Recruiting, Open Thread Redux
by Michael Collins on Jan 11, 2012 11:56 PM EST
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PrintOn the sage advice of the Mouth (of the Mississippi), here is an Update on my Recruiting FanPost. Since the first one, KeiVarae Russell and Amir Carlisle have filled our RB needs and Ronald Darby's departure has left an opening at CB. The staff seems committed to taking another WR, DB and OLman. Will we get both Armsteads, a LB, QB, or add another Athlete?
Will the Irish accept any more transfers or will we have some attrition?
QB - Gunner Kiel is Irish!! Done.
RB - done
WR - Davonte Neal is the top ranked prospect at this point. Nelson Agholor is a longshot.
TE - done
OT - done
OL/DL - done
LB - done
DB - Brian Poole, Ronald Darby*
No more OVs scheduled, Announcement Date set
- Ronald Darby - Visits to ND, Auburn and Florida State. Probable Announcement Feb. 1.
- Brian Poole (Florida Verbal) - Visits to Florida, ND. Probable Announcement Feb 1.
- Agholor – OVs taken to ND, Fla, Okla, FSU and USC. Probable Announcement Feb. 1.
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Probable post-Signing Day Decision
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Davonte Neal – OVs to ND, Ohio State and Arkansas taken. Scheduled OV North Carolina (1/27) and Arizona (Feb 11). Will then announce.
Who are our best possibilities? What do you think?
* It ain't over 'til NSD.
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From what I gather...
1.Yuri Wright seems ours to lose. (Michigan is going after Armani Reeves hard)
2. Ken Ekanem will go down to the wire. I think we have a good shot here.
3. If we make a real push Standifer and Andrades seem quite interested.
4. Garnett is probably the only other real posibility.
2 or 3 more to sign up, that will leave us with 4 or 5 – 5th year seniors. Mike Golic jr. being the last guy on the bubble. A 5th y O-lineman is never a bad option.
What I don’t get about the Ronald Darby saga is, how ND went from a vebal commitment to out of the running, with no one else getting the commitment. If another school jumped ahead that would be one thing. Did a whole bunch of schools jump ahead? If ND has really fallen that badly with him, then his vebal seems like some kind of bad joke. The whole track issue didn’t just emerge. I’m sure ND was showing him as much interest as possible. Kelly, still has his in home, hopefully Darby’s still a possibility.
Re: Darby
It happens all the time. I would say that most de-commits eliminate their original school right away. Armstead did the same thing with USC.
Other notes: Andrades’ visit was pushed back two weeks, which seems like it would help the Irish getting a visit so close to signing day. Armstead is visiting Auburn this weekend and expected to decide, as he is an EE and tweeted that classes start on Monday so he’s gotta decide. I wish I was as confident in Wright joining the Irish as everyone else, but while they may lead, they are out of bullets in the chamber (BK already took his in-home, he visited ND and has a few others left) and I’ve read multiple places that he kinda beats to his own drum and is hard to actually get a definitive read on.
I’ll also say that there are over 3 weeks left, so I would guarantee a name or two that we haven’t heard all year sprout up that ND has a legitimate shot with and maybe even get (Troy Niklas comes to mind). Alton Howard (ATH from Florida), for instance, is a Tennessee commit that the staff is trying to get back in the mix with.
Still early, which seems crazy, given that these are life-altering decisions that need to be made in weeks, but there is more going on under the radar than we can even imagine. Hell, maybe it’s not that crazy, I was all set to go to a different school before I got my acceptance to ND, then I decided pretty quickly (like, within minutes) that’s where I was going.
The difference with...
Armstead was his brothers situation at SC. In Darby’s case there doesn’t seem to be any such situation. He just seems to have soured altogether on ND….why? what changed?
Fuller, Neal, and another corner/athlete
And I’ll be…
Still don’t think we’ve heard the last of Darby too. At least I hope.
Sky rockets in flight.
Tate Forcier is available ... again ... c'mon BK get er done.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
Tater Tots?
He certainly thought his business didn’t stink for quite a while.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 13, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
We seem to be limping to the finish a little bit
but I think this class still looks good.
Priorities to me were Corners and safeties and quality WRs. Even with that loss of Darby the class looks good from those perspectives. Full press back on Darby and Wright.
Decker just got offered from OSU and with the coaching change he worries me. But we have a very deep O-line and lots of young players there (including Elmer coming in next year) so I’m not worried if he flips (though I want to keep him, he’ll be a good one!)
Ekanem has it down to us and Va Tech so keep your fingers crossed.
I think based on how this past season went we still have a very good class. Kelly needs to step it up on the field next year too. If we pull off some quality wins and don’t get blown out, finish with 8-9 wins and look impressive, 2013 and 14 could be magical years. Sustained success will help recruiting immensely.
As of right now...
there are 80 spots accounted for (assuming that I have my numbers correct, which included KLM, Slaughter and Cave along with Carlisle). Someone correct me if I am wrong, since I didn’t have a chance to confirm.
As far as recruits go, here are a few thoughts I have:
Fuller — depends on if ND gets the final OV or not. If so, I like the chances.
Neal — he was really impressed with ND, I have read that tOSU isn’t pursuing that hard. I think its either ND or Arkansas.
Garnett — appears to be a Stanford lean from what I have read
Wright — all depends on his visits, but I like the chances. Michigan seems to have cooled off a bit
Agholor — the ship seems to have sailed, but I don’t think BK had his in-home yet. Who knows
Standifer/Redmond/Andrades — haven’t read much, so I really don’t know
Ekanem — might be a numbers casualty, but I think he would be a good fit for the defense
Armstead — I honestly believe it is down to Cal and ND here. Auburn seems to be a smoke screen and he has to decide if he is still going to be an EE.
Darby — I think he still keeps ND in the picture. I think I read his parents want him to go to ND, so don’t discount that. He reportedly will announce on NSD. I still think the Irish have a decent shot, but not great.
I know that many won’t like what I am about to type, but bare with me here. With 5 spots left, I think they end up with 3 or 4 at max, and that is a stretch. This likely opens the door for Cwynar and Golic to come back for another year. I don’t expect the staff to bring in a few last minute guys just for numbers with the 2013 class numbers stacking up the way they do. I would rather them bring back a few more 5th years and save numbers for next year.
Of the recruits that MC listed, here is my confidence list (top being the most confident):
Wright
Fuller (if he has an OV)
Neal
Ekanem (assuming there is a spot)
Armstead
Garnett
Darby
Redmond
Standifer (not sure if the staff will really pursue or not)
Andrades
Agholor
That being said, I have zero confidence in my list and really don’t see a huge spread from top to bottom for these guys. The staff may end up with 4 or 5, may only get one. Who knows.
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@jemiesle
I agree that we won't get many more commits
Your listing of these guys is about what I would say also – maybe some minor tweaks…
Wright – our best chance though he still has other visits to take – won’t really know until he finishes those (including the Cal visit – who isn’t going there?)
Fuller (if he has an OV) – Baylor seemed to pop up out of nowhere… heard he had a great visit with the ND coaches at the Army game but with him not committing to a visit right after that, seems less likely as it goes…
Neal – Not sure – also seems to be dying down and he has other visits to take including to OSU I think… is he the one that grew up in Akron? He may favor OSU after that…
Ekanem (assuming there is a spot) – between us and VT – depends on how much he likes the campus but he might be just under Wright – is a top 200 on rivals and would be a good pickup
Armstead – think we are in 2nd for him and his brother – with his brother visiting Auburn (though I thought the SEC didn’t accept 5th years – I guess this isn’t true?) my guess is Arik goes to Cal and Armond to Auburn – also no word on if ND doctors cleared him. Arik did send in the required paperwork to enroll at ND (but he’s doing this with all the top schools).
Garnett – See us third here… could be surprised though but he’s close with the Michigan folks and I’m sure he’ll enjoy the Stanford visit also. Seems like a really great kid.
Darby – think he ends up at FSU. Was afraid of him playing in the UA game without ND players there – good thing is he’ll be around 3 of them right before NSD at an all star game. He would be huge to pull back to ND.
Redmond – think he sticks with MSU – don’t really know much about him.
Standifer (not sure if the staff will really pursue or not) – agree with you Jim, not sure how much interest there is – may depend on if Wright or Darby are back in.
Andrades – Also seems like a great kid – no offer yet that I know of – probably will get the offer when he visits though as other prospects are now off the board.
Agholor – 99% convinced he’s a USC silent commit. Talks to other players there constantly. Would be shocked if he went elsewhere.
I think at this point I just want 1 more corner (Darby or Wright) then others would be icing (would also really like Fuller though). I think we’ll have room to bring back Golic Jr and Goodman which will be a blessing in disguise. Have to do work to keep Decker too.
Glad to know I am not alone...
interesting thought on Fuller, but the thing about that is that the day after the USAAAB was a quiet period, which means the staff can only talk to a recruit that is on campus for an OV. No scheduling OVs, no in-home visits.
I don’t know if I agree with Agholor though, I think he is probably playing the waiting game with Florida and who the next OC is there. I think that what Kiffin is doing has opened the eyes of a few recruits, and they may not be feeling it as much with USC.
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@jemiesle
Didn't they just announce that Boise State's Pease will be taking over at UF as the OC?
What is Kiffin doing? Are you talking about shooing away Armstead the Elder, Amir the Quick, and Kyle the very f’ing Tall?
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 12, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hit post too quickly
I think that an offense like Boise State’s would be pretty appealing to a slot guy like Agholor.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 12, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes 80 is the number when you include Cave, KLM, Slaughter and Carlisle.
So our magic # is 5.
We can take 5 more commits but each one bumps another 5th year player.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
The strange thing is...
that Hansen wrote an article in the SBT saying that three was the magic number. Anything beyond that would require roster moves. I wasn’t sure where his numbers were coming from (didn’t have time to finish the article), so I trust more in the 5.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
He was likely including Goodman and Golic in his count...
the decision regarding those two is obviously still up in the air.
Ah i see it now...
gotta be a mistake on his part.
According to Irish Illustrated on their Offense Master List
they have both Fuller and Agholor as “trending” downward. Garnett as “trending” even, with Stanford and ND as co-leaders, UM 3rd.
My 2c
Fuller- He tweeted that he’s “95% sure” ND will get his last OV. If so, we’ve got a great shot at landing him. Rutgers is believed to currently lead for him, but Fuller would be a poor fit at QB for their pro-style offense. I think he get him.
Garnett- He’s been seen wearing Stanford and Michigan gear recently, but not ND gear. Certainly not dispositive of anything, but not a great sign either. At this point, I’m just hoping he doesn’t go to Michigan.
Armsteads- Armond and his father are leaving Auburn on Sunday to visit ND. To the best of my knowledge, the SEC’s “Masoli” rule would prevent Armond from transferring to Auburn. If the Armstead brothers want to play together, ND seems to be the only possibility. I’m cautiously optimistic here.
Ekanem- Backup plan. I think the staff pushed back his OV to give bigger fish a chance to commit. If we’ve whiffed on a few 4 and 5 star guys by then, I’m sure he’ll be Irish. I worry about his knee injury though; a lot of guys are never get back to 100%.
Agholor- Boat has sailed. Constantly tweeting with USC guys, and his buddy Schyler Miles recently dropped ND from consideration (though we hadn’t offered yet). Unfortunately I think he’s destined to be a Trogan.
Wright- We currently lead, and having his buddy Shoemate in the fold means we’ll likely be a contender until the end. Odds are good that he ends up Irish, but his OVs could change all that.
Neal- Reportedly plans to announce after NSD. I suspect Golic’s 5Y may hinge on Neal going elsewhere.
I didn't see that about Fuller...
that’s good news, makes me a little more optimistic about him, but not too much so. I also saw Armond Armstead’s visit to ND wasn’t set in stone and that the reports were premature.
