Notre Dame vs. Michigan State Preview: Irish Seek Win over Ranked Rival
Michigan State (+4.5) at Notre Dame
Notre Dame plays one of its biggest rivals and will attempt to salvage a split from the Michigan teams this upcoming Saturday.
The game starts at 3:30 PM on NBC.
Last year the Irish lost in overtime on the infamous fake field goal playcall on fourth down. This year, Notre Dame returns to South Bend where they won the last meeting in 2009 after losing every home game against Michigan State in the post-Holtz era---a total of 6 straight losses.
This will be the first time Michigan State comes into Notre Dame Stadium as a ranked team since 1997, when the Spartans marched into South Bend as the No. 17 team in the country. A loss by the Irish that day started the aforementioned long home losing streak to Michigan State.
Saturday, the Spartans come in ranked No. 15 in the AP Poll, giving Notre Dame a chance to redeem their season with a big victory over a historic rival.
Notre Dame Defense vs. Michigan State Offense
From a skill position standpoint, the Spartans might have the one of the best offenses Notre Dame will face in 2011. That said, the Irish will match up far better against Michigan State than they have with their first two opponents this year.
Michigan State runs a pro-style offense with a heavy emphasis on pounding the ball on the ground and they've been very successful at it both this year and last.
In the backfield, the Spartans trot out a four-headed monster from the running back position in Edwin Baker, Le'Veon Bell, Larry Caper, and true freshman Nick Hill.
Baker and Bell are the two main ball carriers, while Hill has been seeing some time in conjunction with Caper as a third down/short-yardage back.
Baker is short (5'9") but packs a lot of power with good speed at 210 pounds. He rushed for over 1,200 yards in 2010 at a very impressive 5.8 average. Last year Baker ended up with good numbers against Notre Dame, finishing with 90 yards on 14 carries. However, 56 of those yards came on one carry---so Baker was bottled up for most of the game.
Bell had a breakout freshman season last year with over 600 yards and 5.7 yards per carry. He is massive for a running back at 6'2" and 237 pounds. Last year, Bell had his most carries of the season (17) against Notre Dame and was the Spartans biggest weapon against the Irish finishing with 114 yards.
I would expect a heavy dose of both Baker and Bell---mission number one for the Irish defense will be to slow both of these runners down and force Michigan State to throw the ball.
You can't miss Le'Veon Bell on the field.
If the running game is shut down, that will force the ball into the hands of quarterback Kirk Cousins who is a very good signal caller, but might not be the type of playmaker to put his team on his back.
However, Cousins fits State's offense perfectly with a nice blend of passing ability, leadership, and above-average mobility. In 2010, he finished with almost 3,000 passing yards, a 2:1 touchdown/interception ratio, with 66.9% completions. Last year, Cousins played really well against Notre Dame with 245 yards, 70% completions, two touchdowns and one bad interception in the end zone.
Some people might not be overly impressed with Cousins, but he is a good quarterback who can do a lot of damage. He might not have played a team worth a lick yet this year, but he's coming into Saturday's game with 405 yards, 3 touchdowns, 79.1% completion and no interceptions.
At wide receiver Michigan State has a few weapons, starting with B.J. Cunningham who leads the team with 14 catches and 203 yards in 2011. Last year, he had 7 receptions and 101 yards with a touchdown against Notre Dame---he should draw the most attention from the Irish secondary.
After Cunningham, Michigan State doesn't have a ton of depth but brings two good receivers in Kewshawn Martin and former quarterback Keith Nichol. Martin has never really put it all together as a receiver, but he is a deadly all-purpose player with outstanding playmaking ability. Martin also had his best game last year against Notre Dame with 8 catches, 96 yards, and one touchdown. Nichol, as a you would expect from a former QB, is a solid possession receiver.
As you can see, the Spartans have the tools to put points on the board. The only problem is, they have had to replace three offensive linemen and that's typically not a great sign for an offense built like Michigan State's.
If the new linemen prove adequate or better, this offense is going to be super dangerous. If they struggle, even with all their weapons the Spartan offense could break down in 2011 and take a step backwards.
The good news for Notre Dame is that they are built to stop this offense. So far this year, the Irish defensive has owned the line of scrimmage and stopped their opponents running backs in their tracks. Notre Dame might not completely stop the State running game, but I expect a much better effort than last year and for the Irish to make the Spartans day a rather difficult one.
