/Hendrix
4. Kiel (not to preserve the year of eligibility, cause hopefully he is so good that he would not come back for his 5th year, but simply to learn, adjust, and get practice reps)
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 17, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Now I can hardly wait for the Blue and Gold game.
It will be nice to see Golson and Kiel in action to actually determine if they can unseat Rees or Hendrix next year.
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 17, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions
This raises an interesting question
Who starts the Blue-Gold game? Rees and Hendrix, since they’re the only QBs with actual game experience? Or will EG and Hendrix separate themselves from Rees and gain the two starting positions?
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I don't think that really matter too much.
I would never read too much into the decision on who starts. I would expect that all four of them probably play a bunch though. Should be exciting!
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, it matters
It matters a lot and will be read into in every way possible.
Eh, you’re right it probably doesn’t matter.
But it might.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that alot with be read into it
but I don’t actually think that it matters. But you might be right that it actually matters because we are better served if we have a started kind of establish himself as “the man” before summer training camp.
So hopefully someone really stands out in the spring and BK sets that guy up as the starter by giving him a lot of reps in the Blue/Gold game.
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 17, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's the difference between playing with guys on the two deep and playing with walk-ons
I think I would rather see what Golson can do facing a pass rush featuring Aaron Lynch rather than Chase Hounshell. Does Kelly want to see Golson in live-ish action or give those snaps to the two experienced guys? But I guess in the end it doesn’t really matter.
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Don't you think it will look a lot like last year, with everybody rotated up a spot?
Rees and Hendrix start as the experienced guys and play a few series (in red jerseys?), then Golson and Kiel come in behind them and play a few? Like the Crist/Rees, Hendrix/Golson rotation last year. Even last year, the QB competition was still, ahem, “wide open” at that point, and Kelly didn’t declare Golson and Hendrix as 3 and 4/RS until summer or fall. Everybody gets to play? No hurt feelings?
#figureitoutbobby
by fishoutofwater on Jan 17, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt Hendrix will have a red jersey - Kelly will probably want to run him
But I suspect you’re right – Rees and Hendrix play the first half, Golson and Kiel play the second half.
One Foot Down
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wrong gunner
But Kiel is a traveling man, from Bloomington to Baton Rouge and now to South Bend.
by blheureux1991 on Jan 17, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
This is more than a verbal commitment.
He’s signed the papers associated with early enrollment and is officially committed to ND.
@Cranked_Irish, the only way he’s changing his mind again is if he follows the Prestwood plan (except a sort of reverse, where it’s some other school rather than ND that benefits), where he transfers after the spring semester and has to sit out a redshirt year.
I wrote that when he committed to LSU.
the blind squirrel is for being lucky.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
With Kiel we added a member to the new Rivals100 that came out today
Kiel #20
Greenberry #49
Shepard #76
Sky rockets in flight.
At Scout
we went from 7th with Decker & Darby (after Shumate’s USA AA game verbal),
to 11th with neither,
back to the 8th rated class with Gunner onboard.
Not a great week (come back Darby) but not as bad as it could have been.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
i'm psychic, kinda (only a few month's off)
he’ll commit to ND soon
mark my words
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Whenever you get stressed, always remember: RDWHAHB
So, with Day, Kiel, Carlisle, and Martin starting classes today as officilally announced...
does this mean that we lost the Armond and Arik Armstead Sweepstakes to Auburn, since neither of them made mention in the University release?
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Have not seen their name pop up anywhere else,
So I am still cautiously pessimistic.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
They still haven't decided.
And there’s still some time yet before they’re precluded from EE at ND. The ones who were in the release are the ones who have signed papers and are thus officially with ND.
by Mr Wednesday on Jan 17, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I have seen several places
that Armond and his dad were flying home this morning from the Bend and Arik was flying home from Auburn and they were going to Pow-wow tonight about the decision and hopefully announce by Wednesday or Thursday.
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 17, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Don't care what anyone says, love this
If for no other reason than I am the slightest bit more certain that Tommy Rees is a backup the rest of the way. Yes, Kiel was indecisive which means if he gets unhappy he’ll probably bolt. But this kids going to be a stud somewhere, might as well be at ND. He seems to be mobile enough to make it work in the spread. I bet he redshirts in 2012. My guess is: Andrew Hendrix becomes the odd man out and transfers either after the spring or after sitting the bench next season.
by Chris Schumerth on Jan 17, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions
Or he doesn't transfer
rides out the four years, Deion Walker style, goes to med school.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
On that first statemen, we can all agree.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 17, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think this matters for recruits we are trying to sway?