The SEC institued a new rule...
that does not allow transfers in with only one year of eligibility remaining. Armstead could be an exception since he did not play in 2011 due to medical reasons, technically leaving him with the opportunity to apply for a 6th year medical hardship waiver.
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@jemiesle
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that.
Thanks for the pickup.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
by whiskey OFD on Jan 14, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Others
Brian Poole, who has visited ND (and W.Kty) and is a long-time Floridal Verbal, wants to take his three other OVs. Don’t read too much into it. He has tweeted “I’m a Gator and I don’t plan on changing that.”
Armani Reeves, who decommited from Penn State, and considered ND, has come out with a final three of Penn State, Michigan and Ohio State.
Tracy Howard, one of the top ranked CBs, did not visit ND and has a top 2 of Florida and LSU.
Kent Taylor, Florida TE commit, who was waiting on Florida’s new OC to determine if he opened up his recruitment, can now assess Brent Pease, OC, from Boise State.
by Michael Collins on Jan 12, 2012 11:41 PM EST reply actions
Both Armsteads said they would like to play together,
if thats the case then Cal is out as USC made a contingency with Armond on his release that he doesnt play for any Pac-12 school.
Whatever happens we will know for sure by this weekend as Arik only has a couple days to deceide before EE and Armond has to deceide by Saturday if its the NFL or contimue in college football
I think the NFL deadline is the 15th, or Sunday
But correct me if I am wrong.
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@jemiesle
Yeah Arik said he'll decide Sunday
after coming back from Auburn.
They said they’d prefer to play together if they can but I’d still say Arik is likely leaning toward Cal.
I’ll be surprised if Armond decides to go pro. The transfer rule may not be in effect until October 2012 so Auburn may be a destination for Armond. And it still hasn’t been said if ND doctors had even cleared him.
Rumors going around that Decker is visiting Ohio State this weekend
Not good.
Sky rockets in flight.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's true
They just offered him. I’d look for him to take his visit there then spend some time talking to his family similar to what Westerkamp did.
I’m always leary about kids following assistant coaches and he may be as well after what just happened. Who do you trust? Did Kelly show them the door? Did they leave after affirming they would be at ND as they have the past 2 years?
Visit is unconfirmed at this point...
only Scout is reporting it and they didn’t talk to any of the Deckers about it. Decker’s coach is unaware of any visit, that’s the best Rivals has been able to come up with. It seems like there is no visit or Decker legitimately doesn’t know if he wants to or there is some ninja recruiting going on. Or maybe he just wants to visit some buddies and we all die a little inside when we realize we are taking this stuff way too seriously.
From irish Eyes:
A source close to Decker told Scout.com Ohio recruting analyst, Bill Green,..“i’m not sure of its an official or not but he will be there Saturday.”
Irish Eyes was able to reach Decker by text message and was told his visit will be an official one and he has not spoken with reported incoming OL coach Hiestand.
Yeah, not feeling real good about this one.
Warriner + Urban are a tough combo in this situation.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
by whiskey OFD on Jan 14, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Might be wishful thinking but,
doesn’t NDs new line coach have a resume that’s at least the equal of, if not better(NFL) than Warriner’s? Decker has to have made some buddies already at ND. That’ll count too. In the end, I think ND wins this one.
I really hope so.
I know we did well on the OL last year but a tiny OL class always makes me nervous. That makes Decker and even bigger fish in my mind.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
by whiskey OFD on Jan 14, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'll be honest
I’ve never really followed recruiting that closely until this year. And I don’t think I should ever again haha I think it’s because overall I’m bored that I do and I crave football…
Following recruiting has the same feel to playing slots in a casino. There are ups and downs but the downs feel much worse than the ups… and it’s not healthy!
Too true.
So who’s more sick, those who follow it despite knowing how morally bankrupt it is, or those who do so under a veil of ignorance?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 13, 2012 7:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Any other choices?
- destined to do so due to mistakes in prior lives
- making money off it
- deescalating from a gambling addiction
- mass hysteria
- an analysis of the Categorical Imperative and moral requirements in teenagers
- Zombies
by Michael Collins on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I have tried not to follow it in the past but the horrible truth is this.
Good recruiting typically = better team. I wrote a whole series of posts on this a few years back where I geeked out and averaged recruiting rankings over the last 5 years for every team etc. etc. Short version the top 20 teams in the recruiting rankings over the last 5 years were pretty much the top 20 teams in the polls. There are anomalies in the form of a few over and under achievers but for the most part there is a direct correlation.
Hence, I can’t stop paying attention to it. And it can be pretty maddening. Of course as long as I’m spending my free time writing here at OFD not following recruiting isn’t really an option. So I just roll with the highs and lows and try not to get too worked up about it. Easier said than done.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
by whiskey OFD on Jan 14, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I enjoy the hell out of following recruting.
It has ups and downs but its cool to know who the Irish are targeting, who you(I) think they have shot at, or not.
Armstead info
From an article in ISD on Armsteads visit to Auburn:
“Armstead has already visited Notre Dame, Alabama, Oregon and California. He will be joined by his father, Guss, and brother, Armond, who is planning to transfer from USC for his final season. His father and brother will stay though Saturday before going on a quick visit to Notre Dame.” (Italics mine)
Sounds like they are coming here for a last eval.
by Michael Collins on Jan 13, 2012 9:31 PM EST reply actions
I had a dream
last night, that he commits Sunday………course I had tied one on before I went nighty nites.
ISD is reporting that the Armond visit to SB never happened. My guess is then that Arik is going to Cal. His chances of going to ND would have increased had his brother Armond visited ND and possibly chose the Irish.
Since Arik is shooting to enroll early and deciding by as early as Sunday…this likely means he’ll be choosing the Bears.
Redmond
is visiting Mississippi State instead. He’s done this before. No future visit scheduled.
by Michael Collins on Jan 14, 2012 4:58 AM EST reply actions
Is that correct?
I think he was always due to be at Mississippi State this weekend. Next weekend he’s due at ND instead of Tennessee – along with Standifer I think.
Recruiting services
247 has Redmond visiting Miami on the 20th and Ohio State on the 27th
Rivals has Redmond visiting Vandy on the 20th and Tenn on the 27th
ESPN and Scout update prospect’s visits every full moon. All agree on Standifer’s visit.
by Michael Collins on Jan 14, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know how up to date those are
As of 3 days ago he was set to visit ND on the 20th. In the end I think he stays at MSU anyway but we’ll see!
He's due to take 2 more visits after this weekend
and one of them is to Cal. I won’t be confident until signing day.
Armond Armstead
The Pac-12 has a conference rule that requires players to sit out a year if transferring from another Pac-12 school. That rule superceeds the NCAA rule that allows a player to transfer without sitting out if he has graduated, as Armond has.
Since overwhelming thought is that the brothers will enroll together, does this mean that Cal and Oregon are eliminated?
Armond has made it clear that he is down to Auburn, Arkansas and Notre Dame. Of those, Arik is considering only Auburn and ND.
by Michael Collins on Jan 14, 2012 8:48 PM EST reply actions
Not so sure that the brothers enrolling together is that sure of a deal now considering that Armond never made a visit to SB this weekend. Considering the fact that Arik needs to decide in a day or two because of early enrollment…it appears that the likely destination for the younger Armstead will be Berkeley.
Thanks, fb
We’ll know for sure, probably by today. Armond is probably going to Auburn. He had a conference with USC this past week. Wonder if Kiffin would not release a second transfer to ND?
Interestingly, last June the SEC rescinded the rule on transfers for a student, who has graduated like Armond, so that the out-of-conference student could play immediately their final year of eligibility. Of course, ND would have allowed the same.
Kudos for “Berkeley” instead of “Cal”
by Michael Collins on Jan 15, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
What's wrong with Cal?
I know “Berkeley” is more specific and accurate, but their helmets say “Cal” for Pete’s sake.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 15, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure why MC likes "Berkeley" over "Cal," but as a Californian,
I had never, ever heard the school referred to as “Cal” until I started following football. In everything else, it’s “Berkeley” (all UC schools and Cal State schools – two systems with 33 schools – are referenced by city or acronym, with only one or two exceptions).
#figureitoutbobby
by fishoutofwater on Jan 15, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing wrong with Cal
and precise communication is important, so for non-WC people it’s known as Cal. But the West Coast knows them as Berkeley (see fishoutofwater’s explanation). Ex, Long Beach (but not UCLA). “Berkeley” is more traditional and is similar to “Buffalo” (a SUNY extension).
There is “The Ohio State University”, of course.
Sometimes, football helmets are not represenative of a university’s identity. (Caution: I may still use Cal at times, though.)
by Michael Collins on Jan 15, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing is wrong with calling the school Cal, MotS, it is widely used out here.
In my experience, Cal is more often used to describe the school’s athletic teams, while the school in general is more often referred to as Berkeley. However, no other University of California (UC) campus is known as Cal … none, so when someone refers to Cal, everyone knows it means UC Berkeley. No one thinks you mean UCLA, UCI and they sure as heck don’t think you mean one of the Cal State schools like Long Beach. Nothing imprecise or inaccurate about calling the school Cal at all, MotS, quite the opposite actually.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 16, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Tee Shepard
"I’m so relieved this whole process is over. The past month has been stressful, and I had a lot of people pulling me in different directions. I stayed strong in the end, though, and I’m happy to be going with my first choice all along, which is Notre Dame. "
tshepard08 Tee Shepard
Officially at ND!!!
Welcome to the Notre Dame family, Tee.
by Michael Collins on Jan 15, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions
good to hear
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 16, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Sheldon Day, ND enrollee
“@S_NDbound_Day91: Up early bout to make my journey to the bend hahaha super tired but it’s been real nap town shout out to all my bros do it big y’all”
Welcome to the fam, Sheldon. A valuable addition to the D-Line. It’s a great day!
by Michael Collins on Jan 15, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions
Im extremely worried right now
Were running low on options, and we have about 4-6 spots to fill. We could lose decker too…Where are we gonna pull these prospects from?
Decker has officially flipped his commitment to OSU
according to multiple sources (including Jason Sapp).
There are always more options, many we don’t know about until late and/or something is close. It’s not worth panicking about a recruiting class this far in advance, even though it sucks ND has apparently lost two 4* prospects in the week since they gained two others.
Staff is meeting with both Decker and Darby in the next week
Decker’s apparently buying what Urban is selling. Have to imagine there’s some dirty stuff being thrown in there because he seems like a good kid.
Armond Armstead is on campus right now if you want to set your expectations for that… keep your fingers crossed and your head up soldier!
One player does not make a class. Don’t fret.
Armond and his dad are getting to campus late on Sunday...
that means they are staying overnight, that way they can help Arik move in after he flies in on Monday with all his stuff. That is definitely what’s happening because that’s what I want to happen.
by alstein on Jan 15, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm actually going out on a limb and say I'm not too far off here...
Tosh Lupoi is leaving Cal for UW. Some west coast recruiting people are stunned by this. He was their recruiting guy. Lots of rumors all over that the Armsteads are ND’s to lose.
Also some serious smoke about Gunner Kiel...
he isn’t at LSU. He will be either at ND or LSU tomorrow according to 24/7 mod. Not trying to get everyone’s hopes up, but there are some serious rumors by reputable people floating around, not just bs.
I forgot how much fun it is to recruit against Urban.
Assuming KLM, Cave & Slaughter are locks the magic # is now 6, all of them being a 1 for 1 with other potential 5th year candidates.
I’ll put up an updated numbers post NLT Tues AM with the details.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
Decker has been removed from the recruiting sidebar widget
Worst part of my “job.”
Sky rockets in flight.
It's going to be a crazy day... brace yourselves
Armond and Arik may declare today – on the same day Tosh Lupoi, recruiting guru and D-line coach for Cal, leaves for Washington.
And another 5 star recruit is considering ND.
Get your seatbelts on fellas and just TRY to keep those expectations tempered.. I dare you…
You are right...
funny that last Friday was the 13th, right?
