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Notre Dame vs. Michigan Recap: Robinson and the Wolverines Do It Again

Therapy time.

Sometimes it's a lot easier to write a recap after bad losses. So while I wish a full Sunday's worth of writers block because of judicious Irish victories, these type of defeats give me plenty to talk about.

Yay?

There is so much to talk about right now, yet I'm not sure if we'll learn anything from discussing this game and the start to this 2011 season.

There's so much confusion---so much that doesn't make sense.

I want to make sense of it all!!!!

Star-divide

Here is a breakdown of each unit, with some final thoughts to follow.

Offensive Line: A-

If you want to talk about frustrating, look no further than what has been going on with Notre Dame's offensive line. Through two games, this has been the best Irish O-line in ten or fifteen years---maybe even longer than that. And the team is still 0-2.

There were a couple dumb penalties and you would have liked for them to convert a couple of those third and one plays (more on that later), but Michigan was throwing the kitchen sink on some blitz' and the Irish line gave up zero sacks. Credit Rees' quick release for keeping that stat a goose egg, but the line has really played fantastic so far this season.

Tight End: B

One of the position groups with the most depth on the team was tested on Saturday. With Jake Golic out with a broken arm, Alex Welch out with a foot infection, and Mike Ragone eventually missing a good chunk of the game with a leg injury, the Irish were down to just Tyler Eifert and true freshman Ben Koyack.

The injury to Ragone seemed to affect this group as its never a great thing to have a true freshman out there trying to block. I really like Tyler Eifert and he made a couple clutch grabs in this game. The big Indiana native is off to a pretty good start this year.

Wide Receiver: B+

Michael Floyd has clearly taken his game to the next level with another double-digit catch and 150+ receiving day. I think 25 catches for 313 yards is okay after two weeks, don't you think? What more can this guy do...play defense? Actually maybe he might not be a bad option breaking up passes in the secondary after what we saw against Michigan.

I suppose we should be happy that Riddick and Jones caught the ball when it hit them in the hands, and they both scored big touchdowns in the game too. Neither guy made any huge mistakes, so overall the receiving corps receives a pretty high grade.

Question: Where are all the other receivers? I keep harping on this issue and I just don't understand it. 

I know there's Floyd and then a pretty steep fall to the other starters. And from the other starters there's another relatively steep fall to the backups. But where is the "next man in" philosophy and player development? Where are we going to be sitting next year without Floyd owning every secondary he faces?

I know Kelly doesn't like the depth at receiver, but 706 yards on 88 attempts through two games and a backup doesn't even have a ball thrown his way, let alone a single reception??

Running Back: B+

Cierre Wood's fumble was disappointing, so was the inability to pick up a couple of those key third and shorts, but this was another very good game from the running backs. Wood and Jonas Gray almost rushed for 200 yards which has been rarefied air for the Irish in recent years.

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Cierre Wood has been ballin' this year.

I simply love Cierre Wood and I think he's truly special. He's easily the best running back Notre Dame has had in 10 years and probably the third best pro prospect on the team behind Floyd and Te'o. Unless the defense totally sniffs out a play, Wood is nearly a lock for 5 yards---which is the type of playmaking ability Notre Dame hasn't had in the backfield in such a long time. 

Jonas Gray also had an explosive game with a gaudy 66 yards on just 6 carries, including a tremendous 38 yard scamper. That was a great bounce back game for Gray. 

Oh and by the way, Cierre Wood is on pace to break the single season Irish rushing record. 

Quarterback: C+

First the good part: Rees has been very accurate. 70% against USF and then 69% completions against Michigan is where he needs to be in order to move the ball in this offense. 

Also, Rees' quick release really helps the offense, especially against a team like Michigan who brought a ton of defenders into the box and was rushing guys from every angle at certain times.

So, 300 yards with 3 touchdowns and great accuracy, then how could Rees get only C+?

You know why.

The funny thing is, I feel like Rees' decision making is improving and on the whole he has become more consistent than last year. Last year there seemed to be so many risky throws and (almost) turnovers on top of the actual turnovers. Now, Rees is pretty dialed in.

Still, he's making a couple horrible mistakes every game. Rees has played in about 6 full games and some change in his career, and he has thrown 12 interceptions. Maybe Rees is the best option we have right now, and maybe he will improve in the turnover department, but two picks a game is not going to get this team to the next level. And it certainly isn't going to help them win any games as this season has proven.

I'm a lot more comfortable with Rees this season, and he's improved in every area I thought he needed to....except turnovers. 

I don't want to push the panic button yet, but here's something to think about: I generally think that this offense makes life pretty easy on the quarterback, or about as easy as it is going to be for someone at Notre Dame. That is to say, the QB isn't asked to make a lot of tough throws and he's generally put in a position to succeed without having to blow the opponent away with playmaking ability.

Rees made a few really tough throws against USF, but on Saturday it was a clinic on how you can gain 300 yards with a bunch of safe and short throws in the spread system.

Now, if Rees continues turning the ball over 2 or 3 times a game...at what point does it become foolish to keep Hendrix (or Golson) on the sidelines? I'm not saying take Rees out and forget about Crist, but turnovers were the biggest reason Kelly gave for why the young players aren't seeing the field.

Even if someone like Hendrix comes in and throws for only 240 yards instead of 310, and still turns the ball over at the same rate as Rees, how much does that extra running ability help the offense? At what point does the big arm and good wheels (for both Hendrix and Golson) become too much to ignore if the other guys in front of them are turning the ball over and not putting up as many points as they should?

Go back to those 3rd and short plays in the second half again. 

Was the playcalling a little too conservative? A little bit.

Should the offensive line that we're raving about open up a hole and prevent penetration from Michigan? Yeah, maybe.

But what if the quarterback could bootleg on that play? Michigan was loading up the box and blitzing damn near everybody, and all Notre Dame could do was try to run up the middle or audible to an equally low percentage short pass. What could things be like if Hendrix is in there and fakes a hand off, beats a blitzing defender who almost assuredly would lose contain, and has nothing but daylight ahead of him?

Having a mobile quarterback is so important in college. If you have one it makes everything so much easier for the offense and so much harder for the defense. Sometimes I wonder how much Brian Kelly thinks about that trade off between a little less passing and what a running QB could do for the entire offense as a whole. 

Defensive Line: B+

Parts of the defense are going to be ripped to shreds, but I thought the defensive line played well and did their job against one of the toughest playmakers we've seen in recent college football history.

It became pretty clear early on that Michigan was not going to be able to run the ball up the middle or have much success with anyone carrying the rock other than Denard Robinson. That's all due to the defensive line owning the line of scrimmage and staying tough up front. They even jammed Michigan at the goal line and caused a fumble, although in keeping with the theme of the season, Robinson picked the ball up and went in for the score anyway.

Michigan's running backs gained 10 yards on 8 carries, and even Robinson gained a rather pedestrian (for him) 108 yards. This is all due in large part to the big bodies up front for the Irish making their presence known. 

So yes, Notre Dame is getting great line play on both sides of the ball and is 0-2. 

Linebacker: B-

I don't really know how to grade the linebackers appropriately because Michigan didn't run a lot of plays and the linebackers didn't have many opportunities to make plays. Is a B- too high?

Te'o had a couple nice plays, so did Fox and Calabrese, but where are the outside linebackers?

Fleming has been pretty invisible (and had his ankles broken...again) while Shembo, Spond or anyone else on the outside haven't made a single memorable tackle through two games. 