How much can Gunner’s commitment help?
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions
Could help sway a few both this year and down the line.
5 star guys want to play with other 5 star guys. I’d assume you make friends (or at least contacts/network) with the guys you see at the summer camps and all-star games. Should help with WR recruiting if Gunner’s passing proficiency translates well against college defenses.
If BIG LOUIS NIX was a Mississippi Blues Man, he'd be Jellyroll T-Bone McPorkchop, ‘cuz he's all meat, with just a little bit of sweet.
Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.
Viva El Churro! El Churro lo ve todo!
from the twitter world-
it seems that a lot of the WR commits are ecstatic already (ferguson, brown, greenberry) and it should help a lot with our chase for nelson agholor
if things are looking up (as in if gunner can come in and play well right away) it could help with the likes of adam breneman (’13 TE) and other ball catching prospects
by 4pointshooter on Jan 17, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
i think an andrew luck comp is apropos for gunner
same size coming out of HS (gunner: 6’4"/220 luck: 6’4"/215), same deal about not the good but not elite arm strength but makes up for it by making all the right throws and similar stats both rushing and passing – and similar praise about knowledge about the game-
it doesn’t seem like that much of a pipe dream right?
That would be great!
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa, Sparky! Pull the reins on that runaway carriage...
that DOES seem like a pipe dream. Let’s not forget Andrew Luck had an absolutely awesome QB guru in Jim Harbaugh to learn from. I love BK and he can coach of QBs with the best of them, but I think Luck’s talent + Harbaugh’s coaching = multiple Heisman Trophy nominees. Similarities in their measurables doesn’t mean much…
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
Do a google search
Take the url for that particular gif and punch into the “image” button (the tree logo) above there.
Preview it to make sure it works and hit post!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
They grow up so fast.
They start off with single sentence comments, then before you know it, they’re posting gifs and writing FanShots. Before we know it Murtaugh, he’ll be all grown up writing FanPosts. Sniff sniff. Our little DMAC.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
And were 0-1
looks like i still got a lot of growing to do….I gave a good laugh to Mouth’s comment though.
don't worry, it's like learning to ride a bike.
/picks up DMAC, puts Flintstones bandaid on bo-bo.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 18, 2012 9:43 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just yesterday
Someone wrote two Utah vs the BCS articles with me, too.
by Michael Collins on Jan 18, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
not the colors of the U?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 19, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
surely you jest, sir.
And it’s “Da U.”
by Mouth of the South on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
"Da U", good point, thanks for the reminder
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Welcome to the family, GK
Along with our current QBs, you’re gunner take us Higher!
by Michael Collins on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 PM EST reply actions
With all this talk of transfers...
Is it wrong that I want Rees to be the one who goes? I don’t have anything against him personally, I just don’t want him to be part of my life anymore. His last three games were a disgrace. Young QBs should progress during the season, instead he regressed. He was much better against Michigan than he was against Boston College. He has no discernable skills, and turns the ball over way too much for someone who can’t actually make plays. I don’t want him to take another snap here, sorry.
As for Kiel, I hate how this went down but this is how the game is played. Notre Dame loses recruits every year who commit here first, then go elsewhere. It happens to everybody, so even though I feel bad that LSU had the rug pulled out from underneath them…shit happens. I really wish these kids wouldn’t commit anywhere until they were 100% certain, but they change their minds all the time and this is how it’s gonna be. The coaches know how it works, but it sucks for the fanbases who think they’ve got a certain player, and then they don’t.
by frank_grimes on Jan 18, 2012 2:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
To build on that...
I think if you were to rank the likelyhood of transfer, Rees would be at the top of the list. Simply put, he has the most experience, is the most likely to slide down the depth chart, and would have the most to offer another program.
Hendrix would be the least likely, b/c he wants to become a doctor and education appears to be extremely important. Based on what others have said, Kiel is ready to wait for a few seasons, so depending on who wins the job in the spring/fall, but if you look at the last season of eligibility right now, it would be:
Rees – 2013
Hendrix – 2014
EG – 2015
Kiel – 2016
Which is the equivalent of taking one QB/class.