The rumor mill is in overdrive today, with rumblings about Gunner Kiel switching his commitment at the last minute…more to come.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Mike Farrell reporting that Gunner Kiel...
is going to Notre Dame.
Who
was the “And another 5 star recruit is considering ND.” that you mentioned?
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 16, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Its still a blue question mark
but that was my reaction also
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 16, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Third time is a charm
or a strike out
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 16, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Then imagine all the people
Lol’ing in pee-eeeeeccce
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 16, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcah covered
#teamGolson
進者往生極楽 退者無間地獄
Notre Dame Fightin' Irish + Hawaii Warriors
The Japanese History Podcast
by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 16, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
"gotcha" even
#teamGolson
進者往生極楽 退者無間地獄
Notre Dame Fightin' Irish + Hawaii Warriors
The Japanese History Podcast
by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 16, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhhhhh!
Where’s this guy been? And don’t say writing theses on 15th century Japanese warlords, sampai. I think it’s because of the new medal of duty, or whatever you kids are playing these days.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 16, 2012 6:20 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
OK, I need a recap on this redux (part deux)
Armstead #1 (the younger) — Any word
Armstead #2 (the elder)
Wha?? Kiel?? Did the Hat’s MNC Game Plan scare him that much?
Decker/Darby — I guess we find out more after the big guns get their visits in?
Oh, and Fuck Urban Meyer
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 16, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I have not been paying much attention since Wed
Where are we with D Fuller, if the Kiel rumors turn out to be false?
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 16, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still going on record as I'd rather have Fuller.
Kiel needs to sit down and figure out what he wants, and if he misses early enroll day, so be it.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 16, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Tend to agree
I think the Darron Thomas version of QB is a better fit than the Peyton Manning.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 16, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
as long as the Darron Thomas doesn't inexplicably decide to go pro.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 16, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That one deserves a WTF Cat
But I meant archetypes. Whereas my desired ideal has all the accuracy + 4.3 speed. In the real world, I will trade off some accuracy for mobility.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 16, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Basically, I want playmaking ability, as much as possible. Legs, arm, combination, I don’t care.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 16, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Accuracy is far more important than running ability
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 17, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
All I meant is that the game seems to have passed by a Marino/Manning statuesque, hyper accurate QB, the college game at least.
Trading off a few % points of accuracy for mobility, as long as they do not morph into a large increase in INTs, would be my preference.
I think we can agree that even the threat of a run can do wonders for the offense. My own guess is that it would also help the pace of the offense improve.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Kiel may not be a dangerous runner
But he’s got better mobility than Rees. He won’t be a threat to take off like EG would be, but he looks like can move well enough to escape a collapsing pocket, tuck it and gain some yards with his feet, or do enough to keep the D honest against a zone read.
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
His mobility is still suspect to me.
The competition in Indiana was not that fierce, and that could go either way.
1. If it is so easy to pass on the defense, why bother to expose yourself to injury, or
2. If you are bigger than most of the opposing Linebackers, why aren’t you running for more yards/higher average.
All in all, his mobility is on a “prove it to me” probationary period. His accolades for accuracy are well justified. We’ll see what happens in the B&G Game.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
He looked agile enough in the Army All-American game
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
really? Why?
Please don’t say Fuller is a better fit for BK’s offense because that is nonsense.
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 17, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
did I say that?
I’d prefer to have a kid come in who’s looking to sit and learn, not play right away. Fuller clearly is going to come in with an attitude of watch and learn. Kiel, I’m not convinced.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 17, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather have the kid with the skills
Fuller is a big time project, he may or may not ever morph into a college QB. Kiel is a much lower risk and is not immobile (or statuesque as one put it) as some here seem to think.
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 19, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not questioning Kiel's skills.
I’m questioning the wisdom that bringing in the OMG 5 STAR is always the best idea. 3 times over the past decade, ND has had issues when there were too many QB’s jockeying for position. Saying “oh bring them in and the best will rise to the top, the others can transfer if they can’t handle it” doesn’t account for what that does to a locker room. Splitting reps between 3-4 kids to see “who is best” minimizes the work each of them gets. That was a big part of the problem last year, and what I’ve said needs to happen this year is EG (or AH, but I don’t think it will be AH) be named the starter first week of spring, and given as many first team reps as he can get. Now, if we add GK, it’s going to be an open spring, because you can’t bring in the #1 QB recruit in the spring without giving him a shot to see what he can do. If you give him a shot, you have to give AH and TR equal shots. And now, you’ve got a first-year starting QB, whoever wins the job, going into the fall and maybe into the season with 1/4 of the reps when he could have had 3/4. I don’t understand why Kiel vs. Fuller is even being asked, because that’s not the question—it’s Kiel vs. Golson that’s the debate. I’d rather have a kid who through for over 11,000 yards and 151 TD’s in his career playing against Jadeveon Clowney-type competition get the majority of first team reps and be ready for the Fall than “ooh shiny new toy”.
The major criticism I have of Kelly at this point is that he waited entirely too long over the last year to decide on a QB and stick with him. More reps in the spring or fall may have made Crist or Rees better than they played, or pushed Hendrix or Golson in front. What I want most for next year is to NOT REPEAT THIS SAME MISTAKE. Rees is not capable of being a top-flight QB. Hendrix might be, but needs a lot of work and I’m not convinced from what I’ve seen that he’s really a top-level QB. Golson set records against fantastic competition. Everything I see from him tells me he’s a Charlie Ward waiting to happen (yes, I did steal that from Coach D on Power Hour). But he needs those reps. Bringing in GK creates competition and indecision when what is needed for ANY of the QB’s to be good is a decisive choice by BK and as many reps as humanly possible.
But, whatever. It’s all about recruiting stars and these kids are all interchangeable parts just like on NCAA Football 2012. I’m sure it will all be fine.
/Tommy Rees starts Navy game because no other QB has had enough reps to “get the system down”.
//KG jumps off a cliff
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 19, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, KG...
If only life were that simple in ND Land…
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Kiel is better than Fuller, by a wide margin
Teams with better talent usually are better teams and getting Kiel, easily the best QB available, should make the team better, so it is hard to understand the “logic” of wanting the inferior player, especially when the argument is it will create too much competition. Competition usually shows you what you have got. Bringing in Kiel raises the level of competition and that should make the team better. Competition will show who the best player is, and making the right decision is far more important than making a quick one.
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Well yes
And no.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 20, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I tend to agree that although it will crowd the depth chart and possibly cause a transfer, taking the number one qb in the land will result in a net benefit.
If anyone transfers, they weren’t good enough to start and it will free up a spot on the depth chart.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
There are certainly plenty of negative scenarios
I think there is plenty to the idea that bringing in someone who could be developed slowly is the best idea.
Scenario: Golson proves he’s the best this spring and is the starter through 2012. He plays very well. Kiel decides to transfer. Golson gets hurt for a long time. Kiel plays very well at his new school, etc.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 20, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
If only life were this simple, Mouth.
Reps reps reps. Instead of dividing them by 2, now you’re dividing them by 4. Which is exactly the opposite of what these QB’s need, any of them.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 20, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
They won't be divided by 4
What is your indication that this is a 4 man, 25% each race this spring/summer?
It’s going to be quickly pared down to a two-man competition. I really don’t think Kiel will be much of a part of it at this point.
I envy your faith.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 20, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with Al. Maybe each QB gets equal reps for a couple days, but I doubt that lasts, and I doubt Kiel gets a share equal to that of the other three guys.
Read the interview with Kiel’s dad. They realize that this is D1 football, that it is highly competitive, and that GK may need to wait a few years to start.
You’re really being a gloomy gus considering that we reeled in the nation’s number one QB. Should Coach Kelly have told Gunner to go pound sand when Kiel wanted to commit, Kelly had an open scholarship, and there was no quarterback in this class? We can talk Fuller all we want, but we were fighting just to get an official visit. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, no?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 20, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
It is surprising the negativity here about landing the top QB in the country
hard to figure, really
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 21, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
You're preaching to the choir.
People just need to sit back and enjoy (a) the quality depth we have at QB (b) that we just reeled in the number one qb in the land, and © that we’re going to have an entertaining qb battle to write about, argue over, and comment on ad nauseam. It’s the reason we spend our time here.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 21, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
It's a little surprising to me, too. I get it, though.
Kiel is a great get, by any measure. However, I think, as others have said, 2011 messed with our confidence in Kelly’s ability to handle a stable of QBs.
2010 didn’t do much to stabilize anything because of Crist’s injury. Then from last spring right through to the end of this season, the QB situation has been unsettled and disappointing, despite our confidence that there’s a ton of talent among out QBs.
Were they not coached adequately? Was the depth chart handled poorly? Was playing time allotted unacceptably? Why couldn’t Kelly or Molnar or whoever get really good performance out of any of our QBs, when we believe they all have a lot of talent? Throwing Kiel into the mix just piles on the sense of uncertainty and thinly spread resources.
#figureitoutbobby
by fishoutofwater on Jan 21, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I have always believed
it is always better to get the best talent even if it does create some bruised feelings over potential playing time.
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
But this isn't about bruised feelings.
It’s about coaching. It’s about the ability to utilize resources (practice, reps, coaching, attention, game planning, game time decisions) in a way that successfully utilizes talent.
It you’ve got a world of talent but are unable to get it out on the field where and when you need it, what good does it do if it only muddies the waters? I’m thrilled about Kiel and agree with you that he’s a great get, I just also understand the concern about crowding and Kelly’s handling of it.
#figureitoutbobby
by fishoutofwater on Jan 21, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I have more faith in BK than you do
Yes, he probably could/should have handled this season differently in retrospect, and that is part of why I am not worried about practice reps as you are.
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 21, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’m really not voicing my personal views here, just explaining why others may be down on Kiel jumping into the fray. I’ve got a lot of confidence in Kelly, disappointing as the QB situation has been. He mostly did the best that could be done, and there are only about 2 or 3 decisions I wish he’d made differently relative to the QBs this year. I trust he can work with what he’s got. Just hope this year proves he’s better than last year’s outcome at that position.
#figureitoutbobby
by fishoutofwater on Jan 21, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
"You’re really being a gloomy gus "
No, I’m not. I’m expressing an opinion. I’m not trying to convince anyone else that they need to share it. Yet instead of saying “well, I disagree”, people want to tell me how much I’m wrong. I defend my position, and I’m gloomy and a pessimist. I’ve never said we shouldn’t have taken GK once he said he was coming. Forgive me that I’m not doing a jig. I suppose I’ll come back around Spring Practice when there is something worth talking about. I don’t care if people disagree with me—I do care if they talk to me as if I’m an idiot for expressing it. But I’m bumming everyone out, so I’ll just move on.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 22, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
KG I actually share your concern.
But I think the crux of that concern got sidetracked in the course of the discussion. It is pretty easy when it is Quinn vs. Sharpley. Now we have the following.
Rees- 2 year starter with a decent record. Flaws noted, but QBs tend to make the jump between Soph & Jr year.
Hendrix- Was raw this year but has a lot of upside. Big arm, can run the ball etc. How different would this look if Hendrix had been the EE vice Rees.
Golson- Our savior! Kidding, but we are all infatuated with the kid’s upside. Arm, wheels, big numbers against quality competition in High School. We all hope he ends up looking something like RGIII right? He might, but it may not be in 2012.
Kiel- Shiny new toy. Being an EE will help but he’s going to be so far behind those other 3 guys that I don’t think he’s a legitimate factor in 12.
Your underlying point about reps in the spring and in August is absolutely legit. BK almost has to whittle this thing down to a couple of primary players ASAP or else nobody is going to be ready to play. That old expression stands. If you have 2 QBs it means you have no QB. Well if you have 4 you really have no QB amirite?
We are going to beat this topic to death in the next 7 1/2 months then beat it some more. Why wouldn’t we? It is absolutely THE issue hanging on a 50lb chain around BK’s neck and the entire fan base knows it.