Notre Dame will have to focus on stopping the run, but look for Michigan State to run outside the tackle and utilize a ton of misdirection and cutback plays. This worked well last year for the Spartans and they will likely have a tough time running directly into the jumbo-sized Notre Dame defensive line.
Despite a disastrous fourth quarter against Michigan, the Irish defense has looked very stout this year and I think they will play really well against a more traditional offense this Saturday.
Notre Dame Offense vs. Michigan State Defense
Michigan State tends to always have a stingy defense, and this year they have put the clamps down on two inferior opponents, giving up only 6 points to Youngstown and shutting out Florida Atlantic last Saturday.
In fact, the Spartans defensive domination was so powerful against FAU that the Owls only gained a total of 48 yards and one first down.
However, the bulk of State's returning talent is on the offensive side of the ball as the defense has to replace a bunch of players, including linebacker Greg Jones---possibly the best Spartan defender of the past ten years. In all, Michigan State will be starting 7 new players on defense in comparison to their lineup last year against Notre Dame.
In addition to the loss of Jones, State loses linebacker Eric Gordon, defensive end Colin Neely, cornerback Chris L. Rucker, and safety Marcus Hyde. Together this group consisted of Michigan State's first, second, third, fifth, and tenth top tacklers in 2010.
The result is that despite the big numbers so far this year, the Spartans defense is likely to take at least a small step back in 2011.
The good news for Michigan State's defense is that they have one solid veteran on the line, at linebacker, and in the secondary, so no one unit is too inexperienced.
The Spartans are usually tough up front and they bring back All-Big Ten tackle Jerel Worthy who is very large and quite a handful. Alongside Worthy, MSU has two experienced veterans on the two-deep but will be starting three new starters for 2011, so you wonder how effective this group will be.
At linebacker they will obviously sorely miss Jones and Gordon, but State brings back the playmaking ability of Chris Norman. The two new starters are both sophomores and fairly inexperienced with regular playing time.
In the secondary the Spartans return experienced vets in corner Johnny Adams and safety Trenton Robinson, but they will be forced to start two more sophomores at the back end of the defense.
In total, Michigan State is starting just one senior, but 5 sophomores---although there are no freshmen and just one redshirt freshman.
In a lot of ways, this Michigan State defense is very similar to Michigan's in that they have one really good defensive tackle surrounded by a few other decent linemen. The difference for the Spartans is that they are a little more athletic at the linebacker and secondary positions. Still, Michigan's defensive line was largely ineffective against the Irish offensive line, so State will have a lot of work to do.
In other words, Notre Dame should be able to move the ball on Saturday. Last season the Irish piled up 461 yards, the second most given up by State all season, and I'm pretty sure Notre Dame will be able to inch close to yet another 500 yard performance with all the returning starters on offense and the Spartans losing key veterans on defense from last year.
Like last year, we know Notre Dame is going to throw the ball a lot and get its yards there, but typically Michigan State makes life very hard on the ground for the Irish. Without two ball hawks at linebacker and a somewhat inexperienced defensive line, does Notre Dame continue its breakout season running the ball?
Prediction
This is a weird game and if you go by certain rankings, stats, and history---this should be a Michigan State win. They are 2-0, ranked, and typically play well inside Notre Dame Stadium.
Yet, Notre Dame is favored.
The Spartans may have the most balanced and experienced offense that the Irish will have faced yet this year.
However, that dangerous offense is off-set by a Notre Dame defense that matches up perfectly with the Spartans pro-style attack and the Irish might be able to dominate an offensive line that returns only two starters. The Notre Dame defensive line has looked very strong this year and should be able to corral the State running game a little bit and hopefully play much better than last year.
If Notre Dame can bottle up the Spartan running game, and also prevent any long runs, the ball will be placed in Kirk Cousin's hands and that is a battle the Irish might be able to win.
Cousins played well last year against Notre Dame.
On the other side of the ball, Notre Dame has found some balance on offense and has the added advantage of bringing Michael Floyd to the party. Michigan State's offense might be good, but Notre Dame's has more potential and playmaking ability. Even with the massive amount of turnovers and having played two quality BCS teams, Notre Dame has gained 191 more yards than the Spartans (who have played a FCS team and Sun Belt team).
If we go on program notoriety, then Michigan State should have a good defense, but I'm hesitant to say they are going to pose a huge challenge to a Notre Dame offense that has been shooting itself in the foot constantly, but has still proven it can march up and down the field on good BCS teams.