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@jemiesle
I think, however, that Rees is probably the least likely to transfer
Who would take him based on his resume? Akin to our situation with him, he would suck down a scholarship with very little promise of future results.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I think a smaller school (MAC, FCS, etc) might take him
He was the starting QB at Notre Dame after all. He’s a fairly capable quarterback, just not against good defenses.
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We believe he has hit his ceiling athletically and he will be overtaken
It should be fairly obvious to him that the NFL is not in his future. Therefore, why trade in the ND education and title of “Starting QB Emeritus” for a chance at the stating job at some other, lower prestige (said pinky in air) school?
I don’t see it. I would bet 1 million internet bucks on him staying thru his four years.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
True
But if he wants to be a starting QB, those are probably his best options. But I don’t know what Rees wants. The smart decision is what you said, but we’ve seen players transfer for more playing time in the past (Zach Frazier, and Demetrius Jones come to mind).
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I agree...
but there are thousands of kids that commit to D2/D3 schools every year just to get a chance to keep playing and passing up schools that would give them a “better” degree. Love of the game, need for competition, etc etc. You never know what his or any of these guys’ priorities are, so anyone assuming one of the four QBs is going to transfer or not going to transfer because of a depth chart thing is talking out of their ass.
Homerism run rampant
ND Starting QB Emeritus is better than possible FCS Starting QB.
With his skill set, a starting job is not a certainty unless he drops way down.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
there is wisdom in your words, Al.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 18, 2012 12:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
So
what is the ratio of Stanley Nickels to internet bucks?
If Kiel is as good as advertised
either Hendrix or Golson will leave ND, possibly both
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 19, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Here here
I never want to see Rees take another snap, even in practice. As you’ve said, it’s not to bag on the kid, but based off the fact that he combines the worst elements of ‘game-manager’ and ‘gunslinger’ and has noticeably gotten worse as the season progressed. Any time spent with him as part of the offense is time that could be better spent with one of the three qbs on our roster that haven’t hit their ceilings.
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
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he combines the worst elements of ‘game-manager’ and ‘gunslinger’
This is something I’ve been thinking or worried about as well.
I just can’t shake that interception to Goodman to end the bowl game. No game manager would have thrown that ball to an ice cold backup receiver unless he was wide ass open.
There was just so much audacity to that throw and it makes no sense.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 18, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Is our perspective on Rees unfairly skewed by his regressive performance in the final 2 1/2 games?
Cards on the table: I have been loyally pulling for Crist, even at his worst, since Jimmy left and Kelly arrived, so I’ve never had a big affinity for Rees. I’ve been the first to critique his performance since he stepped in v. Tulsa. That said, it seems like the “he has no discernible skills” and “can’t actually make plays” and “I never want to see Rees take another snap” laments (1) peg him at his play against BC, Stanford, and USF (+ USC, 2010 and 2011, perhaps), with no notice of his nearly 15 games-worth of play prior to that and (2) assume that he will forever perform at that obviously regressed level.
Maybe that’s just the truth. Do we have good reasons for believing, though, that Back-up 2012 Rees will not be the Tulsa-to-MD Rees? The Mich. 2011 Rees (minus the goaline ball-drop incident)? The service academy Rees?
Frankly, he just looks like a very serviceable and valuable back-up to me. If, God forbid, Hendrix or Golson go down next season, who better to step in mid-game than the stoical and experienced and known quantity Rees?
#figureitoutbobby
by fishoutofwater on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, he would be a great back up QB a la Sharpley or Thomas Krug (showing my age)
The “no discernible skills” should be changed to state “skills not really compatible with the coach’s preferred offensive system”
Otherwise, I like him as an emergency back up.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I don't recall Sharpley throwing ill-advised ducks into double coverage with the same frequency
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
by Publius2010 on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
/Ram Vela out of nowhere
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 18, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Krug is showing your age?
Wow….I am in trouble then
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Here's your Sign
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Haha...I had to look up Krug to figure out who you were talking about, Cranked.
And the current Irish players were learning to use scissors and paste about the time he was playing. I was at least reading chapter books by then.