Secondary: F

This was most likely one of the two or three worst performances by a Notre Dame secondary in school history. It truly was that bad.

I have a lot of respect for Denard Robinson and I think he's a wonderful kid and one of the game's great athletes. But he is not a good passer and had no business throwing for 338 yards and beating this team with his arm.

Robinson completed 11 passes...ELEVEN!!!

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Yeah, pretty much sums it up.

Eleven completions for over 300 yards is absolutely disgusting. That few of completions at 30.7 yards a pop has to be historically bad for any BCS program.

Robinson had a couple nice strikes, and a couple drops that could have been brought in, but the vast majority of his completions were so hideously ugly, with such terrible ball skills from the Irish, that the a coaching video should be made on how not to take advantage of poor throws.

Everyone in the secondary played awful, except maybe Robert Blanton who actually showed good ball skills and made a key interception late in the game, while also not being picked on like Gary Gray was.

The aforementioned Gary Gray as well as Harrison Smith have played pretty terrible through two games. That's really not what this team needs from its two supposed stars in the secondary.

I have nothing more to say about this unit.

Special Teams: C

Theo Riddick had a couple decent returns on kickoffs, and at least John Goodman didn't fumble any punt returns. Ruffer hit his only field goal attempt, and Brindza had great length and hang time on his kickoffs.

Also, special teams coverage was very solid.

We know what we're going to get from punter Ben Turk at this point now, right?

Two good punts with great accuracy, one booming punt, and the obligatory shank. You are what you is, and Turk is maddeningly inconsistent and always will be.

Final Thoughts

An 0-2 start to the season has been a nightmare and both losses have been heart breaking and complete gut wrenching defeats. 

I know a lot of people are down right now, and they have every right imaginable to be so.

Personally, I'm not as low as I was after Navy 2009, but there is that same sense of "We just can't get it together, nothing is going right, and we're losing games we should be winning."

This team is learning a hard lesson and that is you can't turn the ball over and let team's back into the game when you have a chance to stomp them out in the second quarter.

I am going to be honest and say that Brian Kelly deserves some blame for the way the team has played so far this season, but I am also extremely hesitant to lay too much at his feet.

Two big reasons why:

1. The team has showed too much high level execution on both sides of the ball.

Yes, there are still holes on this team and the turnovers, lack of focus, and disappearance of some players who were supposed to be great has a lot of people scratching their head and pointing the finger at Brian Kelly.

But how much blame should Kelly shoulder right now?

I know it's frustrating to lose these games and ultimately Kelly is responsible for that win-loss record. Sometimes it feels like the team is cursed, the same crap keeps happening, and the program isn't getting any better under Kelly.

But I truly feel that the program is moving in the right direction, even if it's happening too slowly.

Notre Dame has drives on both sides of the ball where they look very, very good. And ultimately, that is a major difference from all of the heart breaking losses in the past.

2. Kelly failing is the elephant in the room

We've talked about this from time to time here at One Foot Down, and it's something a lot of people don't want to discuss. Others, are more than happy to discuss it, especially at low times such as these right now.

It's going to take a lot more struggle and disappointment for me to even begin to think about Notre Dame without Brian Kelly. There's simply been far too many improvements since the day he was hired, and too much high level of play this season to even give one iota of thought of Kelly leaving or making big changes with this coaching staff.

8-7 might suck right now, but it's still way too early to tell what Brian Kelly will be able to achieve in South Bend. It's a tough pill to swallow with a team that appears to be so talented and STILL struggling to win, but there is still plenty of football to be played, and plenty left to prove.

With all of this said, let me give a few reasons why, even if it goes against all of your feelings right now, that this team has plenty of hope for the future.

1. Statistically a lot of good things are happening (minus the turnovers of course)

Defensively, this Irish team has shut down two straight opponents running backs, and the only touchdown given up on the ground was Robinson's freak fumble recovery. Notre Dame is sitting only at 51st nationally in run defense, but only 120 per game is pretty good against two BCS teams with two of the best dual-threat quarterbacks in the country.

Offensively, the passing game is 10th in the country right now and is on pace to be one of the best in the country once other teams start playing the big boys too. The Irish are averaging over 150 yards per game on the ground which is a huge improvement from recent years, and the total offense stats are in the top 20 with back-to-back 500 yard performances this year.

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Bright spot: Floyd has been putting on a receiver clinic in 2011.

I still see a lot of good things with this defense, and statistically I believe they will improve on last year's numbers. This will lead to wins down the road. With an offense that is back to being able to move the ball so swiftly, this gives me a lot of hope. Those 9 turnovers and other mental errors have been killer, but you and I know that this team is still very good.

2. Great line play

Is there anything more positive about this team than this? 

Eventually these improvements are going to reap serious benefits for this team. 

3. Running game looks great

Notre Dame has been lacking great line play and a good running game. Heck, the Irish have been lacking even a serviceable running game in the past.

Now, with Cierre Wood behind this line, it looks like Notre Dame might actually have a potent running game.

4. Dual-threat QB's

Notre Dame might not have gone up against any prolific offenses so far (no I don't think Michigan's offense is prolific anymore), but they have had to deal with two of the most athletic dual-threat quarterbacks in the country. 

The Irish contained B.J. Daniels and played very well against USF. If I told you Denard Robison would be held to 108 yards, you would have taken it all day.

As bad as some of the secondary play was against Michigan, I don't think it's fair to just give up on them right now.

Moving forward, Notre Dame doesn't play a single true dual-threat quarterback and this no doubt will help the defense execute a little better.

5. Better to lose early, than late

It's little consolation right now, but it's still true.

Maybe this team won't win 10 games, but they might not be the first team to put a couple early season losses behind them and finish with a bang.

So where does this leave the team and the program?

They are in a tough situation, but the sky is hardly falling. As depressing as these losses have been I simply cannot act like this team is bad, there's no hope, Kelly is the second coming of Gerry Faust, and we might as well just give up and not watch or not root for the team because the season is irretrievably lost. 

If you want to have an adjusted goal for this season, how about finishing with a better record than last year?

I thought this team could go 10-2 during the regular season, but as long as they finish with more wins than last year, isn't that progress of some sort? 

I just think it's foolish to give up on the season already. 

Other quick observations:

  • Did it seem like Rees takes much too long to complete hand offs? I'm not sure if that's something the coaches are teaching, but it is dangerously slow as if normal running plays are almost draws. I thought this didn't help the 3rd and short situations where Wood had no chance to make a move once he got the ball.
  • The uniforms looked absolutely amazing. Everyone knows I love the shamrock on the helmet, but shamrock or not, I wouldn't hesitate to switch to green full-time with a design similar to what the Irish wore on Saturday.
  • I would like to see Michigan play a game or two against a quality opponent without Denard Robinson. I think he's far and away the MVP of college football if we take it to mean truly most valuable to one's team.
  • Per Eric Hansen of the South Bend Tribune, Notre Dame has turned the ball over as many times in two games as Wisconsin did all of last season. Awesome.
  • John Goodman's 3.3 punt return average is double his average from last year. Player development!
  • One thing that really bothered me was the lack of contain and tackling on the play where Denard Robinson was flushed out of the pocket, seemingly surrounded, and still got the ball down to the 1-yard line. Ethan Johnson was made to look like a fool on that play.
  • Ragone and Danny Spond were both due for MRI tests on their leg injuries.

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John Goodman’s 3.3 punt return average is double his average from last year. Player development!

by burger23 on Sep 11, 2011 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Good summary.