Further a Spartan defense that has 7 new starters and is without a couple of their best defenders of the past decade, can't be much better than what USF and Michigan had to offer. I think this is a sizable advantage for Notre Dame.
If there is a team due for a win it is Notre Dame. They will finally take care of the ball and surprise a lot of people with a slightly comfortable victory.
Notre Dame 41
Michigan State 24
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I like when these ranked teams come to South Bend
when the Irish are a little down….like Utah. Big Lou is going to clog the middle, Manti and crew will stuff the RB’s and the rest of the guys will have Cousins on his back when he drops back. I like your score pick but I’m saying 7 less for State.
Irish Chocolate, Bill
and I saw him say in an interview that grown men don’t call him that. I think it’s more of a self-referential nickname. Like he says “Irish Chocolate is going to own you on this next play.” Just trying to help you out. Wouldn’t want to anger Big Lou. His girth already covers roughly half of the continental United States, so wherever you are, he can reach you.
Mouth Of The South
by Mouth of the South on Sep 16, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope your prediction is right,
ND can really use this win and the national media is really down on them despite the fluky nature of the Michigan loss.
However, I’m still not confident that ND’s secondary can stop MSU. I think the final score will be much closer and if ND wins, they won’t cover the spread.
First game I’m going to this season, excited!
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Yeah, Murtaugh
What about the Michigan game leads you to believe that this secondary can contain State’s receivers, who I think you’d agree are better than Michigan’s? Or are you thinking that this will be a non-issue because we won’t allow Cousins to get it to Martin and Cunningham?
Mouth Of The South
by Mouth of the South on Sep 16, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
MSU has better receivers, but it's pretty close
I would say a better focus on defense from the entire team really, should help. I haven’t really lost faith in the ND secondary after one Derpish performance by one player.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 16, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd also say that not having to shadow Cousins
will allow more to defenders to drop into coverage. Especially a safety overtop…this is your game to turn it around (again) Harrison.
"If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now."
"Curioufer and curioufer"
by Cranked_Irish on Sep 16, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Concur
I think ND shakes the turnover bug and wins comfortably. Much like they probably would have in weeks 1 and 2 had they not made so many costly mistakes. Scale back the self inflicted wounds and this team is capable of winning every week.
whiskey
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by whiskey OFD on Sep 15, 2011 9:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
My thoughts exactly
This team has been playing at a high level minus the turnovers. Eventually they have to stop, right?
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Maybe 5 is our long term average for this season
and we are playing to that average.
/evil grin
//does not really believe
"If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now."
"Curioufer and curioufer"
by Cranked_Irish on Sep 15, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
For heaven's sake, I hope not...
But, with a relatively “new” QB, I think we could expect many more turnovers than we are accustomed to seeing game-to-game this year.
Hopefully, it gets better. Brian Kelly has been harping the media this week on the whole “He’s young, we should expect it, but that doesn’t mean it’s right” thing. I trust that he’ll stop keying on one receiver and look toward his secondary targets. I equate Rees to a rookie QB in the NFL who relies heavily on check-downs and his TE…It gets better once he stops locking in. This week’s game will be the start of that tranformation, mark my words! :)
No, I think we're losing fumbles at an unusual rate.
Not fumbling the ball is a skill, but all of the evidence that I am aware of says that recovering the ball once it’s on the ground is random. A team that is recovering a lot more (or a lot less) than half of the fumbles in their games should be expected to regress to the mean.
by Mr Wednesday on Sep 15, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Conan O'Brien nerd voice:
Ehhh Statistics.
Mouth Of The South
by Mouth of the South on Sep 16, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
losing fumbles means you’re fumbling the ball.
by SpartanChicago on Sep 17, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Crap in one hand
and put the law of averages in the other and see which one fills up first. If you don’t believe me, I’ll show you. I’ll do it. I have the time.
Mouth Of The South
by Mouth of the South on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Third time's the charm for the Irish...
They really need this win in the worst way. Even though, they are most likely out of the BCS bowl hunt, I’m hoping they take up the “every game could be our last chance” call. I know, I know, the BCS would like us all to believe that every game is a playoff, but we know how flawed that system is…
The Irish can still wreak havoc this season and I hope they do! Irish win 34-20
Man, I hope you're right!
