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Champs Sports Bowl Review: Better Late Than Never?

Maybe we'll see more of the Voodoo Child next season.  (But don't sleep on EG.)

Yeah, I know - the bowl game was two weeks ago. I'd like to say I spent the time since the game going over the game in great detail and have an awesome breakdown for you guys, but that's not really case. Call it apathy, call it burnout, call it whatever, but I just decided to drag my feet on this breakdown for whatever reason.

But anyway, let's hop in the time machine and go all the way back to 2011. All the way back... to the Champs Sports Bowl.

As far as the offense goes, there's not much I can say that hasn't been said already. Rees didn't play well, Hendrix should have played more, our receivers dropped some critical passes, and we couldn't move the ball when we had to. Put that all together, and that's how you end up with seven offensive points.

So let's talk about the defense, specifically how Florida State was able to get back into the game despite being dominated up front all night.

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I'm sure all Irish fans would agree that the defense in the first half was a lot of fun to watch. EJ Manuel didn't have time to set his feet every time he dropped back and Aaron Lynch and Jamoris Slaughter played maybe the best football of their careers.

The big key to Notre Dame's early success defensively was Florida State's young offensive line. By my count, Bob Diaco called eight blitzes in the first half, which is a lot considering he usually calls a fairly conservative game. The offensive line had a really tough time picking up those blitzes.

Here's a play from the first quarter.

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Florida State is in the shotgun on third down. Notre Dame has their pass rush package in, with Prince Shembo, Lynch, Stephon Tuitt, and Darius Fleming as the down linemen. The defensive backs show man coverage with, presumably, one of the safeties playing deep off-screen.

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Diaco is simply going to bring Manti Te'o on the blitz right up the middle. Three of the linemen slide over to block Lynch and Fleming, opening up a gaping hole for Te'o to run through.

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Lynch also beats his block and meets Te'o at Manuel for the sack. Yes, there were three linemen right in front of Lynch and he beat them all. The Seminoles simply could not block Aaron Lynch.

The other issue the Florida State offensive line had was just getting lined up properly.

Here's a play from the second quarter.

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FSU is in the shotgun on another third down.

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Lou Holtz pointed out this play at halftime. The tackles both line up too far outside. Notre Dame is only rushing three men, but Stephon Tuitt and Prince Shembo both end up one-on-one with the tackles. Meanwhile, Lynch is double teamed by the center and right guard while the left guard stands there blocking no one.

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Tuitt bull-rushes his man and gets the sack.

At halftime, the Irish were pitching a shutout and kept the Seminoles from stringing anything together offensively. Then in the second half, Florida State puts together a few long drives and rings up 18 unanswered points. What happened?

First, I think Florida State's young offensive linemen simply played better in the second half. I'm not saying they played great, but, for the most part, there weren't free rushers flying in Manuel's face in the second half.

Second, Jimbo Fisher put Manuel in the shotgun almost exclusively. Florida State lined up in the I-formation frequently in the first half. They couldn't establish any kind of a running game and the line simply couldn't pass protect long enough to execute five step drops. Playing from the shotgun put Manuel deeper in the pocket and forced the pass rush to go farther to get to the quarterback. Notre Dame was able to collapse the pocket fairly consistently, but the line play improved from awful to adequate, and that was enough for Manuel to find open receivers.

Notre Dame also made some questionable defensive adjustments of their own. After blitzing eight times in the first half, Diaco only called three blitzes in the second half, and two of those came late in the fourth quarter when the Irish were desperate for a stop.

I don't know for sure what the reasoning behind this was. Maybe Diaco and Kelly decided to be more conservative in the second half since they had the lead. Maybe with Florida State spreading out the defense by going four-wide, they worried about the DB's getting beat and wanted to keep extra players back.

But either way, with time to pass finally, Jimbo Fisher and EJ Manuel went to work on the Irish defense.

For the most part, the Irish played a zone defense throughout the game. Sometimes they played a little too passive, and that cost them.

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In this play, Notre Dame is only rushing the three down linemen. The linebackers are playing an underneath zone. It looks like the two corners are staying on the two outside receivers, and the safeties are back deep, probably to help the corners.

The linebackers play a little too deep, though. Florida State simply ran three men deep and then brought another receiver across on a drag route.

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Look how deep Fleming and Dan Fox are. Te'o comes up to make the tackle, but not after a five yard gain.

This was not an isolated incident. Those underneath routes were open constantly the entire second half. Every time, the formula was the same: The receivers would run deep, and a running back or another receiver would slip out underneath and pick up an easy five yards.

But when Notre Dame decided to come up and play man coverage, the Seminoles beat them deep.

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Here's Florida State in the shotgun again. Notre Dame has the pass rush package in again on third down. The DB's are playing only a yard off the line. It looks like Gary Gray and Slaughter are playing to the boundary side with Robert Blanton and (possibly) Bennett Jackson to the field side. Te'o is the middle of the field with Harrison Smith creeping down right before the snap.