That’s the way I feel as well. The arrow for ND football is definitely pointed up, and any cries for BK’s head are misguided. He simply won’t quit on us, and we can’t quit on him, or on this team.

There is a lot of football to be played. Tell me that, if we beat Michigan State, you all won’t feel pretty good about it.

Go Irish!

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Sep 11, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Beat Michigan State

A victory would certainly be sweet!

by Geoffrey Hui '73 on Sep 12, 2011 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I still think ND is a really good team.

So take that for whatever little bit it’s worth. We had no business winning that game, and I honestly think it’s just a few correctable things that are the difference between 0-2 and 2-0. Personally, IMO ND is a Top 25 team, they just need to put it together. Sooner or later they will.

Now kick Sparty’s teeth in.

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by Alex Cook on Sep 11, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

You're a true gentleman

And college football would be better off with more fans like you.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 12, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were probably just there for the spectacle.

Plus the 12:00 start in EL gave them plenty of time to get down to Ann Arbor. It was probably slightly abnormal but I’ve seen MSU and OSU gear for games against other teams pretty often.

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by Alex Cook on Sep 12, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good write up, Eric. I would have graded things a little differently, though.

Kelly held a telephonic presser earlier today, and he was very pleased with Rees. The first interception was a result of Eifert running the wrong route, and he chalked up the red zone fumble as a fluke. He did a great job of shifting his protection and getting the ball out fast to avoid sacks. Thus, his only real mistake was the red zone interception trying to force it to Floyd. I’d give him a B+; he did more than enough for us to win that game.

TE doesn’t deserve a B, largely because of Eifert. As I mentioned above, Eifert was directly and primarily responsible for the first interception, and his blocking was poor. On that last 3rd and short where Cierre got stuffed, it was Eifert’s missed block that got to Cierre first and tied him up behind the line. If Eifert makes that block, we get that 1st down.

by Whisk3yjack on Sep 12, 2011 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Weren't both picks thrown to Floyd?

Maybe Rees gets some slack for the receiver running the wrong route, but both picks looked completely forced into good coverage.

Too many turnovers for that high of a grade IMO. In the first half I felt like we could have buried them and put the game out of reach, but we didn’t. That shoulda/coulda been a 50 point performance by the offense on Saturday.

Did Eifert miss any other blocks? Those third and shorts we were outnumbered every time.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Rees had looked at Eifert on

the first pick, he could have run all day. I saw Kelly say Eifert ran the wrong route, but where was he supposed to go? His defender left him after one step to double Floyd. They essentially gambled and won that Rees would not have looked off.

The blocking on the 3rd and shorts was problematic. All of the unsuccessful ones were sweeps or outside runs against 9 in the box. That is just unblockable. You need to move the pile just enough, not be cute. It may still be unblockable, I am not an expert, it does seem though that you neutralize the advantage across the line if you are aiming at a spot and hit the spot quickly.

by Vairish84 on Sep 12, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Concur. Good summary across the board.

I really don’t feel like the sky is falling yet either. I am most curious about the psychological aspect of what is going on in that locker room right now. This team had a golden opportunity to mail it in at the end of last season and didn’t. I don’t think they will this season either.

All of these things, while maddening, are fixable. This isn’t a “we just don’t have the athletes” issue. Every week going forward I’ll wake up on Saturday wondering if this is going to be the week that they get it together and eliminate the mental mistakes that have them at 0-2 vice 2-0 with two comfortable wins.

by whiskey OFD on Sep 12, 2011 2:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Not only do we have the athletes

But we are improved in many areas in the past where we were severely lacking, like on both lines and in the running game.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

We still have a couple of personnel issues.

I don’t know that I’d call them “athletes” issues, but I think poor depth at running back and at defensive back has shown in our play. Jonas Gray is great at running through a wide-open hole, but he’s poor at finding a seam in tight quarters and poor at pass blocking, both of which make him very spotty as a player. We really could use a reliable “big” back in short yardage situations, but that’s precisely the situation where Gray’s weaknesses as a runner come to the fore. At DB, I think we’re getting hurt both by not having anyone to push Gary Gray and Blanton and by not having anyone to spell them in the game and keep them fresh. Last season, we were rolling a three-man rotation with them and Darrin Walls.

by Mr Wednesday on Sep 12, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Learning from adversity

A person or a team shows its true character in times of adversity, not when times are good. I am looking forward to discover the spirit of Notre Dame expressed by the football team this week and on Saturday against Michigan State. If football at Notre Dame does not build the character of the student-athletes, then we might as well give up football as one of our sports. Joe Theisman’s 1970 team displayed great character after the loss to USC in the monsoon at the Colliseum to beat Texas in the 1.1.1971 Cotton Bowl. The Marshall University football team displayed great character to play against Arkansas after their whole travelling team had been wiped out in a plane crash. (I don’t remember the year, but is was in the same era.) I am happy that we can shed a few of our fair-weather fans, so that those who still cheer are Cheering for Old Notre Dame, and not just cheering for meanlingless victories.

by Geoffrey Hui '73 on Sep 12, 2011 3:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Unique Character

Call me irrational, sentimental, romantic. But I personally take a lot of meaning from our mascot name. It was a slur from an era where Irish were outcast, excluded ethnics with a stereotype of red-faced folks with anger-control issues. So we played to it: fine. We’re the Fighting Irish: you can disrespect us and look down on us, but we know who we are, we know who we stand for, and we will never, ever quit. We’ll claw our way forward. That’s just what ND did as an institution, and that’s just what we’re going to do as a football team. There is always something good that CAN come of adversity, and BK is the guy to focus our guys on it. Now we fans need to do the same thing. It made me sick to learn that our fans booed the team at home against USF. We are ND and we are a family. But every family has some alcoholics and losers and dysfunctional dopes. Forget ‘em. We don’t need those who feel entitled to boo until the team gives them what they want. Stay with your team through the tough times, and come out together and see how sweet that is, then compare that to booing until we’re good.

Trying to remain objective, and failing miserably. You?

by Badhair on Sep 13, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Amen I say to you.

There’s nothing irrational, sentimental, or romantic about having principles. Let the haters hate.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 14, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with all your ratings except QB, I give Rees

or as I have come to call him Turnover Tommy, a D+. I put the full blame on Turnover Tommy for both losses….sure the defense didnt step up and make a stop in both games when they really had to…but they didnt need to be in that situation, if Turnover Tommy doesnt leave tons of points on the field, No matter how many TD’s he throws or how much yardage he throws for, its all cancelled out when he gives the ball right back to the opposing team rather than extending the Irish lead. Betting lines could add a statistic to their sheets…..over/under of Turnover Tommy in the red zone of 2.5 TO’s a game.

I’m not giving up on this team and I never will…I’ve rooted for the Irish longer than I would say most of the people that come here have been alive. This QB situation is a mess, the best 2 QB’s on the team are sitting there twiddeling their thumbs, I can understand BK maybe wanting to save a year of eligibility for Golson, which i agree with but c’mon…time to give Hendrix a shot. BK gave up on Crist after a 1/2 and I still believie that Crist can put up the same numbers as Turnover Tommy but with less TO’s. BK is the bigtime spread guy who likes those mobile QB’s, well use Hendrix then.

You are spot on about the three 3rd and 1’s that failed each time….a mobile QB could have really worked in those situations with a zone read QB draw, play action bootleg or whatever…a mobile QB gives so much more option to the offense.