#figureitoutbobby
by fishoutofwater on Jan 18, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
It does bother me that Tommy Rees was born the year I graduated High School
about the same year, apparently, that Mr. Miesle joined AARP.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
That would bother me a little, too.
On the bright side, since you were old enough to know that football was a thing, the Irish have at points been great at it. I’d like to see that for myself.
#figureitoutbobby
by fishoutofwater on Jan 18, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
The 1993 Season was an awesome time to be on campus
I lived in Grace the one and only week we lit the #1 sign on top since 1988.
Le sigh.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
RECFLAG
Rec’d for lighting up Grace
Flagged because I got there in 1994.
/sad trombone
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 18, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Titles Please
I can’t make her stop.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you sir.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not that old, it just feels that way sometimes...
although I did start getting mail from AARP when I graduated from college. I am still conviced this is some elaborate prank.
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Life gave Krug a bum rap
At least in football. He was a tough kid, so i’m sure he made something of his life, but DAMN, if he didn’t have that congenital problem with his neck we wouldn’t have had to endure so much Powlus.
I think this is a great post.
Totally on the money. Just because Rees struggled against the quality defenses on the schedule this year doesn’t mean he is a horrible QB. He simply does not have the playmaking ability or the arm to be a true difference maker at the BCS level.
But come on folks. Thinking that this kid could not play for a MAC school and be an above average QB is simply looking at all of the negative. He would be just fine at that level and we should be glad that we can have a backup with his level of experience and frankly even his level of skill. Most programs are not blessed with that.
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by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I do wonder what Rees would do
At a MAC school with a below-average to poor offensive line. I’m pretty sure he would struggle to keep his job if he was being chased every other snap.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 18, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
And not having an All-American receiver to bail him out
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
Or an All American TE catching everything thrown at him
When both Jonas & C-Dub were on pace for 1000-yd rushing seasons
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
This, this and this
Any success Rees had was almost totally due to the amount of talent surrounding him. Floyd, Eifert, Wood, Gray, an offensive line that didn’t allow a sack for an entire month…this is what he was playing with. Look, at the beginning of the season I thought Rees was deadly accurate, and that would make up for his lack of physical skills. But his accuracy shot downward as the season progressed, to the point where the only throw he could make consistently was the wide receiver screen. If he isn’t going to be on time and on the money, then he isn’t going to be anything, and by the end of the season he was nothing.
I never said Rees couldn’t play for a MAC school. I actually think he would fit in much better there, where the opposing teams aren’t filled with future NFL players. But he’s not good enough to play here. I hate to say this and sound like a “It’s a birthright that Notre Dame is great at everything” type, but Notre Dame does not need to settle for Rees at QB. Recruiting Kiel has proven that; we can, and must, do better.
If I were Rees, I wouldn’t transfer. His future isn’t in the NFL anyways, so he may as well get the education, no matter what his place on the depth chart is. I’m just tired of the blind spot that Kelly seems to have for him. Playing Rees for almost the entire game against Florida State was a complete waste of time.
by frank_grimes on Jan 18, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think we're being unfair to the MAC
there are some excellent schools there that would provide a great education and a degree worth quite a bit, even if not quite ND level (and we have to all admit we are very biased). I mean, it’s not like we’re talking about him transferring to an SEC school or something.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 18, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I got to CMU
He could play QB here, quite easily. Radcliffe but up real solid numbers (yardage and TD wise), but watching him play, he was horrendous. Rees would play pretty well here, no doubt in my mind….And great education is a stretch, its pretty damn easy here.
I wasn't thinking of CMU as a "great education" (no offense meant)
but someone somewhere up above was talking about going to play at a MAC school would be giving up the cache of an ND diploma. Well, yes, but there are some MAC schools that aren’t too shabby academically (Ohio, Miami, Bowling Green are all pretty good schools), and depending on which school he went to, he could still walk out with a diploma that has some importance.
I’ve never gotten one thing more than anyone else because I went to ND compared to any other school. Granted, I’m not in the public sector, and the program I was in was small and completely not big on the national scale. People I talk to in the field don’t even know that ND has a program. So I was never going to be in a situation where an ND diploma mattered relative to any other diploma. But the idea that he’d be giving up an “ND education” by going to play somewhere else just seems…pretentious.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 18, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was me
My contention is that there is a trade off between an ND (or any university that is recognized by the wider culture as upper tier) diploma and a lower tier college diploma. Program of study aside, since I don’t know his major, the cost is measured in connections, national recognition, & prestige.