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Te'o spies Manuel and Hayseed covers the running back. This leaves five men to cover four receivers - everyone is in man coverage with Zeke Motta playing a deep zone.

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Gray gets beat and the receiver makes an outstanding catch.

That's what Florida State did in the second half - run everyone deep and hit the underneath guy if Notre Dame is in a zone or throw it deep if it's man coverage. Diaco stopped calling blitzes and the defense never knocked Manuel off his rhythm.

Despite all that, I can't really pin this loss on the defense. Florida State had less than 300 yards of offense, ran for only 41 yards, and only scored 18 points. Yeah, maybe Diaco should have kept blitzing and maybe the defense was too conservative in the second half, but a performance like that should be more than enough to win. The problem was, of course, on the offensive side of the ball, but I think we've beaten that topic into the ground already.

There are plenty of good things to take away from this game. The line looked absolutely dominant. I don't care if Florida State had four true freshmen playing on the line, I honestly think Alabama would have had difficulty blocking Aaron Lynch that night. Jamoris Slaughter showed what kind of playmaker he is at the nickel back. It will be interesting to see where/how the coaching staff plays him next year. And finally, Te'o was all over the field, but I guess that's nothing unusual.

We can moan and complain about the outcome of the game, but if Notre Dame had gotten decent quarterback play in that game, they could have easily won by two or three touchdowns. We're not that far off from being a very good team. Give it time - it'll happen.

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Your right on about the 2nd half Burger.

They basically would rush 3 or 4 but seldom blizted as they did in the first half. Like Holtz said after the game…“they loss because they stopped pressuring the qb.” If the Irish were scared of the big pass play in the 2nd half and played conervatively, why werent they scared of the big pass play in the first half when they had Manuel running for his life. Just makes sense, no pressure, Manuel has time to throw like he did in the 2nd half.

When the Irish were up 14-0 BK, and we saw it all year, became very conservative in his play calling. Most of that is because of his QB, Rees, who doesnt have all the tools necessary to go all out. Like Coach D has said…BK will and has to go back to his agressive style like he had at Cinci and with the right QB he will be able to do that. At Cinci if BK was up by 30 with 5 mins in the game he would go for 37.

by Bill Rubin on Jan 12, 2012 8:44 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you for the breakdown Burgs

You’re one of the first people to really dissect things and actually point out that Florida State made good adjustments in the second half, just played better than they did in the first half, and simply made plays when they had to. Sure we could have done more, but FSU deserves a lot of credit.

So it would seem we think alike here. In hindsight we probably should have brought more pressure, but the game had changed. Even if we accept that bringing constant pressure would have had the same effect as in the first half (I don’t think it would have—-FSU made some adjustments), the Seminoles play-calling changed and started to rely on making bigger plays.

Going conservative didn’t work, but it’s all 20/20 now. So many times we see offenses do the same thing to protect a lead and it backfires—-that’s the breaks of football.

Our offense should have scored 17 more points anyway and doubled FSU on the scoreboard anyway.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 12, 2012 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks E

Even though most of FSU’s points came in the 4th, there wasn’t a Mchigan-level breakdown – FSU just played better. They did a great job of picking their spots when they wanted to go deep and connecting on them. Coverage was never really poor, the FSU receivers just made outstanding catches. On the deep pass I highlighted, Gray’s man had a step on him, but he had to dive to get the ball. On Manuel’s TD pass after Hendrix’s INT, he threw into triple coverage in the endzone, but the receiver jumped over Harrison Smith to make the catch. There’s not much you can do to defend those. This wasn’t Denard throwing lame ducks and Gray not turning around, this was just FSU’s players coming up big when they needed it.

by burger23 on Jan 12, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

While I would have liked to see a CB make a play on the ball (such a novel idea), the comeback in this game felt completely different than the comeback with Michigan (as you noted). It seemed like every big play by FSU was because of a GREAT catch by their WRs. The play on the sidelines comes to mind where the WR had the ball, and I think Gray knocked it out, and the WR falls on his back and the ball lands in his hands. Personally I thought he was out before he had possession but the CBs were in position to make a play and just never could. I don’t know whats more frustrating though, having players wide open, or having players blanketed and still making plays.

by eyerish9299 on Jan 12, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Glad you highlighted that last play burger...

I think it was the real momentum shift for FSU in the game, and ignited their 4th quarter comeback. On that possession, they eventually scored their first TD of the game.

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by Jim Miesle on Jan 12, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe because ND got beat on two of those 2nd half blitzes?