The season now has come down to 10 games and I have a question for everyone and please think this out with your head and not your heart:

Will the Irish go 10-0 and to a BCS game?

Will the Irish go 9-1 and to a decent bowl game?

Will the Irish go 8-2 and finish the season at 8-4, one game better than last years regular season record of 7-5?

My personal pick is 8-2 but honestly feel 9-1 can happen.

Time to right the ship, make changes if needed and finish the season in style…GO IRISH

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I think a BCS bowl is out of the question

Just because we’ve fallen so far in the rankings now that I don’t think we can ever get close enough for a bid. I mean we dropped 20 spots after losing to USF. 20 spots!!

Beating MSU and USC would help, but this team won’t be ranked at 4-2, or at least there is a small chance of that happening. Even if they run the table it might not be until early November that they are back in the polls.

I’m leaning towards 8-2 as well, but they can do better.

I think we match up well with MSU and it would be huge to be a ranked team again. That would erase a lot of the bad vibes.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

If USF goes 10-1 in the Big East, that loss won't look as bad,

same if UM has a strong year, by the end of the season ND could creep back up the polls. If USF flirts with a BCS game and a 1 loss season or better, ND won’t be hit as hard in the polls. If they can beat MSU (a big if), USC, Navy, and Stanford, 10-0 or 9-1 to close the season is do-able.

What if they drop to 0-3? Does Kelly then consider making a move to Hendrix or Golson?

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Sep 12, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

USF is a good team, and I think that loss won’t look as bad later, but I still feel like Michigan really sucks and will be at the bottom of the big ten.

by DenverIrish on Sep 12, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michigan is going to get pwnt by a good team

They should have lost our game by three scores. If they play anyone worth anything in the Integer, they’ll get trounced. That may be a big if, though… is there actually anyone worth anything in the Integer?

by Mr Wednesday on Sep 12, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was kind of my point...

They’ve got three ranked teams left on their schedule in MSU, Nebraksa, and OSU. Sparty should move the ball up and down the field, but even Nebraska and OSU have some big questions on offense.

You need a good offense to stay with Predator, and the BIG doesn’t have that right now.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Putting full blame on Rees for the losses is ridiculous

as is calling for him to be benched.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 12, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

If your opinion ignores all other facts, it is ridiculous

Rees deserves his share of the blame, but anytime the offense scores 31 points, the team should win.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 12, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Theres only one fact that really counts and thats

turnovers and Rees averages 3 to’s a game and 80% of those are in the red zone which could have been FG’s or TD’s for the Irish which would have resulted in wins.

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a fact you keep ignoring

Rees does not play defense. Yes, they should have scored more, but scoring 31 should have been enough.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 13, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on

Turnover Tommy? Seriously? This type of reactionary bell-ringing would have kept Jimmy Clausen from ever seeing his fantastic 2009.

Rees is a sophomore. He’s going to struggle at times being tossed into the starting spot like this before he’s ready. But Golson or Hendrix? Then we’re looking at the worst of Rees and Crist combined: stagnated drives, inaccuracy, AND turnovers. But at least they’re fast!

Mobility might be nice at times, but look how awesome Michigan and UCF’s offenses looked with their mobile quarterbacks. Who really cares how many more options a mobile quarterback gives you in 3rd and 1 if you can’t get there? We’ve got some great receivers out there, quarterbacks who can get them the ball in Rees and Crist, and our running game is just fine. The grass ain’t going to be any greener right now with Hendrix or Golson.

by Shinons* on Sep 12, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Back to Crist, Turnover Tommy just doesnt get it done

when it needs to be done…USF he left anywhere from 9 to 21 points on the field…UM he left at least the same….but gee hes real calm and cool looking in the pocket. ,,,whooopie

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's put up 300 yards with a 70 percent completion percentage in his first two games as a true sophomore

Whoopie?

I’ve been more vocal than anyone else on here that his turnover problems were being swept under the rug, but that nickname is ridiculous.

by Shinons* on Sep 12, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stop turning over the football and he no longer

will be referred to as Turnover Tommy…untill he does that on a consistant basis he still will be Turnover Tommy, to me at least.

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure that's true

But to say “BOOOO, YOU SUCK, TURNOVER TOMMY!” when he’s struggling through a perfectly natural and expected growth period then “WHOOO TOMMY, HEISMAN CANDIDATE!” once he’s through it, that’s textbook fairweather fandom.

by Shinons* on Sep 12, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

No its not...take off your rose colored glasses.

As a fan you have the right to be critical of a team and a player wheather that critisim is positve or negative…good thing they didnt have computers back in the mid-50s when Brennan was the coach….he would have heard it for sure from me.

I NEVER said that Tommy Turnover sucks….just continue to do what he does but without the turnovers…thats all.

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is calling a true sophomore who started the season expected to be the backup "Turnover Tommy"

I don’t have a problem with your points, your criticisms, whatever – my problem was and remains pigeonholing a 19 year old like that. THAT shows a completely out of whack perspective. 19 year olds starting at quarterback in the NCAA struggle.

by Shinons* on Sep 12, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll drop the Turnover Tommy thing, but you have to admit

you see the same thing as I do as does every other fan….he commits far to many turnovers…where those turnovers could result in points which then result in wins. I’m sure, or at least hope, that Rees is thick skinned enough to take the heat because its going be comming from Sports Blogs, ESPN, talking heads, or wherever people discuss ND football and I’m sure he will see it and hear it….especially if he doesnt start making better decisions with the football in future games

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

So how do you think the Irish

will finish up….10-0, 9-1, 8-2 or other?

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

The optimistic side of me says 8

But I can also see 6-6.

Really, I’m right with you about the concern over Rees’ turnovers. It’s real tough to win like that and I’m skeptical that Rees can progress far enough this year to put us in the position where that’s not a liability. The depth at corner also has me very worried.

by Shinons* on Sep 12, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think 8 also but I'm really going to go crazy and say 10.

I just think next week going against State that the Irish are going to be so “up” so pissed off because of the first 2 games and remembering last year that they will roll State….from there the next worry is USC but they are really pretty bad this year…..last game against Stanford will be the big one….so hopefully 10-0.

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right

I feel much better about how we’ve been against the run, which I think will go a long way against teams like MSU, Stanford, and Navy. USC does have me nervous – or more accurately, our depth at corner and still pedestrian pass rush has me nervous of USC.

One big step forward from last year is that I don’t think we’ll run into another fiasco like the Tulsa game.

by Shinons* on Sep 12, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think GaryGray could play that bad again

if he even tried to and after the ass chewing he probably got from BK and Diaco he will be ok, but I agree the depth is a problem….just hope no injuries occur to the starters.

Heres some stats to show how good Rees and this offense is:
13th ranked nationally in total offense at 510.5 yards a game……353 passing, 157.5 rushing.

8th ranked nationaly with 27.5 first downs a game.

Now some bad stats:
Ranked 120th nationally with 10 turnovers
Ranked 116th nationally in the redzone….45%

Info comes from Bryan Driskell at ISD.

The bad stats are very fixable and should and will be fixed moving forward

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gary Gray...

had pretty darn good coverage all night, he just couldn’t pick up the ball in the air. While I am sure he got an earful, I also agree that he won’t shouldn’t play that bad again this year

by Jim Miesle on Sep 12, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will give Gary a small amount of BotD

Denard’s floater passes maybe threw his timing off.