Don’t get frustrated with the discussion. You are far too valuable to the commentariat to disappear.
Do go pound many Longboards at Dick’s for me some time soon though. It has been too long for me.
whiskey
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No, I'm obviously not valuable, and my pessimism isn't welcome.
I typed an entirely TL;DR response to this, and canceled it, because only you and fishoutofwater seem to get what I’m saying, and the fact that I have concerns at all is entirely too “negative”. Repeating myself is pointless. My entire job is based on identifying worst-case scenarios and advising the higher ups how to avoid/deal with them. I don’t turn that off because “WOO 5-STAR”. Nothing is ever as good or as bad as it seems; a little over a month ago I was the one being called a Kelly apologist and too positive. At the beginning of the season I was a pessimist and negative when I said “hey guys, these 11-2/10-3 predictions of yours may be a tad too optimistic”. This discussion will go on for 7 more months, but nothing of value will come until they hit Spring Practice and the season, and we have something to talk about. At that point, maybe I’ll see something that changes my impressions, but right now, it’s obvious no one wants to hear about it. Anyone who wants to knows where to find me.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 22, 2012 4:50 AM EST up reply actions
I get what you are saying, I just don't buy it
big difference.
I believe having more talent is always better than not having more talent … you disagree, you see it as a problem.
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 22, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I get what you're saying KG
I get what you’re saying.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 22, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I was just having some fun with the "gloomy Gus" comment.
Your ideas are certainly valued, even if I think you’re being far too pessimistic about the QB situation. I thought we had a rapport such that we could make fun of each other.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 22, 2012 1:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Anyone ever had
a three QB rotation?
That said, I do think someone steps up and hands down wins the position. Much depends on the offseason preparation.
by Michael Collins on Jan 22, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
If MC thinks that someone will step up, then I feel better.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 22, 2012 1:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just call me
the Oracle of the Internet. BTW, Andrew Luck will be the first pick of the NFL draft.
by Michael Collins on Jan 22, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
don't go too far out on a limb
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 22, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
And again, this isn't about Kiel vs. Fuller. It's about Kiel vs. Golson, and division of very much needed reps.
But that’s okay, you go on ahead and ignore everything, because YAY 5 STARS
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 20, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
so you would have told Kiel to take his pledge and go elsewhere
if you were BK and he came calling this week?
I see what you’re saying about reps, and I think it’s a valid criticism of this year’s QB management by BK. But two things: first, I highly doubt that a clear-cut starting QB doesn’t emerge out of this mess by the fall (come on Golson!). I could be completely wrong, but I think Kelly redshirted Golson for a reason. Second, BK has made it clear he likes to take a QB every year if he can. This year, the number one pro-style QB in the country said at the last minute that he wanted to enroll early and play at ND. You say it’s not about “kiel vs. fuller” but above you said
“I’m still going on record as I’d rather have Fuller.”
If GK isn’t better than Golson, he won’t start. If he doesn’t start, he should be content with taking a redshirt. If he isn’t, he’ll transfer. Yes, it’s possible that some reps are split, but that’s the case with every program without Andrew Luck or some such QB demigod.
by Danno27 on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather have Fuller because I don't think he's ready to play next year, so doesn't upset the applecart.
It’s not that I think Fuller is BETTER, which is what is insinuated. Fuller is versatile—if he doesn’t play at QB, he can play elsewhere. If Kiel doesn’t play at QB, he’s not going to play.
“If GK isn’t better than Golson, he won’t start. If he doesn’t start, he should be content with taking a redshirt. If he isn’t, he’ll transfer. Yes, it’s possible that some reps are split, but that’s the case with every program without Andrew Luck or some such QB demigod.”
“SHOULD” is not a word I’d put much faith in. Yes, he SHOULD. How many kids who are #1 QB in the country are content to sit behind someone else for 4 years before getting their shot? 0.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 20, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's sort of fair, but also sort of not what I was saying
You say “how many kids who are #1 QB in the country are content to sit behind someone else for 4 years before getting their shot?” Aren’t we getting ahead of ourselves? Who said anything about 4 years? A five-star kid who accepts a scholarship at the QB position, who is not suited to play other positions, SHOULD transfer if he gets zero or little playing time in four years (see, e.g., Dayne Crist). But that’s a ways down the road. There is plenty of time in the interim to let things sort themselves out. In the meantime, you’ve got the #1 QB in the class, who gives you leverage with offensive skill recruits such as Neal. I doubt Kiel transfers after not playing his freshman year. I guarantee you BK told him that if he was the best QB, he would play. Let that play out.
Also, you didn’t answer my question – if you are BK, would you have told the #1QB in the country that you’d rather have the possibility of Fuller rather than him? I doubt it, but correct me if I’m wrong.
I guess my point is this: your reasons for not liking the Kiel commitment (other than the reps-split-four-ways issue, which doesn’t seem all that realistic, are a bridge we don’t cross for a couple of years.
So, who plays QB in 2012 doesn't have any bearing on 2013, 2014, or 2015?
Okay. Personally, I would think that if a player with 3-4 years of eligibility starts and plays well all year, it’s going to be that much harder for one of the others to unseat him the next year. Had Tommy Rees been a good QB for us this year, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. The only reason the starter next year won’t also start in 2013 and 2014 at least is if he sucks or he gets injured.
And no, I’ve never said we should tell GK to pound sand. Yes, he wants to come, you take him. I fail to see how my concerns indicate I would tell him to go away. He could be great. He could cause turmoil and divide reps. I look at the down side, because don’t you see, I’m a pessimist.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 22, 2012 4:56 AM EST up reply actions
just read the exchanges above
speaking for myself, I wasn’t trying to attack you personally, just your premise. Apologies if it came off that way.
Does this actually make sense to you?
ND would be better off with Fuller, a much less talented player who would not even commit to a visit because he might not whine? Really?
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 21, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
This is my first post on this board.
I agree with your analysis of Coach Kelly, yet cannot help thinking that you are being just a little too nice.
When he decided to switch QB’s against FSU, it was all over. That sent a clear message of no confidence.
When things go bad, … and they will. …Coaches always talk about staying cool under pressure….etc.
One thing is for certain. Coach Kelly is not a “sideline” coach. He can’t take the pressure.
Welcome to the conversation.
The more voices and viewpoints the better.
That said, I don’t think I would label Kelly as not being able to take the pressure. The QB situation this year was complex to put it mildly. Crist looked like Cougar, Rees turned it over too much and Hendrix was still a little raw.
Hopefully it gets a little more clear cut next fall but there will be much discussion on that topic between now and then. Who am I kidding? This topic is might stay hot for a couple of years with the 4 QBs we now have in the stable.
whiskey
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by whiskey OFD on Jan 22, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Fuller made the decision...
to take his fifth official visit to Notre Dame today, but is now reconsidering due to the developing Gunner Kiel situation
Constructive criticism:
Love the gif, first off. Second, we’re trying to watch the profanity, so maybe next time, why not write something like, "I have a message for our friend Urban: (post gif).)
by Mouth of the South on Jan 16, 2012 6:23 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Since the comments on the New Rules are closed
This is football right? Passion, love, hate, emotion? Don’t we collectively thumb our nosesat the “olden domers” who sit at each game quietly, do not cheer, and show no emotion during a game; those who take in a game at ND expecting a quiet picnic atmosphere?
OK, so I abuse the f word. A rough count indicates about 10 times on this site. I apologize if I have offended. It is not my house, not my rules.
Does this apply to the implied but still oft stated WTF, f*ck, f***, etc? What others are verboten?
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I defer to Whiskey on that one...
but the one rule to keep in mind is just use common sense.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
That may have come off a little more bitter than I meant
But you guys have started setting etiquette rules, and that eliminates common sense as a guideline.
To me, it does not cross the line of common sense to give Urban Meyer, a man I have never met nor will I likely ever meet him, a big middle finger .jpg (and to spell out what it clearly means) when he poaches a valued recruit. If the pic is acceptable, why not the words?
To me, it doesn’t cross the line when the team blunders away a game with turnovers. Judging by the game day open threads, it seems perfectly apt to curse when winnable games are being left on the field.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Gameday threads are more wide open.
Profanity directed at another reader, writer, or commenter is unacceptable and grounds for banishment to the Wheel of Pain. There are ladies and youngsters who frequent the site, so F-bombs, etc. that are not directed at readers or commenders are still strongly discouraged. funny gifs, profanity still discouraged. Special characters, redactions, etc—WTF, F¥$!, or [expletive deleted] are fair game but not if directed at another reader or commenter. Notice a theme? We want everyone to feel comfortable and welcome, excessive profanity makes some uncomfortable, and you don’t NEED profanity to express yourself. It’s more challenging to go without. In short, be as passionate as you feel you must, but this aint the locker room. We know that you guys are smart enough to be witty, insightful, and funny without resorting to profanity outside of excited gameday utterances.
It’s funnier when you redact the profanity anyway—have you ever seen Jimmy Fallons segment where he bleeps out stuff that isn’t profanity? Hilarious.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 11:44 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I accept all of the above except
Jimmy Fallon. Nothing he has ever done can be considered funny.
It would be like comparing Jack-in-the-Box to Inn-n-Out or 5-guys.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if serious
Fallon is very funny….I love his show.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not very serious
trying to get past all the serious words and re-inject levity. However, I have not watched him since SNL. I was not truly impressed then, but he was better than other recent Weekend Report Chairs.
HEY, How about them Armsteads? Any word?
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Watch this and tell me Jimmy Fallon isn't funny
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 17, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7iQWqHEG6A
forgot to add the link…
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 17, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Phew, thank you
I thought you were serious.
I don’t think he was a great SNL cast member, but he was good.
His late night show is really, really good though.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I generally agree, but the segment is very funny.
I assume his writers came up with it anyway.
And I specifically eschew rehashing the burger debate.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 1:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
....
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
you're outta line, McGarnagle.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 4:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
if only common sense was all that common
clearly it is not.
If one has to drop an f-bomb to make your point, you probably do not have much of a point.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 19, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
An f-bomb can also act as an emotional exclamation point, whether or not an actual arguement is being made,
and that was how I used it. There was no larger point to make, just an emotional exclamation of distaste for Coach Meyer. It also fits the case that any perjorative for a rival conveys, like U$C, ScUM, Catholics vs Convicts/Condoms/Creminoles (and other rhyming holes).
I’ll admit, not the most intelligent post I have ever made, but the trite musings on common sense are just as thin on insight. In the end, the gents that run this spot have asked us to refrain, so I will. Their house, and their rules are now clearly stated.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly the main reason I posted those "rules" that way with the comments turned off
was because I needed the FanPost to link at the bottom of the widget in the top right hand corner. That way after it is archived it will still be available from there. We just wanted to have something out there that everyone could use as a point of departure in case we ever need it down the road. To this point we haven’t ever really needed it as everyone does a great job keeping it in the box around here.
Mouth did a good job of summarizing it below. Context matters. So game threads are totally understandable. Personal attacks are never ok, and profanity in conjunction with one would definitely have to result in a suspension. Everything else kind of falls into the “take it easy” category. Just use common sense and try to avoid it becoming a full blown trend. Make sense?
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
by whiskey OFD on Jan 17, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
way to stay classy
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 17, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
"I have a message for our friend lookingdeadred"
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
still waiting
maybe you understand discretion is the better part of valor
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 19, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
That was the joke
Constructive criticism:
Love the gif, first off. Second, we’re trying to watch the profanity, so maybe next time, why not write something like, "I have a message for our friend Urban: (post gif).)
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
ah, I get it now.
Funny if intended in good humor and fun.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It was, but Mr. LDR has continued to troll.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
clowns who drop f-bombs have no right to call anyone else a troll.
you gotta grow up some time
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Why don't you girls kiss and make up.