It’s so hard to be confident after the last two, though.
by Chris Schumerth on Sep 15, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
They really could have won last week
in spite of the turnovers and the Robinson ducks being caught, if they had just been able to pick up a few more third-and-shorts. Here’s hoping they can step it up in those situations against the inexperienced Spartan front seven.
I don’t even know what a comfortable victory over Michigan St. feels like. The wins I can remember are ’09 when Cousins was picked at the end, ’06 in one of the craziest games one of my teams has been a part of, ’04 which I think was a 7 point win, and ’02 when Dillingham-to-Battle swept the nation. Michigan St. is my least favorite game of the season, every year. They always show up to play, and there always seems to be crazy things happening.
Does anyone else feel like Michigan St. gets unduly disrespected? A team with their pedigree is typically ranked higher than 15th. 11 wins last year, 2-0 this year, competes in the Big Ten. If Michigan or Ohio St. had that pedigree, they’d be top-5. Same thing with the line this week. Michigan or Ohio St. with that pedigree playing an 0-2 Notre Dame team, would never be underdogs by 4.5 points. Nobody even seems to be impressed that they held FAU to 48 yards last week. Ho hum, who cares. That’s a very low number, even against bad competition.
That said, I tend to agree that Notre Dame matches up really well against this team, and I think they could stroll to a comfortable victory sans all of the turnovers. Louis Nix will be a big factor in this game, as he’ll be key to slowing down Michigan St.‘s running game. I do think Cousins is a good QB, and I certainly respect their receivers. But as you said, it’s an inexperienced offensive line, and if Notre Dame can take away the running game, they could finally unleash the hounds with their pass rush. And it’s been a few years since Notre Dame has been slowed down offensively by Michigan St. Even ’08 when they only scored 7 points, they moved the ball and lost points on turnovers and botched field goals.
Win this game, and things set up nicely for a string of victories. I don’t even wanna think about what could happen if they lose. I really really REALLY hate that they have to beat Michigan St., but here we are. With USC more beatable than ever, the rest of the schedule is managable up til Stanford. But a loss could really spiral things downward.
Good thoughts
And yes, I think MSU is annually disrespected.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 15, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think their bowl game really hurt them
They went into that game as the odd-man-out for the Big 10 title, and wound up being eviscerated by Alabama on national tv. Not a good memory to leave the fickle poll voters with.
"For those of you just joining us, the second hurricane delay is currently a zombie delay."
True dat
And as I tried to point out, they did lose a lot of defensive talent.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 15, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You make a good point
The experience and sheer number of tackles they lost at the LB position is enough to make one think that they might well experience a dropoff at that spot.
We deserve the disrespect, we had years of Bobby Williams and JL Smith. And you don’t overcome that legacy in a year.
Yes, the prison fck that Alabama laid on us shows we still have lots of work to do….
However, has anybody paid attention to what Dantonio has done to this program?
by SpartanChicago on Sep 17, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He's definitely improving the program
Now, you have to hold on to him.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 17, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Au contraire,
I think their history of bathing in the flop sweat after a tight win/loss to ND follows them more.
How many times have they entered B1G play and coasted magnificently to .500 ball?
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by Cranked_Irish on Sep 15, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That's also a valid point.
Since 1995, they are 47th in win percentage, just ahead of Colorado State, Oklahoma State, Nevada, Oregon State, Purdue, and Maryland.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 15, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why last year was such a surprise, at least before the bowl.
If there is a regression to the mean happening this year, it happens to MSU. That means a tight game with ND, which I hope we win, man do I need a win.
I miss being able to go through and watch the game closely the next week, I don’t know how you and burger have een able to do that this past 2 games. I have just immediately deleted the DVR file.
"If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now."
"Curioufer and curioufer"
by Cranked_Irish on Sep 15, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
A Dominatrix is cheaper than a new TV
"If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now."
"Curioufer and curioufer"
by Cranked_Irish on Sep 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
On a related note
I’m enjoying that booze has replaced the Big Ten Network for the overly intrusive ads. Much more appropriate.
Grimes is right about State coming to play
Either that or we just always play down to their level. I’d say that the latter has a lot to do with it.
State gets no respect because they almost always implode after they beat us or play us close (though they usually beat us). Last year was an anamoly. Even when they don’t implode—like last year—they get smoked by the one good team in the Big Ten—tOSU or Wisconsin. They then get smoked in a bowl game.