As a DB, you are expecting, based on the WR’s actions to see the ball in a certain place. The “floating wounded duck” throws were not in that normal spot. Therefore his balance, positioning, and ability to attack the ball in the air are degraded.

At least I hope that is all it was.

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by Cranked_Irish on Sep 12, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though I'm sure there are a lot of different opinions on the subject

But I feel like turnovers are a bit of a random event. I know the QB can control interceptions to an extent, but fumbles tend be rather random and the probability of recovering one is like 50% (I think I heard that somewhere). You have a fumble like Rees’s where he just can’t get to the ball and then one like Hopkins’ where it takes a friendly bounce right back to Robinson.

So like you said, these are very fixable and we have to expect a regression to the mean when it comes to turnovers. We can’t possibly keep turning it over 5 times a game, right?

by burger23 on Sep 12, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad you two girls could kiss and make up

Just giving you a hard time. I enjoy the spirited discussion, minus the name-calling.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 12, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The truth lies somewhere in between I think

Bill might be a little harsh on Rees, but he’s not without some valid points.

One of the things I wanted to get across, is that sometimes 300 yards and 30 points a game isn’t good enough, particularly with this offense and with the type of playmakers around the QB.

No doubt the defense should hold teams and 30 points should be enough, but sometimes the offense has to explode and demoralize opponents. I feel that is how teams like OU, and Okie State who both run similar systems win games from time to time.

We SHOULD have dropped 50 on our first two opponents and simply outscored them. But turnovers prevented us from doing that. Crist is to blame as well.

I sincerely believe that we have to adjust the way we think about the QB position in this offense. 70% accuracy is tremendous and Rees deserves a lot of credit for that.

But simply trotting out 300 yards and above average scoring I don’t think is really all that impressive in today’s game. Or in other words, those stats alone won’t keep Rees’ job safe—-not that I really think he should be pulled.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly Eric....you have a team down...kick them

in the teeth…put another TD on the board…..dont give em the friggin ball back with a INT at the 4 or in the endzone

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

This is what I’ve been saying since the immediate aftermass of the UCF game. We don’t have anyone ideal for this offense right now. We’ve got guys who are either too tight, too inconsistent, too young, too not Michael Vick-y, too turnover prone. But they are what they are. It’s seemed the qb evaluation has been too reactionary, too knee-jerked.

I think the bottom line is “what gives us the best chance to win?” The 300 yards on 70 percent with a few turnovers that we’ll get from Rees? Less yardage, lower completion percentage, fewer turnovers that we’d see from Crist? Probably lower production but more mobility that we’d see from Goldrix? I’m not sure what the answer there is.

by Shinons* on Sep 12, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goldrix?

We have a wizard waiting in the wings at QB?

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Has a nice ring, I think

I was thinking a Russian developed, lab created superprospect saved by the American troops to restore Notre Dame to glory. Kind of a mix of Hellboy and Rocky IV.

by Shinons* on Sep 12, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

the sky-is-falling crowds is out in force

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by lookingdeadred on Sep 13, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

51 points in six quarters is getting it done

if ND’s offense keeps up that scoring pace, they will win a lot of games once the defense solves its problems.

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 12, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Before hes ready??...thats a joke right?

Hes had 2 spring practices, 2 fall practices, 5 games in 2010, and 2 games this year….thats about as ready as you can get without being a senior. Turnover Tommy is averaging 2 int’s and 1 fumble a game……80% of that in the red zone…thats called leaving points on the field and giving the opposition a chance to get points…which they did.

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Full blame on Rees isn't fair, but he deserves some of it

It’s up to Rees to shed the Turnover Tommy nickname.

Plus, we don’t know that Hendrix and Golson bring out the worst of Crist and Rees. That’s pretty unfair as well.

Mobility is “nice” when you’re in a pro offense. The grass might not be greener right now with Hendrix or Golson, but eventually it will be.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never mentioned blame

But I actually put most of that loss on Rees – or more accurately, on Kelly, as I’ve thought it was pretty clear headed into that game that Rees is going to struggle with turnovers if he’s under center this year.

I don’t think it’s really unfair to presume that Hendrix and Golson are going to struggle in a lot of ways their first times taking snaps as underclassmen. Remember Rees against Michigan last year? And that was a particularly mature, poised, accurate kid. It’s not an easy job, I think it’s too much to throw Hendrix or Golson out there and expect an improvement.

And yes, I agree that it will be greener with those two eventually – just not yet.

by Shinons* on Sep 12, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where did you get that?

I have heard nothing about Hendrix or Golsen that suggests they are innacurate passers.

by Chris Schumerth on Sep 12, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

More accurate than Dayne Crist though?

It’s awful tough to come in as a freshman or sophomore throwing your first passes in a ND uniform and deliver balls on the money.

by Shinons* on Sep 12, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Generally agree with all of your observations except

the green unis hopefully will never be seen in public again. The shoulder stripes are too old-school, and that shade of green is awful. If you have to wear green (and I hope they never do) it should be a darker shade of green. Finally, the tacky shamrock on the helmet shows why the unadorned golden dome helmet is so classic.

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 12, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely disagree, except for the shoulder stripes

Those uniforms looked great. The shoulder stripes don’t work because they aren’t real shoulder stripes.

In no way should Notre Dame wear a darker green. I blame Weis for ever bringing out the forest green. The Irish should wear Kelly green always and forever.

No way is the shamrock tacky. That’s not the right word even if you don’t like it on the helmet.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to see the kelly green trotted out more often

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by Publius2010 on Sep 12, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

/shootslookingdeadredaglare

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The shoulder stripes were the best thing about the uniform.

They add some color to an otherwise white jersey. You’re nuts. The stripes are way better than the helmet shamrock.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 12, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the shoulder stripes per se

I just don’t like how they are more “clavicle” stripes and they don’t reach around the entire shoulder. It looks silly, but that’s mostly thanks to the way the new jerseys are cut these days.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Horsefeathers.

Those are like the classic UCLA-esque shoulder stripes. The NY Jets have the same “clavicle” stripes, and I their unis may be my favorite pro uniforms. This “clavicle stripes” argument is pure hogwash, kind sir. Poppycock. Good day.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 12, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This gives me an opportunity to teach

UCLA’s shoulder stripes, for which we get the name UCLA stripes:

Notice how much length there are to the stripes, encompassing the entire shoulder and reaching on both the front and back of the jersey.

New York Jets:

The Jets stripe isn’t as long as UCLA’s but they still commit to it with fervor. Back in the day, the stripe used to go all the way around (some would argue this is the real shoulder stripes…although it’s practically impossible to do this today without the bulky long sleeves):
Now take a look at our shoulder stripes and how weak and puny they are. They’re not even covering the front of Harrison Smith’s shoulder pads! You have to go big or go home with shoulder stripes, is all I’m saying.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine, the UCLA and Jets shoulder stripes

do go down a little bit longer, but that’s what she said. And I’m still a fan of ours.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 12, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't think of any reason why ND should emulate UCLA ... ever ... in anything

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 13, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

okay, got me there

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 13, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

tacky describes the shamrock logo perfectly

and that green is awful. The navy blue is so much better.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 13, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

How does a Notre Dame fan not like kelly green?

I take it you’re not of Irish heritage?

Help me understand!

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 13, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

here's hoping this was a joke

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 15, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The shamrock was weird

The green, if you ask me, looked great, as it did on the jerseys from the Sugar Bowl from 95 (or was it 94?)