The prospective gain would be more exposure as the starting QB somewhere. Will he get better coaching in a friendlier system and experience the growth to become an NFL talent? I doubt it. No one believes that Tommy is an NFL talent where he stands now, so what does that net him?. So the urge to move on to another school would be about stoking the competitive fire.
In the benefit analysis, is that cost of playing at another school for another 3 years max (sit out 1 year of games but still able to practice, with 2 left over since he has not used a RS year) worth the cost of the drop down in prestige & connections?
Not my decision, but if it were, I would choose ND.
Since I am out, my ND diploma has not opened any doors that were otherwise closed. I have noticed that it did make them swing them open a little wider…to continue the tortured metaphor.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I understand what you're saying
100%. My point is that SOME MAC schools aren’t that bad, and so it would just depend on which school he went to. Kent State? Yeah, he’s not getting anything comparable.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 18, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is a good point.
BUT, studies show that a degree from ND is worth a lot more than one from most other D1 schools. Also, the alumni network is damn good.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 18, 2012 8:35 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes, this is true.
But if we’re going to take a swipe at a conference for its academics, the MAC isn’t….that bad. There are much worse.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
The o-line would be below average
But the opposing defensive lines (within the conference, of course) would also be below average. MAC schools do just fine when going up against other MAC schools. Except for Akron.
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This is my thought as well.
Sure he had great talent around but he would have less talent that he is going against in the MAC as well. I just think about the QBs at places like Western Michigan, or Bowling Green, etc. and seeing them play makes me fairly certain that Rees could cut it just fine at that level.
I’m not saying he would save the program, but he would be an average starter at that level of competition. And obviously I want ND to have an upgrade, I just get frustrated when others are frustrated and exagerate to the point of basically saying the Rees should not even be playing college football.
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by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 18, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
My take on the QB depth chart
at the start of the season,
1. Hendrix
2. Golson
3. Rees
4. Kiel
by the end of the season
1. Kiel
2. Golson
3. Hendrix
4. Rees
For 2013, Golson and or Hendrix will transfer.
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by Mouth of the South on Jan 19, 2012 9:55 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
WE LOVE SHINY NEW TOYS
LET’S GET ANOTHER TOP QB NEXT YEAR AND THEN HE CAN TAKE OVER BY THE END OF 2013
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 19, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Either Kiel
starts the first game of 2012 or he doesn’t play at all. If he is not ready for the first game then why would he be more prepared by the end of the season. A fourth string QB will be running the scout team not getting significant reps with the 1st or 2nd units that would lead to possibly taking over the starting job.
I’m not totally discounting that he could possibly start the season as the starter in 2012 (who knows, between the low ceiling of Rees and the lack of experience for Hendrix and Golson) but I simply don’t believe that he would go from 4th string to 1st string during the season next year.
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by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 19, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm,
Either Kiel starts the first game of 2012 or he doesn’t play at all
those are hardly the only options available.
If he is not ready for the first game then why would he be more prepared by the end of the season.
How much Kiel plays in 2012 depends on how quickly he picks up the offense and how good his QB competition is. Rees is, well, Rees. He will be better, but probably not enough better. Hendrix showed some flashes of ability but hardly enough to give him the nod. He runs well, but his throwing is a big question mark. Golson? Yes he appears to be the favorite here, but who knows what he brings to the party. Since no one has seen him take a snap in a game it is easy and fun to heap all kinds of unrealistic expectations on the young man.
Kiel is much more highly regarded coming out of high school than any of his competition, so while it may be unlikely he starts game #1 next season, claiming the starting job later on is not quite the long shot you think it is. But while I think he could start, I hope Hendrix and Golson are for real and Kiel redshirts in 2012.
but I simply don’t believe that he would go from 4th string to 1st string during the season next year.
Long shot? Sure, but not impossible. Hendrix went from 3rd string to 1a by season’s end. If BK thinks Kiel is the most talented and is only 4th string because of inexperience, he will give him enough reps in practice and games early on to bring him along as the season progresses.