This had to be the most overblown, misappropriated blame coming out of that game. Diaco costing ND the game. Please. Maybe you give Te’o some more creative freedom out there, but, really, I don’t think they should’ve done anything different. The difference is depth. How many times have the coaches said that? You need depth, you can’t just have Tuitt and Lynch playing all the snaps because they get exhausted by the end of the game, especially as underclassmen. I don’t care what offensive linemen they are going against, you can only get penetration so many times during the game before you are just gassed. They need reinforcements and a deep rotation so no one is tired and they perform in the 4th like they did in the 1st. It’s very simple. It’s really lazy “analysis” to just call for the defensive coordinator’s head citing lack of blitzes, but it seems like that is a popular go-to for fan bases that are for some reason shocked that their defenses are more tired in the second half than they were in the first.

by alstein on Jan 12, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

So your saying Fla St.s freshman offensive line wasnt tired and in better shape then the Irish D?

I would have to say the irish D wasnt gassed or tired, afterall its the final game of the year and if they are in that bad of shape then I guess Longo isnt the man and it doesnt bode well for the future of ND. These are young 18 to 20 yo’s…they dont just get gassed like that….Diaco went conservative simple as that.

by Bill Rubin on Jan 12, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Great analysis...

I especially like your nuanced understanding of the differences between playing offensive line play and defensive line, as well as your thorough demonstration of the physiology of young adult males.

by alstein on Jan 12, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh Al, dont get upset, I realise you know so much more than Holtz and any other professional

that breaks down games and it was just so wrong of me to doubt the ever knowing almighty Al

by Bill Rubin on Jan 12, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Can I jump in here?

Here’s a question for you two or anybody:

At the conclusion of the game, did anyone really feel that FSU started playing better and having more success because we weren’t blitzing as much?

I’ll admit it probably played a part, but it certainly wasn’t something that stuck out so obviously that it required the next week’s talking points to be centered all around it.

And I love Holtz, but I’m not so sure how much we should take his analysis to heart. Particularly since he’s on air 3 minutes after the conclusion of the game, didn’t re-watch the game, and probably was distracted the whole time while watching it at ESPN.

I’ll tell you what I did notice….FSU’s offensive linemen started blocking our guys much better. We weren’t getting all of our pressure in the first half because of blitzes—-but Lynch, Tuitt, Shembo & Co. were just straight up beating their men on the line.

That stopped for the most part in the second half, and doesn’t seem to suggest that it was because we weren’t blitzing as much. What it does seem to suggest is that FSU made adjustments (big reason) and the Irish got a little tired (small reason).

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 12, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Idk maybe I'm overselling the fatigue thing...

but it seems to me be a much bigger factor than anyone is really saying. The biggest reason ND’s linemen are so good is because they get off so quick and get leverage; when you are tired, you get off slower and stand up higher out of your stance, eliminating the ability to penetrate. Offensive linemen know the snap count (know when to jump) and retreat/get in a guy’s way as opposed to trying to run through and around (at least) two big guys. It’s not easy, but it’s nowhere near the physical expenditure defensive line is. Offensive linemen don’t get rotated in and out throughout the game. Defensive linemen do. There is a reason for that. ND couldn’t rotate for whatever reason, and their second half performance suffered as a result.

Yes, FSU improved and seemed to ditch some of their looks and run plays that clearly weren’t working. But with a deeper (but still quality) rotation, I just don’t think there would have been a first to second half dropoff, and those adjustments would have been irrelevant.

by alstein on Jan 12, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Hounshell?

I think you make a logical argument as to why it is plausible that our D linemen wore out at a more rapid pace than the FSU O linemen, but my question (which is more of a generic “what were the coaches thinking” talking point) is why didn’t we see more of Hounshell? Did he play at all? Why not give Schwenke a few plays? Maybe both those guys, at this point, represent drastic departures in talent relative to Tuitt/Lynch and even Shembo (as a pass rushing DE), but wouldn’t spelling the thoroughbreds for at least a few plays be worth the risk if it means they get their mojo back to attack like they did in the 1st half? Did any of the coaches mention Hounshell at any point immediately or days after the bowl game? I remain perplexed by the D line substitutions patterns.

by leend11 on Jan 12, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

I would love to hear an answer as to why Hounshell especially (Kelly is on record saying Schwenke isn’t where he was hoping he would be at this point in his career) didn’t play more or why there wasn’t more of an effort (even if it needed to be creative) to give Tuitt and Lynch some breathers? I’m sure they have reasons, I would just like to know what they are.

by alstein on Jan 12, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely. And Niklas.

Troy Niklas didn’t play at all after playing all 12 games during the season and making many, many more total tackles that Ishaq Williams or Hounsell, and almost as many unassisted tackles as Tuitt. Why the heck wasn’t he in there, on the line or at OLB, tearing things up? He showed he could play and could certainly have given the other guys a breather.

by fishoutofwater on Jan 12, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

And Burger, thank you for your belated analysis.