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by Publius2010 on Sep 13, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

for a one time deal, throwback game, it was tolerable

but never do it again. It looked terrible. And if they ever wear green again (hopefully never) wear a darker shade than kelly green, the color of tacky St Patrick’s Day.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 15, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly green always and forever

I realize this is an opinion, and I’m not going to win you over if you’re thinking: Never wear green>ugly green shade<ugly throwbacks. But that is an extremely rogue position nonetheless.

The vast majority of the time ND wears kelly green when it goes to the emerald shade…that’s our roots as the Fighting Irish. It’s just hard for me to understand that some ND fans don’t like the green, especially when it’s such a big part of our history, and one of the coolest aspects to sports uniform history.

Also:

Notrec Dame’s color is navy blue and gold

I see this opinion a lot on NDN, as if the football has never worn green before. The green jerseys were there before the gold helmets, before ND Stadium, and before the vast majority of the school’s traditions.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 15, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're both wrong.

The kelly green is awesome, but so is the forest or hunter green with the gold letters that we wore against SC in ‘05 and army last year. They’re both awesome, just different.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 14, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Notrec Dame's color is navy blue and gold

My problem with the green jerseys is less about the color than how it has become a gimmick to help win a game. I would like to see the team get to the point where it does not need gimmicks like that anymore.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 15, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good so let's wear green for an entire season or longer

I’m tired of the gimmick excuses.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't a ploy to win a game this time.

How could you be so cynical??? It was clearly a ploy to sell jerseys. Jeez.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 16, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 16, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all for the green

But the Weis-era gold numbered/forest shade sets are less awesome than what we’ve worn in the past. I won’t complain when they wear it, but I do wish they would change them.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 15, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here here

I’d love to see some kelly green unis with white numbers trotted out more often

"For those of you just joining us, the second hurricane delay is currently a zombie delay."

by Publius2010 on Sep 15, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

This guy gets it.

So does the Ireland rugby team.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get it, I just don't like it

the navy and gold look great, so don’t try to fix it if it ain’t broken

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 16, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

???

And I thought the cardiac kids from ’09 were difficult to watch…

Completely off subject, but which is worse: the BTN ads slapping you in the face or Bear Grylls staring you down? At this point, I am not sure…

Anyway, on to a few important points.

1. David Pollack called it at the end of the half—Michigan had to turn the game into a sandlot game and did. If you said that the Irish D would hold DR to 11 completions for below a 50%, you would think they ran away with this game.

2. I am extremely disturbed by the fact that they have basically played 5 guys in the secondary for the entire first two games. That spells big problems IMO. I think that Wood and Jackson need to see some time vs. MSU this weekend, especially since they are a run first, play action type D. To say the secondary had a hard time reading the receiver’s eyes and picking up the ball in the air was an understatement.

3. Diaco called the game a little scared. He needed to bring some pressure at times and didn’t. I think you can bring a blitz off the edge on DR’s blind side and get to him more often than not. I would rather have had them blitz and get beat in the 4th qtr than to play scared.

4. The major turning point in this game that you kind of alluded to was Ragone getting hurt. After he went out, the running game wasn’t as effective. Depending on the injury, BK may have to retool the offense a bit.

5. Does anyone have a clue what caused the Wood fumble?

6. Where is the pace on this offense? I know BK wanted to slow it down this year, but there are points during the game when you get the opposing D on the ropes and pick up the pace a bit.

7. Can anyone rememeber ever seeing the unis ripped to shreds like in this game? Can’t remember if it was Shembo or KLM, but half of their pads were showing late.

by Jim Miesle on Sep 12, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

And where is the outside run?

I keep waiting for a fly sweep to Riddick or the occasional outside run to keep the defense honest. I think it cost this team late on the 3rd and short when Michigan just blitzed the gaps to stop the power run inside. I would like to see Rees run a zone read option at least once. Claussen wasn’t fast either, but there were times he ran a bootleg to pick up yardage.

by Jim Miesle on Sep 12, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You'll be happy to know

That there is a mini-revolt going on with all of the SBN sites regarding the Big Ten Network ads. Woke up to a bunch of angry emails…no joke.

1. It’s an unbelievable stat really. Holding DR to 100 yards rushing and 11 completions. You would think we win that game 99 out of 100 times. Here’s another one…UM with less than 100 yards of offense in the first half with two completions. And they ended the game with an absurd 9.0 yards per play. Unbelievable.

2. I’m totally with you on that. I’m starting to really not believe this whole next man in mantra, because it’s only being used when guys get hurt. I understand that Kelly wants to win and needs to play the best guys, but others have to contribute too.

3. Yeah a little bit, although he basically called it the way I would have. I see a lot of people piling on Diaco (not that you are) and I think the finger has to point at the players, specifically the secondary.

4. I hope Ragone’s injury isn’t serious. Let’s also hope Welch can come back next week. Funny how that great depth vanishes in a hurry.

5. Probably Michigan putting in slippery balls when ND was on offense…who knows. It looked like his lineman got pushed back into him at the worst moment when he was trying to make a move. He seemed to hurt his wrist on the play too.

6. We’re crushing TOP this year, but you’re right the pace is missing. In my opinion it’s not so much the pace, or lack thereof, but rather how it seems to be taking forever to get the play calls in. It seemed like every snap was a fight with the play clock, and I don’t understand how that is happening when we aren’t even huddling. Credit to Rees for setting the protection and calling audibles, but he was consistently doing it with 10 or less seconds to go…that shouldn’t be happening if we aren’t huddling.

7. LOL…I was going to comment on that in my post but forgot. I thought that was pretty funny looking. Can you believe that KPL couldn’t bring Robinson down when he had his jersey? Damn you TECHFIT, damn you to hell.

8. I am so confused with the offense. We have done literally nothing different from last year, and it seems like we’re running a smaller amount of plays. Maybe some of the passing routes are different, but we’re barely running screens and we haven’t done anything like jet sweeps and the like. It’s like we’re a spread team that really doesn’t want to run spread plays. It’s bad enough the option read is cut out with Rees.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or quick wr screen?

Or anything besides a straight run when we know that the defense is bringing the house on every 3 and 1. That was infuriating.

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by Publius2010 on Sep 12, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Infuriating

is that stupid tunnel screen where the wide receiver catches the ball and runs right into the defense. I hate that play and curse it every time it is called.

by burger23 on Sep 12, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is an annoying call

But could we at least try a bubble screen? I don’t recall the broadcast camera being zoomed out enough to see the receivers and the corners, but since they’re literally throwing the entire front seven at our inside gaps, I can’t imagine the dbs would risk tight coverage.

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by Publius2010 on Sep 12, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

We ran the bubble screen at least twice.

And both that I remember were effective.

We also tried running a slip screen, but the one I remember got bottled up. I’m not sure if it was a bad play call given the defense or if it was shitty blocking.

by Mr Wednesday on Sep 12, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michigan bringing the full house blitz

and the corners are a good 7-10 yards off. It screams quick pass to the perimeter. Yet, it wasn’t done. A team blitzes, you have to make them pay and play more honest. Rees had tunnel vision for Floyd through a good chunk of the game, but in that situation, I think you have to wing it out to the big WR and let him get the couple of yards you need (or Eifert for that matter).