So I think that the better question is, “why do we respect them so much?” If we want to be a national player, we need to start kicking the crap out of these awful Michigan and Michigan State teams. If we can’t beat Michigan and Michigan State, I don’t think we’re going to beat Alabama for a national championship. The fans and the players are guilty of putting these guys on a pedestal.
Mouth Of The South
by Mouth of the South on Sep 16, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Please keep in mind MSU held FAU to 48 yards and had 2nd and 3rd team players in much of the 2nd half. This was a practice squad and live tryouts for the coaching staff type of game.
Also ND is 120th – dead last in turnovers. There are numerous comments on this board about how ND will magically turn this around. Problems of this magnitude don’t solve themselves in a week.
And your secondary looked totally amateur last week vs. Michigan. Cousins will pick them apart.
by SpartanChicago on Sep 17, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Team Sport = Communication. Whoever does it best, wins
You mentioned the fateful fake field goal last year. I was as dismayed as the rest of us. The state of Michigan twice last year and once already this year sneaked by us in the final seconds (or post-final seconds!). But what has troubled me was something Manti said in an interview after the game. He said he figured something was up when the place-holder who threw the pass said something to the guy who ended up catching the pass and winning the game, as they broke out into formation.
Manti’s job on that play was to try to block the punt, so he did his job. But I would like to think that Bob Diaco could have fostered a culture/environment where if Manti noticed something and had a hunch, that he could had called back/over to the end/corner to “watch the fake” or something.
I mean, Manti is smart. If he even had a hunch, I’m wondering why he didn’t call it out?
Trying to remain objective, and failing miserably. You?
I'm pretty sure they had it covered, didnt
2 Irish defenders run into each other and get knocked down, leaving the reciever wide open?
Curious
that the betting line does not take Michigan State’s accomplishments into account, with the 3rd ranked Scoring Defense nationally, 4th ranked Total Defense and 6th ranked Pass Efficiency Defense. Or perhaps it is because of our relative opponents.
College Football News on What to Watch Out for:
“Lost in the brilliance of the Michigan game was a phenomenal performance by Cierre Wood, the Irish back who tore off 134 yards and a touchdown after rumbling for 104 yards and a score against USF.”Wood is tied for 21st nationally with 119 yds per game and will run behind a veteran OL against a DLine returning one starter.
by Michael Collins on Sep 15, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
Ooo, that's tough.
I’d be happy if he keeps his streak over 100 going. 120 could be tough, though.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 16, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Not close
it will be tough sledding- ND has not played a DLine like state has
I don't know
USF and UM had decent lines (not as good as MSU’s though) and we were able to gash them for big gains. Even if those 10-12 yard gains become 5-7 yard gains and Wood can average ~4 yards a carry, I think we’ll be fine. I don’t know if he’ll get enough carries to make it to 100 yards, but I think 80+ is a stong possibility.
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Betting lines work when bookies come to an equilibirum point where 50% of the people betting one team vs 50% of people betting for the other team move the spread.
Betting line has nothing to do with what bookies or casinos think. It has to do with the betting public thinking a certaing team is going to win and the line moves to create that equilibrium.
by SpartanChicago on Sep 17, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the final analysis
So ND is going to win because “its about time they win”. And even better is “they finally take care of the ball.”
ND is ranked 120th in this category, dead last in the entire country. This isn’t something you can turn around in a single week.
Hope is not a course of action. Hope is not a strategy. It’s an emotion.
How is Notre Dame going to win this game? Someone? Please?
This passes for analysis? Am I the only one to catch this?
by SpartanChicago on Sep 17, 2011 12:22 AM EDT reply actions
I'll tell you what I love
It’s when people read a couple sentences at the bottom of a preview and think that’s the only thing that was written.
In regards to it being about time they win. That means, for the vast majority of the plays so far this year, the Irish have looked dominant. It’s about time they played a little sharper, limited some of the turnovers and played to their potential and won a game.
I love how people point to the turnover margin like it can’t be fixed. Really? So, you’re saying that ND will turn it over 5 times this week? Lock it in, because no team ever has had a couple bad game of turnovers and then limited them as the season progressed. There might be a couple turnovers, but the odds are against another 4 or 5 turnover day.
If you want a reason why ND could win this game, scroll up to the section about the Spartan offensive line. If the Irish start having their way with that unit, it could make things tough for Sparty.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 17, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

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