We’re all friends here. LDR is a contrarian, not a troll. Cranked is also not a troll. He just hates Urban Meyer, which is the right, moral, just, and natural way for an Irish fan to feel.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
His opinion of Urban Meyer is not the issue
it is his junior high maturity
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Because we all know grown men never swear
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
by Publius2010 on Jan 20, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
when they have nothing intelligent to say
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
How much does this affect
the way that Darby or Decker consider re-committing? If they’re seeing two of the best prospects in the country jumping on the ND wagon, would they feel compelled to join?
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 16, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions
Kiel is Irish.
If anyone still didn’t believe it, I am about 95% sure he’s ours.
/famous last words
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 16, 2012 6:39 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Get outta here with your 95%, you.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 16, 2012 6:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fine I'm all in
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 16, 2012 6:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
And thusly did Inigo Montoya seal his fate.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 16, 2012 7:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Green'd
for perfection.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
Danno27 = the six-fingered man
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
7 recs is a lot.
In the Book of Revelation, the number seven symbolized perfection and the second coming, soooo…. I guess we should bow down.
Also, this quote must now be Inigo Montoya’s signature block. So let it be written, so let it be done.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhh--LSU just got served.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Great...we weren't even Shaq's Maid of Honor...
Just read over at ESPN a quote from Shaq Thompson about Cal’s Lupoi departing for Washington.
…definitely going to look at Washington now, that was my second choice after Cal all along.
Ouch Shaq…take it easy…we have feelings too you know.
Those poor fans over at Berkeley are panicking in a big way!
I think he follows Tosh there honestly...
A couple Cal commits will look hard at USC and Stanford.
This is much much worse than Warinner and Hinton leaving… Tosh was a legend there.
Keep your fingers crossed for the Armsteads and Kiel. I won’t believe anything for sure until they show up on a campus.
Could you see
Kiel saying LSU wasn’t even his second choice? The only line that matters is the goal line.
by Michael Collins on Jan 16, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
kind of--see danno27 above.
I didn’t get his joke until I read yours. I thought he was spelling it in a Spanish accent.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 16, 2012 10:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Only a matter of time before the Urban Renewal Project steals Gunner away too...
May God have mercy on my enemies, because I won't
-Patton
by Three and Eight-Elevenths Men on Jan 16, 2012 8:48 PM EST reply actions
Like all other Urban Renewal Projects,
we will probably see that it was steeped in corruption in five years, after everything falls apart. Can’t wait!
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 16, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Remember when
Meyer decommitted, then flipped back to Florida and reassured all the recruits that he would be there forever. Initially, his health problems were a sign from God. His second resignation was for his family.
Columbus needs to brace itself.
I respect the tough decision Taylor Decker has to make. But the reasons he chose ND first are all still there. Coaches come and go, and Warinner may well jump to a head coach position within a year or two.
by Michael Collins on Jan 16, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Armond and Arik will be announcing tomorrow...
and Arik has eliminated Cal according to Armond Armstead.
He also confirmed they are attending school together...
so putting 2 and 2 together means ND or Auburn.
Also Armond is still on campus and not leaving...
also Auburn started classes a week ago. Also, I don’t know how they could possibly be anything but Irish tomorrow.
I love you
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 16, 2012 10:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Stop the Press!!!
Just heard from a current ND student over at www.notredamefans.com regarding Gunner Kiel:
“He is currently on campus and will room in O’Neill Hall.”
I’ve asked the student to confirm if this is first-hand knowledge or what he’s hearing around campus.
This is getting nutsy!!!
it's completely true
He’s been texting with Zack Martin and he is in fact going to attend ND
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 16, 2012 10:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Reported by Douglas Farmer of the ND school paper, The Observer,
Kiel is on campus, officially enrolled and set to move into O’Neil Hall
It's totally true.
He’s my roomate. He won’t quit eating my peanut butter and every time I come back from playing ultimate on the quad, there’s a tie on our door knob.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Next Five Wide Fullbacks question
Would you rather have Decker and Darby back, or Kiel and Armstead bros.? (this is not in any way saying either of them are guaranteed to come, so I am not jinxing us)
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 16, 2012 11:51 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
well since I am feeling that we will be getting Yuri Wright and that getting the Armsteads
allows Jaron Jones to go to OT then I am much happier getting the Armsteads and Kiel.
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 16, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent question...
Eric—put this in the 5WF queue.
If anyone else has things they would like us to debate and discuss, feel free to submit in one way or another (reply, fan shot, email, etc)
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Into the queue it goes
I actually was thinking of this same exact question as well.
Mad props MNIIM.
Also, does anyone else automatically sing the line from Cream’s “Badge” when they see the word, queue?
“She didn’t have the time to wait at the queue.”
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
tough call
Kiel is a potential stud, but Darby has the look of a future Deion Sanders or Charles Woodson. Is it too much to want both?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 17, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Coaches were at
Darby’s house last night.
Joey O’Connor, who decommitted from Penn State, received his verbal offer from Notre Dame while visiting Ohio State last weekend. O’Connor has narrowed his choices to OSU (OV-1/13) and Cal (1/27).
by Michael Collins on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
For all those feeling as though Notre Dame is losing recruits
Kiel is the third major recruit LSU has lost over the last several weeks. Denzel Devall, the No. 5 inside linebacker in the country out of Bastrop, committed to Alabama on Dec. 7. And Landon Collins, the No. 1 safety in the nation out of Dutchtown High just 20 minutes from LSU’s campus, committed to Alabama on Jan. 5 – just four days before Alabama beat LSU 21-0 in the Superdome in New Orleans for the BCS national championship.
by Michael Collins on Jan 17, 2012 12:16 AM EST reply actions
happens to everybody
but we only notice it when it happens to ND. Great point!!!
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 17, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Article on Tosh Lupoi's (from Cal) hiring by Washington
Washington hires Tosh Lupoi as Defensive Line coach
Like the rest of the Pac-12, UW is flush with money from the conference’s new 12-year TV deal, which will mean an average of roughly $20 million more per year for each school. Washington State cited that money in its aggressive hire of new head coach Mike Leach.
Washington, meanwhile, is pouring the money into its defensive coaching staff, hoping to fix the side of the ball that was threatening to stall Sarkisian’s rebuilding process.
Lupoi was named Rivals’ Recruiter of the Year in 2010. Here’s the list of who he as recruited to Cal this year including some familiar names.
Jordan Payton has said he may look around, specifically UCLA. Michigan boards are hopeful. Armstead, of course. Shaq Thompson is quoted as saying: “I am 50-50 between Cal and Washington.”
Washington hired away Tenn’s Justin Wilcox as DC, Peter Simon from Tenn for LB coach and Keith Hayward, Oregon State for DB coach.
by Michael Collins on Jan 17, 2012 12:51 AM EST reply actions
Tennessee certainly bled some assistant coaches this year, didn't they?
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yes,
and maybe they will lose one more…
by Michael Collins on Jan 18, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Lost another one today
Lance Thompson (DL coach) returned to Ala
Charlie Baggett (WR coach) retired
Justin Wilcox (DC) and Peter Sirmon (LB) left for Washington
Eric Russell (TE) left for Washington State
Harry Hiestand (OL) left for ND
Lost five. Have hired two – Sal Sunseri (DC) from Ala, and Sam Pittman (OL) from NC
Openings – WR coach, DL coach, TE coach
Wilcox and Sirmon are from the Northwest (Oregon and Washington, respectively). Plus, Pac12 TV money would increase their salaries.
Thompson has ties to Saban and Ala and probably wanted the DC job that went to Sunseri.
by Michael Collins on Jan 21, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
Sarkissian is making UW into a beast
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Lou S's article on decommitments over the years
by Michael Collins on Jan 17, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions
It's official
Gunner Kiel is IRISH. Press release from UND.com confirms this and there is a statement attached from Gunner officially stating a few sketchy details about his recruitment.
God, Country, Notre Dame
by goldeNDomer0209 on Jan 17, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
On Andrades...
he will visit ND next week but, told ISD he doesn’t expect an offer. Reason being ND has informed him (Martin home visit) they expect a commitment from a WR higher on their board.
I like this one.
Keep this one handy, because it is what we’ll be doing on signing day.
I’d also like to find one of like and evil-looking dude twisting his mustache, or Dr. Claw or something.
We’ll have so many badasses coming in that we can just sit back and stroke our cat like evil geniuses.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like a good kid...
didn’t read or see much, but everything I did was very positive. I wish him nothing but the best regardless of where he ends up
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Do they expect a commitment from a WR?
Or they can’t offer yet because of other possible commitments? Irish Illustrated has reported that he doesn’t expect an offer because ND only has a few spots left but if those spots aren’t filled by others, he expects to get one. They have nothing regarding him being told about a commitment from another WR.
You are correct
My error. Iish Ill. does mention Agholor and Neal as WRs already offered , who if they accepted would take Andrdades off the board. Hardly overly encouraging.
What if
Yuri Wrights fills our CB slot and Ronald Darby is our slot receiver?
Not saying that Darby comes back to us, but just imagining. We have scholarships, but they are getting filled and we want to put the most talented group on the field. With Kelly’s Skill, Big Skill and Big philosophy, there’s a lot of flexibility and time to learn new positions with good coaching.
by Michael Collins on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 PM EST reply actions
Oh how I wish Darby would play offense
But I just want him back in the fold regardless!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yuri Wright's
tweets may end up biting him in the arse. It’s said they cost him his scUM offer and might his ND offer.
The tweets in question
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
The Damn!
Plus the “Look Who’s Popular” bandwidth fail
work together well as their own message.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Will he also claim that his twitter account was hacked?
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
agreed. will hill without comedy factor.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hard to say anything more than he did already without crossing the "Bagging on Recruits" taboo.
I will add the “alleged” caveat. Those tweets are represented as his, but it is possible (though not likely) that they have been written by someone else.
I would have assumed that a coach would have gotten him to knock this off. It isn’t like Don Bosco is a stranger to high level D1A recruiting. The date stamps on the cherry picked tweets run from July all the way through the US Army Bowl. From his own (alleged) words, his pops probably isn’t much help.
I would hope that, if ND does reel him in, the change of scenery would do him wonders for the rest of his life.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say it's a taboo.
A taboo, according to dictionary.com, is
a prohibition or interdiction of anything; exclusion from use or practice. Synonyms: ban, proscription, embargo, interdiction; no-no.
It’s more of a common-sense recommendation. The kids that we discuss are just that, kids. They do stupid things. We recommend giving them a break, where appropriate.
These tweets are definitely bag-worthy, and should be condemned—without condemning the person, who is a kid that we don’t know personally. Maybe no one ever taught him that it is neither appropriate nor intelligent to speak like that in public. Hard to believe for you and I, but possible.
In short, taboo denotes a proscription, which is not exactly true. It’s more of a recommendation because we think that it is better to reside in an online community in which we don’t do an inordinate amount of bagging on 18-22 year old kids. The qualifier “inordinate” is where the leeway and deference to common sense come in.
I don’t think anyone is inordinately bagging on the kid in this case, FWIW.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 18, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
This is important.
I will add the "alleged" caveat. Those tweets are represented as his, but it is possible (though not likely) that they have been written by someone else.
If it turns out he didn’t do these tweets, anyone disseminating them could responsible for libeling the guy, ruining his college career, and could be successfully sued. Indeed, at the end of the comments to this post on the UM blog, one commentator points out that the guy posting the article is of suspect credibility.
I don’t know much about how you can authenticate a “tweet” as coming from a particular person, but be careful everyone about repeating this kind of information. I realize that the internet was invented to give an outlet to unsubstantiated rumors, but this is a serious accusation to make and should be carefully vetted before it is made, or indeed, republished.
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on Jan 18, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
At least we'll always have Will Hill
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
by Publius2010 on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Watch out, St. Mary's
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
I feel a new nickname for Mr. Wright:
Yuri “When a girls squirts that’s not an organism” Wright
As the twitterati would say, #SMH, Yuri… #SMH.