It’s really excellent and always helpful to see these things broken down clearly.

by fishoutofwater on Jan 12, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps...

To play devil’s advocate (as Bill did earlier), maybe our collective confusion about this issue suggests fatigue was not the determining factor in FSU’s O line holding their own against ND’s D line in the 2nd half. Hard to believe Kelly, Diaco, and co. would keep capable, fresh bodies on the bench (unless it was just a grand “in the heat of the moment” oversight) if their starters were in desperate need of a breather, right?

by leend11 on Jan 12, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Aren't players supposed to take themselves out...

…when they need a breather? Sure, coaches can create a regular rotation to purposefully keep guys fresh, but they don’t always know how a guy is feeling unless he’s obviously gasping for air and stumbling around (which you see more often when an offense is running at such a fast pace that there’s not time to sub). I don’t know how the nuances of subbing works in college football, but that’s how we do it in our YMCA 3-on-3 basketball league. You get tired, you come out. :)

by ND Erik '04 on Jan 12, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks – that would clear it up a lot. I heard G. Gray was sick, too, so that might make sense. Where’s you hear that?

by fishoutofwater on Jan 12, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw it on a message board.

The person who posted it isn’t someone who would make something up, but I don’t know if his source for it is reliable.

by Mr Wednesday on Jan 13, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

good point

I’ve been wondering all season why we didn’t see SOME rotation. We hardly played anyone but KLM, EJ, Nix, Lynch or Tuitt.

by Mouth of the South on Jan 13, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

FSU's freshmen got their feet settled under them

ND’s DL was gassed (DL must have more depth than any other position and must rotate, esp in the 2nd half of the season). FWIW in his post-game presser, Jimbo said he didn’t make any adjustments in the 2nd half—although burg is right that EJ/Jimbo used the shot-gun much more. I’ve watched the 2nd half a few times, EJ had all day to throw the ball—he almost always threw the ball before he was pressured to do so.

ND will be very good next year, although your schedule will cause most to fail to realize this. Let’s hope Kelly learned the lessons of 2011 (QB problems, DL depth, etc.) and adjusts. Sounds like you just got a great QB
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2012/1/16/2711959/gunner-kiel-decommits-lsu-notre-dame/in/2062437

Championship!

by TLHWG on Jan 16, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Great breakdown Burgs.

And I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion. We are closer than most seem to think.

by whiskey OFD on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Great breakdown as usual, but my PTSD is kicking in.

I’ll be crying in the corner if ya’ll need me. Pass the Kleenex.

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by KrilDog on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

thanks for reminding me of this

My dog died when I was a kid. Wanna do a break down of that?

by long time listener on Jan 12, 2012 9:08 PM EST reply actions  

Depends

Do you have pictures so I can do a step-by-step analysis?

by burger23 on Jan 13, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

No, but I do have pictures of my girlfriend falling off a cliff and dying on impact.

Can you break that down?

I guess you can break pretty much anything down, right Burgs? Next week why don’t you take on the race for the Republican presidential nomination, the global economic crisis, and the complexities of the rebuilding effort in Haiti?

by Mouth of the South on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Manti

finally healthy, played a hell of a game. There’s so much to look forward to next season. Our front seven should be the best we’ve had in over a decade.

by tlndma on Jan 13, 2012 6:06 AM EST reply actions  

Reason for going exclusively to the gun was EJ hurt his knee.


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by Bud Elliott on Jan 13, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks Bud

It certainly worked out. FSU wasn’t getting anything done from under center.

by burger23 on Jan 13, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d like to see an analysis of the percentage of time ND brought 5+ rushers in the 1H and the 2H. I actually thought they brought more in the second half, but with less success.


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by Bud Elliott on Jan 13, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

When you say 8 v. 3, are you saying 5+ rushers? Or do you mean bringing a backer?


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by Bud Elliott on Jan 13, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

5+ rushers

I didn’t explain it in the post, but I considered a blitz bringing 5 or more rushers.

ND doesn’t zone blitz, so when they brought 4, they had four guys on the line, except for when they rushed Slaughter in the first half, but he was always up on the line of scrimmage.

by burger23 on Jan 13, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks


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by Bud Elliott on Jan 13, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I shouldn't have put that in absolute terms

I can’t say we NEVER zone blitz because I’d have to go back through the whole season, but we blitz so rarely and Coach D is always harping on the lack of zone blitzes despite running a 3-4 (which zone blitzing is tailor-made for) that it’s safe to say that even if we do zone blitz, we don’t it very often.

That might make a good offseason topic – Diaco’s blitz strategy, or lack thereof.

by burger23 on Jan 13, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Lack of blitzing

It fits right into his overall defensive strategy—win a war of attrition. The defense is designed to force opposing offenses to string together double-digit play drives by not giving up big plays. More often than not, it worked very well.

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by Jim Miesle on Jan 14, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

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