Can I get a killer instinct, please?

by Jim Miesle on Sep 12, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

As a Michigan fan, I had a sliver of hope that we wouldn’t get embarrassed and spent most of the first half sitting back on my couch disgusted. But once the fourth quarter rolled around you could feel the momentum shift. That being said….this is NOT a good football team…as even Brady Hoke said. Denard as a passer= high blood pressure for me. He isn’t TOO bad on the short stuff, but throwing it down the field is a crapshoot. ND is a good team, and there is no reason for you you guys to be 0-2. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen such bad secondary play…oh wait…Michigan 09….Michigan 10…and Michigan 11. I really do feel your pain. 2 of Tommy’s picks though was just Greg Mattison outsmarting a sophomore qb.
Anyways…after you guys scored with 30 seconds to go, I told myself win or lose this was a hell of a game and a hell of a presentation. You could feel the atmosphere and energy through the tv. I hope you guys thought the same thing. Good luck the rest of the way, as I am now free to be an Irish supporter for the rest of the season.
Go Blue!
Good luck the rest of the way

by Canzior on Sep 12, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

It was one hell of a game

“ups” and ’downs" for both teams and fans of both teams….definitly a classic.

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

Finally some honesty from the opposite side!

by Chris Schumerth on Sep 12, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Likewise!

While it may be years before my body recovers from the gut-wrenching, what we watched that night was a wholesome celebration of what today’s college football fans inherit from those programs who put CFB on the map. Sure, neither are ranked at the moment. But even ND with 11 NC’s and 7 Heisman’s and tremendous history has been really bad in-between those high points. Both programs will continue the undulation between top tier and otherwise. It’s part of the tradition, although newbies like UF tend to forget that. Maybe both unranked, but show me another game on TV that day that beat it in terms of: excitement; fan spirit; history/tradition; ESPN, a traditional ND hater, was pretty damn cocky that they had bagged themselves one of their best broadcasts ever.
While I hated the last 30 seconds, it was a hell of game. Do well the rest of the year, please, so it won’t look so bad for us!

Trying to remain objective, and failing miserably. You?

by Badhair on Sep 13, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

What happened to our intensity?

Is it just me, or did the team lose their intensity once we went up 14-0? I felt like the team came out with something to prove, but, once they manhandled Michigan for two drives, they seemed to breathe easier, like they had just proved something. As a fan, I was certainly breathing easier, but I don’t want the team sitting back halfway through the first quarter. It’s a mental thing that has been in the program for a long time, but they need to learn to prove something for 60 minutes.

by DenverIrish on Sep 12, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure that we can accurately comment on the team's attitude.

We can only say what we think based on what we see. And what we saw was an Irish offense that went three and out after the defense had just forced another Michigan punt, and we were up 14-0. I would find it hard to believe that Michigan’s worst defense in 20 years already made the adjustments to shut down our offense. Maybe they did, but I would bet that the team just breathed a sigh of relief, as you say. They’ve been doing this since ‘05, Weis’s first year—“Oh, we’re up 14 points? Let’s relax for a while.” We haven’t had a killer instinct for a LONG time. I guess it will take longer than 15 games to find one. It still makes no sense that we can’t beat Michigan’s worst team in 30 years with all of the talent that we have. Actually, if you’re not executing and not focused, I guess it makes total sense.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 12, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is so true.

After two 3-and-outs by Michigan, two easy-looking TD drives by ND, and a pick of Denard, it seemed like the Irish could name their score.

by Huck Finn on Sep 13, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two weeks ago, I would not have believed I’d be here defending Tommy Rees, and yet here I am. Tommy played great on Saturday night. His accuracy is outstanding, and I really appreciate how all of you take it for granted. Have we all forgotten Crist’s bouts with inaccuracy? It was on full display a week ago. You do not just replace Tommy Rees’ accuracy, and it’s his accuracy that has this offense purring. He makes all of the short throws that keep the offense on schedule with down and distance, and he also makes some really tight throws that I’m positive none of the other QBs could make. This business about potentially benching him for Hendrix or Golson…it’s just a classic case of the backup always being the most popular player in town. Since we haven’t seen them throw any incompletions yet, we can all just imagine all of the big plays they can make. Of course as soon as they hit the field, reality sets in and it’s on to the next guy.

Yeah I get it, turnovers. Let’s just ignore the fumble, please, that was a complete fluke that won’t happen again. I understand it was a crucial play in the game, but it’s such a fluke it’s not worth worrying about. Of the INTs, I thought the first was tolerable, the type of play that happens in a football game. The INT down at the goalline was obviously a poor throw, and there’s no defending it. I would just reiterate that Rees is a true sophomore making his 5th career start, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect him to not have perfect decision making just yet. The guy threw the ball REALLY well on Saturday, and to just ignore that is ridiculous. If Hendrix or Golson could throw like that, while also adding a running element, then absolutely bring them in. But I have a feeling they throw a lot more like Denard than they do Tommy. And how about that drive with a minute left? Notre Dame drove for the go-ahead TD with a minute left, and didn’t even have to use their timeout. That is outstanding execution.

Here’s the deal; Notre Dame has 9 turnovers in 2 games, which extrapolates to 54 over a 12 game season. Does anyone really think that’s going to happen? These turnovers will get cleaned up, I’m positive of it. Just continue executing, and the points will come. I’m positive of it.

Here’s what I love; Denard threw at least 6 or 7 passes that could have been picked off, beyond his three INTs, and yet he gets to walk away a hero because Gary Gray, Zeke Motta and Harrison Smith can’t locate the ball. People really need to start understanding that just because the result is good does not mean the process was. Those throws he made all night were awful. Almost all of his completions were jump balls that could have easily been intercepted, if those three secondary players hadn’t all forgotten how to play at the same time. It’s ridiculous really; Tommy Rees threw the ball great all night and he gets chastised, but Denard throws like sh!t and he’s a hero. Well not in my world. When passes that should be intercepted get completed, I don’t credit the QB, and I don’t credit Denard for much on Saturday night. He did do a nice job of finding a WIDE OPEN receiver at the end, and the throw to Hemmingway for 77 was good too, but otherwise his throws were garbage. To pretend otherwise would be intellectually dishonest. Nice jump balls Denard! Way to give Notre Dame ten opportunities at INTs!

by frank_grimes on Sep 12, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't ignore any of the fumbles.

We turned the ball over a lot last year too. We can’t ignore that so far, Kelly hasn’t been able t avoid turnovers. Shouldn’t the fumbles and picks be one of the first things that get cleaned up? Fumbles just shouldn’t happen, especially not by running backs. And we should be able to avoid picks against less-than-stellar secondaries, while running a qb-friendly system. I’m not jumping off of the Kelly bandwagon. I’m still firmly behind this staff, but why do we turn the ball over so much? A lot of these turnovers are unforced errors. Holtz said it first and Kelly repeated it last week: we can’t start winning until we stop losing.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 12, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually it's 10.

If you count the fumble on the kickoff with 2 seconds left, we actually have 10 turnovers.

Trying to remain objective, and failing miserably. You?

by Badhair on Sep 13, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Already said here, but

Ignoring fumbles leads to more fumbles.

by Huck Finn on Sep 13, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd and short was the problem....

Thanks to Jim Miesle for his comments. For some reason the turnovers didn’t bother me as much this time. But two runs into a waiting stone wall upset me more than anything. Can’t there be any creativity on third and short? It seemed all our running yardage came on first and second down when it wasn’t as expected. If the Irish could have extended a couple of drives with an out to Floyd or a screen or such. Or if they could have substituted Jerome Bettis for a play or two. Or heaven forbit a play action on third and short (maybe a long ball?). Then they could have maintained momentum and won the game instead of their conservative (read: give up) plays on third and short.