In his defense,
that’s what the teacher told him
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Twitter accounts
are negatively affecting recruiting this year.
You post because you want others to see your remarks. If your life/career options are limited because of them….
We all remember why Arik A. dropped USC, too.
by Michael Collins on Jan 18, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
From Irish Envy commentator SoJerseyIrish:
Son, we live in a world that has recruits, and those recruits have to be guarded by men with charisma. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lt. condoms SUCK? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for LSU, and you curse the Fighting Irish. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That LSU’s loss, while tragic, probably saved our recruiting class. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, brings in talent. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that recruit, you need me on that recruit. We use words like 5 star, playing time, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a season spent defending our name. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very recruiting that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a telephone, and start recruiting. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Bravo, sir.
Sky rockets in flight.
Bios on new coaches
Harry Hiestand, OL coach
Bobby Elliott, DB Coach (son of Bump Elliott?)
by Michael Collins on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions
Hiestand's bio is impressive.
The NFL pedigree and experience in the SEC and PAC-12 can only serve to help him. And the NFL pedigree could really impress incoming recruits. What’s the analysis on Elliot?
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Funky eyebrows
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
MC any chance you can turn this into its own FanPost?
This is something we should discuss further.
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
by whiskey OFD on Jan 18, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Final Rivals 250 is out
Kiel #20
Greenberry #49
Shepard #76
Shumate #113
Russell #124
Stanley #176
Mahone #197
Jones #199
Day #244
Sky rockets in flight.
Respectable showing.
How many other schools have this many?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 18, 2012 3:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think Michigan has the same amount
And I believe 4 or 5 schools have just as many or more too (Bama, Texas, FSU, etc.)
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 18, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
yet were ranked #15...
I have a hard time respecting rivals this year, because they just keep dropping us. Not that the rank of the class really matters just from a site, but still…
For Rivals, it is also a total numbers game.
If you take in more recruits, like Michigan this year and Alabama every year, you go higher on the rankings. Their average rating (per recruit) is lower than most of the others in the top 10.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, like Virginia Tech may have 20 Three Stars and 2 four stars.
Say we have 6 Four Stars, 1 Five Star, and 9 Three stars—Virginia Tech will be ranked higher just because they have more commits.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 18, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Scout's take (Rival's)
Quite a Divergence on some
Kiel # 38 (20)
Greenberry # 46 (49)
Shepard # 39 (76)
Shumate # 55 (113)
Russell # UNR – #24 RB (124)
Stanley # 66 (176)
Mahone # UND – #23 RB (197)
Jones # UNR – #28 OT (199)
Day # 50 (244)
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
Armsteads
Armond has announced that he will start graduate school classes at USC tomorrow. He hopes to resume his playing career by transfering over the summer, mentioning ND and Auburn. Other schools are calling, too. Wants to take time for his decision. (article link)
As for the stress
,“Everything became too rushed. Too much to do, too little time, too much stress. I’m taking everything step by step. I am relieved – dealing with all the drama, a side show, everyone freaking out (fans across the country). It’s not really fun. The fun thing is going to school, playing ball. People lose sight of that.”
As for Arik, he will announce on National Signing Day.
“Different loops, twists and things to go through. It’s too gut wrenching so I’ll take more time to decide. There’s a lot of stuff to think about. This is the biggest decision of my life.”
Arik enrolled at Cal, Auburn and ND in hopes of starting classes this week – and playing basketball. Since he has graduated and now won’t enroll until the fall, he’ll be thinking about his choices at home and forgo the EE and basketball this semester. Oregon may also be a possibility.
by Michael Collins on Jan 18, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions
Yeah that was disappointing
I really think Arik was going to commit to Cal until Tosh left.
The Armond thing does not make any sense to me and suggests that he may not have been medically cleared by the medical staffs (at least not yet, not early enough to enroll for the spring – with Auburn they may just be waiting to see if a waiver goes through – I cant imagine it will though honestly because the SEC just passed the Masoli rule). If it’s his choice, he’s putting himself at a huge disadvantage by not coming into a new team in the spring to learn the defense and prove he’s ready after a year off to be a starter or to crack the 2 deep. I imagine he would jump at the opportunity to be at either school if everything went through. I could absolutely be wrong (I have before).
Just overall very disappointing after 247 projected we would get the both of them.
Thought he had to rule out
any Pac-12 school transfer due to their rules about sitting out a year, which supercedes the NCAA rule about having graduated.
I wonder if they got around it by his medical redshirt year. Wouldn’t that bite Kiffen. Still, it’s the call of the doctors in the end.
by Michael Collins on Jan 18, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Armond, of course.
Arik has all his choices, as you pointed out.
by Michael Collins on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Does USC have the ability to restrict his transfer decision
Like they did with Prater, or is that off the table since he has graduated?
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Some of us are wary of Kiel's level of commitment
Because it looks like he made 2-3 impulsive choices. It seems to raise the risk level of transfer if things do not go according to plan. KG, especially, said he would rather Gunner take the extra few weeks, not enroll early, and figure his decision out. If he commits to ND, then have a great spring and we’ll see you in the summer. If not, then good luck on the road you picked.
That is what is seems the Armstead brothers are doing. Sure, I think it lowers our chances of getting Arik or both, but I feel I need to commend them for taking the time to do it right. If the artificial deadline (early enroll dates) is getting in the way of making a good decision, then let it go. Make the good decision, not the best one you can fit in while trying to enroll early.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
THIS. REC'd
Take the bloody time to make your decision. Go past signing day if you have to. It’s your life, and you have to live with the choice.
I’m glad that moms have power over their sons, because 9 times out of 10 mom will choose ND over the competition. That said, if a kid wants to go to LSU, but mom twists his arm at the last minute to stay close to home, that’s…not healthy.
#teamGolson
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Notre Dame Fightin' Irish + Hawaii Warriors
The Japanese History Podcast
by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 19, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hansen tries to discredit this account of what went down in his piece on Kiel's commitment.
By his take, Kiel was talking to Kelly all along and called him a week ago, ready to switch. It wasn’t like a decision he suddenly made on Monday at his mom’s urging as he was about to head to the airport, contrary to LSU fan tales. At least that’s the way Kelly and Kiel, via Hansen, are having it told.
#figureitoutbobby
by fishoutofwater on Jan 19, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not in the room with him and his mom, I don't know what was or wasn't said or done when.
My comment is to be taken more generally. If how it seems to have happened is not how it happened, then good for him. It’s still not a decision to make over the course of a week, if you’re not sure what you want.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 19, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Those faculty lounge donuts getting to you?
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
More like the late nights drinking threeve Sun Drops
and dining hall food.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Jan 20, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, who are we to tell him how long he should take on his decision?
And I say this having my own doubts about whether he’ll work out at ND.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 20, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly what I was thinking
/Rec’d.
but better put than the way I was saying it to myself. When you throw in the added complexity of basketball and/or possibly playing with your brother, the decision is going to be difficult. They’re doing the right thing in not just throwing caution to the winds. Sometimes that works, but often it doesn’t.
Good grief
He is an 18 year kid old trying to make the biggest decision of his young life
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
And the point was take the time to make the right one, whether or not it is ND.
To miss the early enroll deadline, but make a good, long term decision is better than making a poor decision in time to make it to Spring classes.
It is the biggest decision of his life so far. I was commending the Armsteads for reassessing their previous decision, to enroll for the spring semester somewhere, when they (collectively or separately) could not comfortably come to a decision. The recent and high profile contrast, from a fan’s perspective, to their measured approach to a college/grad school decision was Kiel’s method.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 20, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Just because we found out about it at the last second...
doesn’t mean that he made it at the last second. Read the Chicago Tribune article with his father. It sheds a little light on things from their point of view. Sounds like they took plenty of time to make the right decision, the major reason he looks like the unflattering adjectives people are using to describe him is because of the ridiculous process that recruiting has become. I don’t think his thought process was much different than most other recruits, the difference is he is the number one QB, and number one QBs are supposed to commit NOW!!!!! despite the difficulty and number of factors in the decision.
Nothing is going to change in the next couple weeks or months, he is still going to have the same cost-benefit analysis, he has already evaluated everything, so what is more time going to do? It doesn’t make the decision any easier.
The same pressures are applied to a #1 OT/DL recruit
I thought I had addressed that by saying the contrast was merely from a fan’s perspective, but OK, point taken.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
It's not the same pressure...
QBs are different.
The Armsteads didn’t commit because Armond isn’t yet cleared to play at either ND or Auburn.
Does that have to do with a late application?
Or is it medical clearance they are waiting for? Just curious to hear what is being said…
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Not sure...
but there is someone on the II boards that is inside the program and said that as of now, the Armsteads don’t know where they can play, insinuating that he has not been cleared yet. The implication is that it is medical.
I'm surprised in this day and age how well they've protected his medical diagnosis
From doing some digging most USC folks seem to think he had a blood clot. If this was the case in and of itself he would be out for 3-6 months on blood thinners.
The kicker, however, is if doctors performed blood tests for clotting problems (it’s been rumored he had a ‘blood disorder’ too) and found he had a predisposition to getting blood clots. If that’s the case, doctors may have recommended a longer course (even up to lifetime) blood thinners. Contact sports are absolutely contraindicated if you are on blood thinners.
It’s also relatively rare to find doctors who operate at that level who will disagree with one another when it comes to potential life threatening issues.
The rumors on other sites as well seem to indicate ND and Auburn doctors may not have cleared Armond either. But we’ll likely never know for sure.
Isn't that what sidelined
Nebraska’s Tommy Frazier many moons ago? Blood clots kept developing, his senior year, behind his knee or something?
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Redmond
is 100% Mississippi State, canceling any other official visits. Says he will be glad when he can sign because he is tired of the rumors.
by Michael Collins on Jan 18, 2012 10:29 PM EST reply actions
Apparently Garnett elimintated ND
It is now either Stanford (leader) or Michigan. This could be just a rumor, I haven’t checked anything as of yet…
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Just read the Seattle Times Article from yesterday
and Garnett had a top 3 with ND included. Have not heard us missing the cut to 2.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
A second Cal Berkeley coach
has gone to Washington, WR coach Eric Kiesau
He recruited Darius Powe and would have been the position coach for Jordan Payton and Bryce Treggs as well. Payton was recruited by Tosh Lupoi.
by Michael Collins on Jan 19, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions
You think we can swoop in and make a steal?
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 19, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Treggs said things similar to Decker...
he isn’t planning on opening up his recruitment, he just wants to see who the new WR coach is and evaluate from there. BUT he is considering UCLA and ND in addition to Cal. So I would imagine Denbrock will recruit him as though he were uncommitted at this point.
I think he had or is going to have an in-home with the coaching staff
Treggs said while Tosh didn’t impact his decision, Kiesau leaving was big for him. He’s still committed to Cal but he’s listening.
As more recruits leave for Washington, UCLA, the chances increase I think. But I still think he ends up staying with Cal.
What is going on at Cal and Washington?
Why are the Cal coaches jumping ship? And why are they all going to Washington? Is it just for a pay rasie? And why is Washington poaching all of Cal’s coaches? Do they want to be the new Cal, because I don’t think that’s a huge step up from where they are now…
One Foot Down
On teh Twitterz
It seemed
with the huge incoming class, that the good ship Cal had stopped actively sinking.
Why, then, choose that point to ditch out?
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah something doesn't seem right with this Cal-Washington ordeal
Of course Cal didn’t play very well this year, but Washington underperformed given they were supposed to be taking a step forward with Sark at the helm.
UW lost 6 games by an average of 20 points. Sure 5 of those losses were to ranked teams, but they also lost to….Oregon State, by 17 damn points. They barely beat Eastern Washington and Hawaii early in the year.
They did beat Cal by 8, but it just seems odd that those coaches are jumping ship like Washington just went 11-2 or something.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 19, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Supposedly
They offered Tosh about 3x his salary at Cal (about 500K now compared to something like 160K at Cal) – I think he was grossly underpaid there.