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think this is the crux of the worry when it comes to a loaded QB depth chart
If BK thinks Kiel is the most talented and is only 4th string because of inexperience, he will give him enough reps in practice and games early on to bring him along as the season progresses.
Coach Kelly’s handling of the depth chart, from 4 to 2 last Spring/Summer, was handled well, by all accounts. The announcement of Dayne as the Game #1 starter, at least seemed like a logical choice. I believe that an announcement of Rees as starter would have been accepted, also.
The problem arose when 2 became 1, then 2, then 3, and then 2 again. I believe that a good amount of faith in Coach Kelly’s ability to handle the QB depth chart was burned last year. As mentioned above, splitting reps among too many slows everyone’s development. Coach Kelly admitted as much when he said 1 of last year’s 4 would not practice during the spring as a QB.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 20, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
"Coach Kelly admitted as much when he said 1 of last year’s 4 would not practice during the spring as a QB."
Did he say this about this coming spring? When/where did he say this?
I agree with you that “a good amount of faith in Coach Kelly’s ability to handle the QB depth chart was burned last year,” though it wasn’t clear to me that handling it the way he did in the spring/summer was the best course – splitting reps 4 ways, really?
I suppose the risk with red-shirting Golson right out of the gate was that Golson thought he’d get a shot at playing time coming in. Maybe he could have made it immediately clear in the spring that it was btwn. Rees and Crist for the first 2 spots due to experience, and btwn. AH and Golson for the 3 and 4 spots, rather than waiting until the spring was over to determine that. And it wasn’t clear to me that waiting until the week before the USF game to declare a starter was the best way to set up your starting QB.
Of course, we don’t know what all was communicated to the QBs and the rest of the team, so who knows. It will be fascinating to see how Kelly handles a similarly stocked QB line-up this spring and summer – it may suggest how he would have handled last year differently if given a re-do.
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by fishoutofwater on Jan 20, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nope last spring, haven't heard anything like that about this year.
The salient point being that splitting between too many QBs is detrimental to the whole team. Coach Kelly’s magic number appears to have an upper competition limit of 3.
So who gets voted off the island before the competition has even started? Kiel to Red Shirt or Rees to Red Hat? I don’t see that either Hendrix or EG gets passed over for Spring drills.
Of course he can’t even say Kiel’s name until NSD. If I were Coach Kelly, I wouldn’t say a damn word in public at all. Let us arm chair coaches burn and fizzle on blogs and protect any/all QBs in the hunt for #1 from the questions.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 20, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I see. Thanks for clarifying.
I would put my money on Kiel red-shirting b/c unless Kelly completely throws TR overboard, I don’t see how he could sink those 17 games-worth of playing experience by “red-hatting” Rees. He’s gotta be your emergency back-up. I don’t know that Kelly needs to treat Rees as a contender for the starting spot (though I’d be surprised if he didn’t), but if he’s capping rep-receiving-QBs at 3 this year, barring injury, no. 4 has to be Kiel.
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by fishoutofwater on Jan 20, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
i thought coaches were only forbidden to speak about recruits that had not signed an LOI?
Since Kiel is an early enrollee, hasn’t he already signed one?
In other words, I think Kiel actually can't sign his LOI until NSD.
Even though he’s enrolled and would need to sit out next year if he transferred. Bizarre, I know, but I think this is how it works.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's Rivals that is influencing my confusion
While 24-7 shows early enrollees as “Enrolled”, Rivals lists them as “Signed Letter of Intent”
Don't have time to comment about everything but there is a big difference
between Hendrix going from 3 to 1 and Kiel going from 4 to 1. That difference is the year of eligibility. Hendrix had already sat a year so having him play some limited time late in the year did not affect his four years of eligilbility.
Kiel could still redshirt (although I hope he is so good that he would bolt for the NFL before using that 5th year) but if he then plays in 2 or 3 games at the end of the year the whole year of eligibility is used up. At that point I feel it is just better to save him until next year.
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by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 20, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
And I want him to get a shot at the starting job
if he is as good as pretty much everyone says he is, BK needs to see what he can do and not redshirt automatically. His lack of experience may prevent him from starting by game 1, but his talent may allow him to rise about his competition as the season progresses, that is what I am saying.
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
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