All that being said, you don’t give up on Brian Kelly despite his mistakes (and he has made mistakes). This team and coach has enough talent. If it takes time to turn around this ship then at least it can be seen it is turning the right direction….

by pjNDthots on Sep 12, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely right about the creativity, or I should say,

the lack of it on 3rd and short. I’ll take Bettis for that yard.

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to nit-pick, but thats 10 to's in 2 games for a 120th rank, and

you are right, it wont continue…hopefully. Right now Rees is basically all we have at QB, not doubting that Crist couldnt step in if he had to…but Rees needs to make some better decisions in the redzone. To quote Pete Samspon at irish Illustrated….“He’s thrown 4 INT’s in 73 attempts this season, one every 18.5 attempts he lets fly. Keep that up and the Irish start every game in a minus-two turnover hole. Throwing an INT in the redzone on first down into double coverage constitutes a debilitating brain cramp.”…end quote.

Those are all nice stats by Pete…for those 2 games, and I’m sure he doesnt expect this to be a reaccuring problem with Rees. I dont expect it to either as does ND Nation. The only problem I see with Rees, and its not a constant, is that he will make one or two poor decision’s in a game. Perhaps in a crucial part of the game in the huddle senior leadership can step up and say maybe….“if its there let it rip Tommy, if not throw it away and do it next down” Just some better decisions at crucial times

by Bill Rubin on Sep 12, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Someone mentioned that Rees is really slow to hand the ball off

To me it seemed like when Rees was under center, the exchange from the center to Rees was moving in slow motion. Maybe they’re more careful under center because they take so few snaps that way, but it sure made the running plays slower to develop. It obviously didn’t hurt us as we neared the 200-yard mark on rushing, but it could have been a factor on those 3rd and shorts. Why didn’t we try a qb sneak? The dive or off-tackle or whatever plays they tried weren’t even close to there. And as good as the O-line was, they were not great on those 3rd and short plays. Michigan blitzed so we were outnumbered up front, but the linemen that did fine someone to block didn’t seem to get a good push.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 12, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes I did mention the slow hand offs

Is that Rees just being in too much of a chill mode? It seems like they did it on purpose, especially because the running back has to time it perfectly too.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm talking about the Center to QB

exchange, not the QB to RB exchange, though the whole process looked like it was dipped in molasses.

Also, you didn’t mention Wood’s unforced fumble. Ball security is more important than anything for a running back. You must not fumble. Especially not if there aren’t three guys holding you up and stripping the ball. This fumble was unforgiveable, by which I mean that I forgive C-Dub and wish him 30 carries for 300 yards and 3 TD’s against State.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 12, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I did mention Wood's fumble. I waz dizappointed

You thought the center to QB exchange was slow too?

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

My B. Rees seemed to

hesitate for a half second once the ball was snapped. Watch the film and tell me I’m wrong. I can handle it. I won’t be able to disprove you because I deleted the game in disgust. But yeah, the under center exchanges seemed slow to me.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 12, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

My guess would be that Kelly told Rees to focus on not fumbling

And they worked on really slowing down the exchange process for both the center and running backs. That or….Rees is just kind of naturally slow with stuff like that.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we lose to Michigan

And we get the BTN ads all over SBNation.

Now we have an ad for Michigan gear. Way to rub it in…

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 12, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

3 Things

1. You are onto something in your QB analysis. More on that soon.
2. You nailed it on the secondary. Truly dispicable. If Denard Robinson was at all accurate, it would have been way worse.
3. I never thought I would be glad to see John Goodman out to return punts, but after seeing Riddick week one, I’ll take it.

by Chris Schumerth on Sep 12, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

nd for life

i think we can all agree we as fans are in a bad place right now. It has been a long time since the last complete season. this team and coaching staff deserve our unflinching support they go out on that field pulling our lives with them. they continually choose to sacrifice for us and a loud group of us reward that with fair-weather support and never-ending simple answers. i have never posted before but felt i had to put my support down for the interwebs to judge. nd for life, this is my team, this is my coach and i will be there no matter what the record and scoreboard are for life.

by djuda on Sep 12, 2011 10:24 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Amen, brother

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

by burger23 on Sep 12, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

We ARE. ND!

And we are one. Those who booed at the USF game, and those who say they’ll support the team once the team deserves support miss what is so great of CFB. This isn’t the pro’s. These guys aren’t getting paid. They work their butts off and actually go to college. They need to know we’re with them through it all. We’re going to get there if we learn from every opportunity and consider these tough ones changes to demonstrate resilience in the games that follow.

Trying to remain objective, and failing miserably. You?

by Badhair on Sep 13, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are right

booing a bunch of 18-22 year olds sucks. But… we played so terribly against South Florida, after having such high hopes coming out of fall camp, that I thought about booing for the first time ever. Not because we as fans deserve anything from them. It was just so damn disappointing because we know they could do better, and they just owe it to themselves not to come out and lay an egg like that. I was watching the game from home, and I didn’t boo, you’d be happy to know. I wouldn’t have booed in the stadium either.

Mouth Of The South

by Mouth of the South on Sep 15, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Monday night, and all I can say is GAAAAAHHHH

Good points by a lot of you, positive, negative, etc. That’s what’s so bewildering to me still. In a few days maybe I’ll be able to face it more. It’d be easy if we just stunk. We don’t. I thought by now we’d have an idea of what to expect for the season, and we don’t. Will we get steamrolled by MSU on Saturday? Maybe. Will we put it all together and win? Maybe. I have no idea. Cocaine is a hell of a drug. The best I can do is enjoy the games for what they are, not put too much stock in anything one way or the other, and refuse to let Saturday’s results affect my Sunday through Friday. I tell you what, Sunday and today were two of my most productive study days ever, staying away from ND blogs and EDSBS! I’ll be back around to seething with hatred for MSU by Friday, I’m sure, but right now, all I can think is “wow….what’s going to happen to us next?”

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by Kelly's Gyros on Sep 13, 2011 3:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Wait so you won't be here Tuesday through Thursday?

“If you leave me now, you take away the biggest part of me.”

/Chicago’d

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Sep 13, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll probably be in and out to read what's up.

But I actually just submitted a presentation proposal for a Japanese studies conference in January, so I have to actually start writing that so I don’t look like an idiot in my one and only academic conference. On top of the grad school overload I’m taking, it’s in my best interests to not spend 25 hours a day getting sucked into EDSBS. Here is less of a time-suck, so I’ll be around. Probably. Maybe. I think. Now, off to read all about Taiwanese defense policy for the next 2 hours.

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by Kelly's Gyros on Sep 13, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

"whats going to happen to us next"

We are going to pummel Michigan State……this team is angry, the coach and his staff are angry and they know they have played well enough to be 2-0 and they will take out all their frustrations on State and start on a streak of wins.

by Bill Rubin on Sep 13, 2011 7:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Ummm, angry was said last week.

 Is angry the new “nasty”.

"If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now."
"Curioufer and curioufer"

by Cranked_Irish on Sep 13, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The new nasty?

I sure hope not. I was embarrased when the obese guy from New Jersey announced, out loud and on purpose, that he was going to inject some nasty into a wholesome program with a clean reputation. And whose profanity as a way of life made BK’s purple-faced conniptions look like praying the rosary.

Trying to remain objective, and failing miserably. You?

by Badhair on Sep 15, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love the optimism.

But even more than the at the start of the season, talk is cheap. Show me on the field.

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by Kelly's Gyros on Sep 13, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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