Also, it sounds like the new defensive coach for Washington worked over or coached both Tosh and UW’s new WR coach. So there’s a personal connection there as well.
I do like seeing that the elite talent in California is now being spread out instead of concentrating at USC and Cal.
It is money
both assistants are getting big bumps to go to UW
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
That makes sense
It’s just kind of strange that they’re ALL going to Washington.
One Foot Down
On teh Twitterz
Cal's football budget is very tight
but apparently UW’s pockets are quite deep.
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Because one of the two didn't bankrupt themselves with massive new athletic facilities
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
by Publius2010 on Jan 20, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
the facilities upgrades for the most part were needed at Cal
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
True, but the downside is that they spent so much on the facilities
that they don’t have the money for anything else, e.g., to retain talented assistants.
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
by Publius2010 on Jan 20, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
maybe so, but the facilities had to be upgraded
once that is done, and once the economy turns around (the state has slashed monies for the UCs), Cal will be able to offer competitive salaries.
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
and they immediately hired Wes Chandler to replace him
Treggs said he spoke with Chandler and will be staying.
Payton????
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 20, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
It looks like we're officially out with Fuller and he's not going to visit
Not a big surprise since Gunner is at ND.
I'll take Kiel, but I was dreaming of Fuller in this offense for a while there
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 19, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Poor kitty and Murtaugh.
It just breaks your heart.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Final ESPNU 150
Kiel #52
Shepard #90
Jones #102
Greenberry #106
Day #143
Kiel took a huge drop, but it’s laughable that Greenberry isn’t even in the top 100.
Sky rockets in flight.
ESPN LOVES texas and florida
That said, Ferguson is also on there at #85. :)
24 from Texas, 29 from Florida
More than 1/3rd of the nation’s top 150 players are in 2 states? And only 15 from California? I don’t know…
Dang, how did I miss Fergy!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 19, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
For comparisons sakes, the ND guys for the 2011 ESPNU 150
Lynch #15
Hegarty #36
Ishaq #42
Daniels #65
Koyack #77
Tuitt #90
Rabasa #123
Hopefully I didn’t miss anyone this time!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 19, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Prestwood #130
That one’s pretty forgivable.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Amir Carlisle #114
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 19, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I should read slower
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 19, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
According to Irish Eyes Armond Armstead has deceided to stay at usc for the
spring senmester and transfer in the fall. Wonder how that will affect Arik’s decision.
Yuri Wright was expelled from Don Bosco today...
not sure why, but it certainly jeopardizes his college career and whether or not Notre Dame will continue its recruitment of him. He seems to be destined for JUCO at this point, hopefully he can turn things around quickly for his sake.
It also potentially drastically changes Notre Dame’s CB recruiting. I would have to think that Anthony Standifer has an immediately commitable offer at this point and the staff continues to work hard on Brian Poole and Ronald Darby and keep their fingers crossed a little tighter.
That were outed by someone at least nominally Michigan-affiliated.
by Mr Wednesday on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
That's a "Michigan Man" for you.
But in reality, this kid put the stuff out there in the public forum. It was only a matter of time.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 20, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
True (if true) it was only a matter of time.
Then again, it could be a 6-month long performance art tribute to Andy Kaufman.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
It could very well be.
What a comedic genius.
by Mouth of the South on Jan 20, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
wow.
feel bad for the kid. Not that he didn’t have it coming with those comments (IF THEY WERE HIS). You would think someone could have brought an end to it before it got really bad. parent/teacher/any rational adult in his life with awareness of twitter.
I hope this kid gets some guidance
Not that I am condoning what he said on his Twitter account, but kicking him out of school doesn’t seem like the right response to it. Clearly, we don’t have all the facts surronding the situation and never will.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
I am sure those tweets went over well with the administration
Of a Catholic Prep HS.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 22, 2012 6:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Most prep schools
have an Honor Code with clear guidelines on when you imperil your ability to participate.
by Michael Collins on Jan 23, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Time to look at the numbers
(Thanks, whiskey)
25 Freshmen (including Prestwood and Carlisle)
19 Sophomores
15 Juniors
4 Locks/Offered Scholarships (Cave, KLM, Slaughter, Goodman)
17 Verbal commitments (2012)
80 – Total
So, five scholarships to divide among the rest of 2012 and any further fifth year seniors.
How do you think this will come out? How would you like it to see it come out?
I’d like to see: both Armsteads, Nelson A, Ronald Darby, and Ekanem.
by Michael Collins on Jan 19, 2012 11:57 PM EST reply actions
I hope we get Standifer
then put the full court press on Neal, Agholor, Armsteads (Washington now visiting Arik – I think he’s going to go there honestly – I just think it’s a terrible decision to follow a position coach), Darby.
Offer remaining scholarships to 5th year players (leave 1 open because Neal isn’t going to decide until after NSD), and press for the following year.
Arik is out of OVs...
not sure if this impacts anything, but Washington would be a bit late to the game. I think his parents are playing a bigger role than what many realize, and probably wounldn’t allow him to follow a position coach to a new school at the last minute.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
I meant an unofficial visit up there - he could go up there this weekend.
In the back of my mind (yes I know it’s bad) I wondered if Arik was using his own potential commitment (ND, Auburn) to help get his brother into another school. From everything I heard from and about him and his family, this would seem EXTREMELY unlikely. But if in the same position, I probably would have done the same for my brother.
Listened to Eric Hansens live chat and he was asked a question..."who do you think will be the #2 RB."
He said… “Riddick, and the only way that changes is if Amir Carlisle applies for and is granted a hardship transfer and doesnt have to sit out the season. But I’m not sure he will go down that road.”….I hope he does go down that road, would be great to use Amir this year.
Scholarship distribution
Kelly has his decisions. Here are a couple more:
Would you save a scholarship for 2011 Preferrred Walk-On, Joe Schmidt?
With fifteen Seniors-to-Be, how many will be offered a fifth year? How many scholarships would you want to keep for next year?
by Michael Collins on Jan 20, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions
Seniors to be with fifth year options...
Watt
C-Wood
J. Golic
Fox
Eifert
Z. Martin
Calabrese
Stockton
Tausch
Eifert’s likely gone to the NFL. Absolutely must keep Watt, Wood, and Martin if possible. Do you take one or both of Carlo and Fox?
Does Tausch come back with Brindza gaining experience?
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
The contest for place kicker will be interesting.
Tausch was quickly forgotten when Ruffer had a great season in 2010, but it was Tausch’s record for consecutive FGs that Ruffer broke. His only fault is that his leg is only reliable out to 45 yds give or take. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Tausch get kicking duties for everything ~45 yds and in, with Brindza keeping kick-offs and also picking up long FGs.
by Mr Wednesday on Jan 20, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Looking forward...
I would like to see 5 th years in 2012, which nets 20 total shollies for 2013.
Of the group, Martin and Watt are huge priorities while Wood and Eifert are likely gone to the no fun league. I think you keep either Fox or Calabrese, but not both. Also, depending on how Brindza develops, you may need Tausch back (and keep in mind that Turk will be gone).
That nets 16-17 freshman for the class, and there are some holes to fill (ILB, P/K, TE) on top of normal needs (OL, DL, DBs, WR).
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
It's weird
I look at that list and automatically think we can or should bring back most of those guys. But then I think more about it, and we might not bring many back.
Z-Mart has to receive at least a tempting grade from the NFL after next year. I mean c’mon, he’ll have been the best linemen at ND for three straight years, and this line is pretty darn good.
I really hope Wood stays, just because I think he’s great and he’s one of my favorites. Plus, he’s got an outside shot of breaking the career rushing record at ND (needs two ~1,310 seasons), but if he is in that area in 2012, he’s likely gone.
Eifert, he gone.
I could certainly see Tausch not coming back, but that depends on how he plays this year.
Since Te’o is gone, I think both Fox and Carlo come back. They’ve both played way too many minutes, and will likely continue to do so (taking minutes away from Moore, Werewolf, etc.) to the point where they might be locks.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 20, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think in order of preference
1. Watt
2. Z. Martin
3. C. Wood (though these top 3 are all very close like Cave, KLM, Slaughter this year)
4. Fox
5. Calabrese
I don’t see anybody else as possibles. Fox is a lock IMO – Calabrese is like this year’s Goodman – I could see it going either way.
Are we trying to poach?
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 20, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Turned out to be rumors
and Daje did not know how they got started.
He committed to Texas today.
by Michael Collins on Jan 28, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Decommitment Tracker
Not meant to be all inclusive. Anyone else?
T.J. Yeldon – from Auburn to Alabama
Gunner Kiel – from LSU to ND
Tommy Schutt – from Penn State to Ohio State
Hiva Lutui – from UCLA to ?
Ronald Darby – from ND to ?
Ellis McCarthy – from Cal to UCLA
Thomas Johnson – from Texas to ?
Mike Davis – from Florida to S.Carolina
Kyle Kalis – from Ohio State to Michigan
Taylor Decker – from ND to Ohio State
Aziz Shittu – from Stanford to ?
Patrick Miller – from LSU to Auburn
Taylor McNamara – from Arizona to Oklahoma
David Perkins – from ND to Ohio State
Shittu is still considering Stanford. Darby is still considering ND.
by Michael Collins on Jan 20, 2012 10:32 PM EST reply actions
Latest on Arik...
According to ESPN…the Armstead family will be receiving home visits from Cal, USC, Alabama, Washington, Notre Dame, UCLA, Oregon, Auburn and Hawaii.
The one on that list that came from left field is Hawaii…seriously? The other school that surprised many was USC. Thought to be completely out…they are at least being allowed to come in the home and state their case. With Armond back on campus taking courses…could this possibly end up with way it was a year ago with the brothers both being Trojans?
Hawaii...
was a late addition to Armond’s list. Not sure if it has legs or not. Also, he said already that he will not be part of the USC team this spring and will not be returning to the Trojans. Not sure why Kiffin is wasting his time, but that door appears to have been shut long ago.
I am also a bit surprised that Auburn is still alive in all of this. There is plenty that has gone wrong for Chizik post-NC, and things seem to keep getting worse.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
Think Armond is trying to find a team that will medically clear him
Arik may then follow him – what I would be concerned about then is Arik plays for 1 year with his brother then transfers to another school (Washington, Cal). Definitely a strange (and interesting) recruiting story for sure…
Huge recruiting weekend for Arkansas
with two ND prospects visiting – Neal and Andrades.
Visitors
by Michael Collins on Jan 21, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions
Good Grief this thread is rapidly becoming too large to keep up with!
Love the discussion! Thanks to all for participating regularly here. I couldn’t be happier with our little sliver of the interwebs. Great people, great discussion.
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Updates
Standifer had a great visit. I imagine he took in the basketball game. Has said we are on top at this point with Boise State and Nebraska yet to see.
Brian Poole has always been interested, though he has been a verbal to Florida for a while. Poole had an OV for the USC game, an in-home visit and Kelly visits him on Wednesday.
by Michael Collins on Jan 22, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions
Standifer...
needs to take an online Spanish course in order to get approved by admissions.
“I think I will get approved and signing on signing day to ND.” – Standifer
As long as one is not contating and telling them directly
I think most can agree with that statement.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 22, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Garnett no longer a possibility
…according to ESPN…Josh Garnett is down to just Michigan and Stanford…eliminating ND today from consideration. Are we done with OL recruits for this class?
Not surprised, this was rumored last week
Michigan just had an OL decommit and is now heading to Cincinnati…sign of things to come? Garnett has been considered a Stanford lean for some time, so I still think that is where he ends up in the end.
Yes, the staff appears to be done with OL in this class. Numbers-wise, they are fine.
OT: Z Martin, Nichols, Lombard, Prestwood, Stanley, Hegarty
OG: Watt, Hanratty, Carrico, N Martin
OC: Cave, Heggie, Harrell
This opens the door for Golic Jr and perhaps Clelland to return as 5th years, depending on recruits. The numbers might seem a bit short, but Watt and ZMart are both eligible for 5th years, so if you bring in 2-3 next cycle they will be fine depth-wise.
I don't tweet often--but when I do, you can be sure it isn't important.
@jemiesle
I think the combination of elite academics and coaching is ideal for him at Stanford
with him wanting to go to medical school it seems like the best of both worlds.
...and yet
Josh was quoted:
“I have a tough decision to make. I think academics and football-wise I’ll have similar opportunities.”
I wouldn’t have thought Stanford and Michigan represent similar academic opportunities.
Michigan is considered to be an elite academic institution
generally ranked with Cal as the top two public universities
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 23, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yes agreed...but I was specifically referring...
…to what the football players’ academic requirements are between Stanford and Michigan. I remember a remark from Ethan Johnson while being recruited that he
compared what members of the Michigan football team were taking in terms of type of classes and loads and ND and that he felt Michigan was quite shockingly underwhelming compared to ND. Jim Harbaugh caused a ruckus when he made similar criticism of his alma mater.
Whenever we play Michigan and they list the players' majors, all of them are kinesiology majors.
Sooo, what does that tell ya?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite examples of Michigan's academic excellence:
1) The NCAA announced at the start of this past season that they would begin to implement minimum graduation rate benchmarks for bowl eligibility. The 2010 Michigan team was one of a handful of programs that would not have qualified for a bowl under those standards.
2) Hawaii refused to accept Tate Forcier’s transfer from Michigan, saying he did not meet their academic standards.*
*note: that’s for undergrad. I don’t want to besmearch KG’s grad program, because he can blow up my house via remote control
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
by Publius2010 on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
That might be a reflection on the work the QB FORCE!!! put into his studies
Forcier was turned away from a number of programs, and is leaving this San Jose St despite being the likely stated in 2012.
That screams academic ineligibility. He could start going to Mrs. Johnson’s Kindergarten for Special Children and miss the cut there also, based on his academic performances to date.
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 24, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Word here is that little boy Tate never found his way into the classroon at SJSU
shocking
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jan 25, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
It might just be Forcier
but I will use any excuse possible to rip on Michigan
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
by Publius2010 on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
& rec’d for a right proper hate
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 25, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I can't find any information on premed rankings
I remember having a book back in high school that had this stuff in it – can’t find it online anywhere which is surprising.
Stanford and Michigan
have Pre-Med majors. Does ND or just have a Pre-Med track while student major in a science? Then the best way of telling is the acceptance rates.
by Michael Collins on Jan 24, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
There are 3 different ways to go about pre-med at ND
1. Major in a science and take the prereqs
2. Science Preprofessional (prereqs but your major is SCPP, not biology or chemistry or physics)
3. Arts and Letters Preprofessional (major in anthropology, sociology, or anything else but take the science prereqs).
What I thought
so would ND appear on any best pre-med rankings list?
Or would they rank ND on acceptance rates for those students who take the MCATs?
by Michael Collins on Jan 25, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
It's usually reported as
number of those accepted divided by number of those who apply, irrespective of your major.
I know the central pre-professional office in Nieuwland had this data posted (and also had posted the number of people who did not get accepted and number of people going to each medical school.
I really don’t remember what it was when I went there. Garnett was told it’s 75% which sounds about right. The highest number go to Indiana, Loyola-Chicago, and Georgetown.
So how good is 75% acceptance rate, relatively?
by Mouth of the South on Jan 25, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Very good
It’s hard to know for sure because I can’t find the data online. But 75% straight out of college is very good. An additional 10-15% probably get accepted after doing post-grad work, research beyond undergrad
That was my buddy's path
MD after MA (alsewhere)
after BS CheG at ND
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 25, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
*elsewhere
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by Cranked_Irish on Jan 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Great stories on Nelson Agholor and Davonte Neal
A glimpse into the enigma that is Nelson Agholor
Father of top football recruit Davonte’ Neal making amends
Thanks to Keith Arnold for locating them. Agholor, Neal more than just blue-chip recruits
by Michael Collins on Jan 24, 2012 10:40 PM EST reply actions
That was a good article (per usual) from KA
I have read several conflicting reports on Neal. Some say that his dad is very pro-ND, but he isn’t as interested. Others say there isn’t much interest from either. Then you take into account his comments after his visit (all very glowing) and it is perplexing. He could end up just about anywhere (ND, tOSU, Arkansas, Arizona).
BK and Alford have an in-home with Agholor this week. He has kept things very close to the chest during his recruitment, and you would have to think that his parents will have something to say about his final destination. Many reports have him as a USC lean and Florida right behind. No one really knows where the Irish stand in all of this.
Both seem to be tremendous kids, and I hope they succeed regardless of where they choose. It would just make it a bit easier to cheer for them if they were wearing blue and gold.
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Edited for
Yuri Wright to Colorado and no offer to Ralph Andrades.
Staff had an in-home visit with Nelson A yesterday and Brian Poole today.
by Michael Collins on Jan 25, 2012 9:18 PM EST reply actions
Any word on how they went?
by my name is inigo montoya on Jan 25, 2012 11:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Went well with Poole...
I don’t know anything other than the rumors and interviews that everyone else knows, but I think he will be Irish on NSD. His dad said last week it was 60/40 Florida and last night that it’s now 55/45 Florida and that they have a “big decision next week…still up in the air”, which, to me, those numbers mean nothing and lends more credence to the rumors that he is really a silent commit to ND and wants to avoid hearing about it from those around him for the next week. It certainly shows that, like Darby, when kids say they are 100% for whatever school, it means very little.
And on the other recruiting thread here it was posted recently:
At Poole’s comments after the UF coaches visited, ND is out. He’s solid to UF, Dad couldn’t sway him…. Ekanem visit is off(ND’s chosing)…. The focus gets narrower. Neal, Armstead, Agholor and Standifer.
Rumors, rumors, and more rumors
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by lookingdeadred on Jan 27, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Frustrating, but
It’s all rumor and innuendo until the LoI is signed.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 27, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Cranked, you went deep on that my friend.
Deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties…..
whiskey
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Well there goes Armstead...
BGI is reporting Arik Armstead now heavily considering Washington, Oregon, Cal and Auburn. Go figure…a week ago we were one of two likely destinations and now we’re essentially out of the running.
Such is life…
It's still a little premature based on what the Sacramento Bee reporter just said
but I think we are a long shot for sure. I think we were an option because Armond couldn’t transfer within the PAC-12.
Agree with Irishane on that
the source came from an Auburn insider, so I haven’t heard it confirmed just yet. Probably a longshot regardless. Rumors are flying that ND didn’t clear Armond either, but again—just rumors. Who knows at this point?
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Coaches visited
the Neal and Armstead households. BGI changed Arik’s Final Four w/o ND a couple of days ago, but one of their mods is debunking that rumor. Who knows who will clear Armond?
Ken Ekanem’s OV is officially off. Looks like we are taking more fifth years – or someone has flipped.
by Michael Collins on Jan 26, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions
...and on another mystery front over at BGI:
Sapp and Wiltfong did their weekly review of the ND recruiting scene and noted that we Irish fans might be in for a wonderful surprise on NSD as a recruit who had ND as a finalist but seemed to have gone in another direction could end up Irish after all.
The one clue given was that it is someone who was not mentioned in the article. The following were mentioned and therefore not the mystery recruit: Nelson Agholor, Brian Poole, Demetrious Cox, Anthony Standifer, Ken Ekanem (no offer), Raph Andrades (no offer), Davonte Neal, Ronald Darby and Arik Armstead.
Out of respect for the recruit’s wishes…they are keeping mum on the name, but the posters are going nuts in the comments section trying to figure out who this mystery silent commit could be. Names like Noor Davis, Jordan Payton, Westerkamp are being tossed out there. Next Wednesday could not get here soon enough!
Noor Davis would be sweet
Perhaps Payton would be the most likely out of that trio?
We were “supposed” to take 4 WR’s this cycle.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Jan 27, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
I would be surprised with Westerkamp...
simply because he didn’t want to go back on his original commitment to Nebraska. I thought Payton cited distance as a reason why he wanted to go to Cal. Noor Davis is a name that has been quiet since committing to Stanford in the spring. I know he visited at some point, but wasn’t sure if he made an OV.
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Can haz some Noor Davis or Odenigbo?
Both quality LBs who were very interested in the student part of the student athlete equation.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
by Cranked_Irish on Jan 27, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Odenigbo would be a new name...
that wasn’t thrown around on the boards. Nice addition.
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But Farrell is a ND hater...
or at least labeled that by some, so I am not sure how serious to take that one. I believe he covers mostly the ACC, so that might be what he is hearing from FSU and Clemson, but again—look at the source.
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Jason Sapp over at BGI...
noted that Darby hasn’t provided any confirmation date to Kelly and staff for an in-home visit and feels that’s a tell-tale sign that Darby may have moved on.
Edited for
Armsteads, Ekanem and Andrade no longer prospects
by Michael Collins on Jan 27, 2012 10:23 PM EST reply actions
Boo surprise visitor leaked
and will not be visiting ND this weekend. Marcus Rios who is committed to UCLA…
Still think we’re in it for Arik on a technicality – sounds like he’s heavily favoring the west coast (Cal, Oregon, Washington) though the beat reporter and Arik’s dad still said ND is in his top 5 along with Auburn.
Hope Standiford’s spanish class go through.
Poole is probably the only possible flip at this point though he’s still leaning toward Florida.
Neal is the only other reasonable prospect that anyone knows about and he won’t choose until mid-February.
Overall a very good class – just so spread out over the past year that it doesn’t have that crazy flurry at the end of 5 stars like we did with Tuitt, Lynch, Ishaq last year – though Kiel, Carlisle are huge pickups. Hoping for some surprises!
59+17+5=81
Without any attrition, we have the 59 from the three previous classes, 17 commits and the five fifth years (Cave, KLM, Slaughter, Goodman and Golic). That leaves four scholarships remaining.
With Cwynar added to whiskey’s list of four gone (Newman, McDonald, Posluzney, and Walker), only three other possible fifth years – Clelland, Williams and McCarthy. With the DB recruitment in the 2012 class including Badger, I doubt McCarthy has a fifth and don’t think Williams is a possibility either.
Positional needs – another WR and DB would give put us at 83.
Without any flips or surprise 5 stars committing, who do you think gets the last two scholarships?
by Michael Collins on Jan 28, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions
At this point I think Standifer is a lock if is Spanish Class goes OK.
Outside of that I think Poole is a longshot.
Anyone else would be a total bonus prize.
I think Armstead stays on the West Coast. We’ll know in about 5 1/2 hours….
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by whiskey OFD on Jan 29, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Standifer would put us at 82
Room for preferred walk-on Luke Schmidt? Another fifth year like Clelland? Kelly holds one for Neal.
by Michael Collins on Jan 29, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's all but confirmed we have no shot at Armstead
I think Armond was his ticket – he would have followed him to ND or Auburn but I don’t think he was cleared at either. So it’s looking like Oregon, Cal, or Washington. Surprised Oregon made a late surge but this is what makes recruiting fun!
I think we get Standifer and one more surprise – might be Neal after NSD but who knows.
Scratch that... spoke too soon
Spanish online class won’t be accepted so Standifer is out…
Six of the top eight
are from SEC. ND and Ga Tech are the others.
by Michael Collins on Jan 29, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions
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Edited for Arik Armstead’s commitment to Oregon and Anthony Standifer unable to meet academic requirements. Best of luck to both of them.
Thanks to everyone for contributing to this thread. Now let’s turn it over to Jim and the One Foot Down 2012 Recruiting Central to take us through National Signing Day.
by Michael Collins on Jan 29, 2012 11:49 PM EST reply actions
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