Week One Practice Report: Getting Tough Up Front on Both Sides of the Ball
A full week of fall practice is in the books and the Irish are now just three weeks away from the season opener against
So far the team has been progressing nicely towards their goals and hasn't suffered many big injuries.
Saturday morning word came out that Tate "The Planet" Nichols did suffer a dislocated knee cap and will be out a month. Ethan Johnson was sick for morning practice as well and Zeke Motta was held out of some drills although he doesn't appear to have a serious injury of any kind.
Here is what’s been happening over the past week (all videos courtesy of Notre Dame's official site und.com):
Kelly has the Team Working on Running the Ball, Stopping the Run, and Getting Tough up Front.
This was the major storyline from Brian Kelly’s latest press conference with the media.
There might be some people out there who think Kelly is too married to his no-huddle spread attack and they’ll believe an emphasis on the run game when they see it---but I think he is serious.
That doesn’t mean he’ll be abandoning the spread, but I am convinced Kelly wants to alternate between a fast-paced offense and a slower one more reliant on pounding the football, and use both styles to suit his in-game needs.
Kelly mentioned the offense was slowing things down, working on running the ball, and focusing the quarterbacks on making smart decisions with the ball. We’re still likely to see the offense throw the ball often, but I’m betting the split will be very close to 50/50 in 2011, especially in non-blowout situations.
COMMENTARY: I'm very intrigued to see what this offense can do this year. Not necessarily from a production standpoint (although it's safe to say that area should improve), but more from a scheme, tempo, and style point of view.
I trust Kelly won't make things too complicated, but he has a lot of options to work with. He has two proven quarterbacks who can move the ball through the air. He has an offensive line that can make holes for the running game. He can spread teams out and throw the ball, then utilize the abundance of tight ends and come out in a power formation a play later. If that's not enough, someone like Hendrix can come in and the team can add even more wrinkles both running and passing the football.
Most of all, I just want to see Riddick and Wood in the backfield together running some of the options plays we saw during spring practice. That gets me really excited.
Quarterbacks
There hasn’t been a whole lot of news from this quarterback battle as the media hasn’t had much of an opportunity to watch the players in practice yet.
Through one week there haven’t been any surprises and it’s becoming clearer and clearer that Crist and Rees are fighting for the starting position with Crist still leading the race.
We all wish there was more to talk about but frankly, there isn't.
Following Saturday's practice, Kelly mentioned that Crist had been receiving the bulk of the first team snaps throughout the week, but that Rees got the bulk of the 1st team reps on Saturday.
Running Backs
It is expected that Cierre Wood takes his game to the next level and becomes a very potent starter. His fall camp so far only reinforces that point.
Reports have Jonas Gray looking very quick and fleet-of-foot which is a good sign. Gray has been featured in a couple articles around the country and now that he appears 100% healthy he might be ready to contribute in a serious way.
Both freshmen running backs in McDaniel and Atkinson have been working a lot on special teams in the return game, but there’s been little insight into how they are progressing at their normal position.
Both could probably use some more size, but witnesses at practice have commented on how fast they look. They are two very important freshmen right now.
COMMENTARY: I don't think it can be overstated just how important bringing speed and quickness to the Irish backfield really is. Cierre Wood aside, when was the last time Notre Dame had someone who could be described as speedy at running back?
McDaniel and Atkinson might take a while to get used to the college game and be able to pick up blitzes and things of that nature, but look for them to add a jolt of speed to the running game in the second half of the season or even earlier.
Offensive Line
This unit is slowly getting really tough and dominant. Last year’s late-season success on offense could largely be attributed to the offensive linemen finally getting comfortable in the spread and smacking the other team in the mouth. With so many starters returning that confidence is growing and now even backups are starting to look good.
The lineup of Martin-Watt-Cave-Robinson-Dever looks rock solid, but the coaches have been very pleased with Andrew Nuss (who is getting first team reps at left guard), Christian Lombard, Mike Golic, and even freshman Connor Hanratty.
This is called working with quality depth!
Senior Trevor Robinson has been singled out as the leader of the line, which is good news.
After the injury to Tate Nichols the second team unit was as follows from left to right across the line: Lombard, Watt, Golic, Hanratty, and Nick Martin.
Also, freshman Matt Hegarty has been lining up at guard, while
Wide Receivers
Floyd has been very sharp and in great shape, but the big news thus far has been TJ Jones who is cross-training at both the outside position and in the slot. Seeing Jones step up and have a great camp so far is good news for the team, and even better for him personally after losing his father earlier this summer.
Theo Riddick has also been cross-training at both the slot and outside positions. Don't be surprised to see Floyd and Riddick on the outside with Toma in the slot as the regular early-season starting lineup.
It’s pretty clear that Kelly really likes freshman Davaris Daniels, but he has mentioned that Daniels’ head is spinning a little bit with learning his routes and responsibilities. I wouldn’t expect to see a lot of Daniels in the first month of the season, but after that I think he makes a big impact.
COMMENTARY: Daniels has a lot of potential and I thought he was polished enough to come in and be productive as a freshman. This latest news from Kelly's mouth is concerning, but I still think Daniels is pushing Goodman very hard for backup time behind Floyd or Jones. Like I've said before, I'm banking on Kelly wanting Daniels to be very developed and full of experience by the time 2012 rolls around with Floyd no longer on the team.
Tight Ends
Not a whole lot of information from this group, other than the fact that freshman Ben Koyack is very big and quite strong for his age. That’s why Kelly said months ago he’d probably see the field in 2011.
COMMENTARY: Most of the time a player like Koyack would step right in and play as a freshman. But even if he really is a special talent and athletic freak---and all indications are that he is---doesn't it still seem just a little bit foolish to burn a year of eligibility with three very good tight ends also on the team?
I'm still having trouble understanding how Kelly thinks he'll definitely play. I wonder if Koyack is going to be used quite often split out wide as a receiver? It's pretty shocking that he's already the heaviest tight end, but apparently has outstanding speed to boot. Should we be surprised if Koyack is used mainly as a receiver, even on the outside?
Defensive Line
Here’s where a lot of the attention has been so far this camp.
Ends Ethan Johnson and Kapron Lewis-Moore are reportedly in tremendous shape and are poised for very big seasons. Kelly praised Johnson in his latest press conference and looks for him to be a leader of the team.
In somewhat of a small surprise, it appears that for now Louis Nix is the presumed starter at nose tackle, with Sean Cwynar a close backup. I know there are some high expectations for Nix, but he really does look like the type of game-changing linemen that is going to have a massive impact right away.
For the third nose tackle position, freshman Tony Springmann is fighting hard with Hafis Williams. Apparently Springmann has been playing well in the middle despite his rather un-nose guard-like height of nearly 6’6".
The coaches have been pretty mute with the praise of Lynch and Tuitt, but you can expect both to see the field often. I’m pretty sure the coaches will be hard on them in the press to make sure they keep their heads on straight.
COMMENTARY: It's really difficult not to get excited about Nix and Lynch's impact this year, to say nothing of what Tuitt could possibly bring to the table. Lynch still has work to do as far as learning the system, but many think he's only a skinny speed rusher off the edge...yet he's still dominating physically against some of the team's best linemen. Don't we realize how rare that is for a true freshman?
And Nix, well I'm not going to be surprised if he's one of the best nose tackles in the country, particularly out of those who play in a 3-4 system, and I really mean that. He's huge, has good athleticism for his size, and puts it all together with a mean streak and high motor. How will he not be dominant? How can he literally push anyone back that goes up against him and not be one of the best linemen in the country? He's going to be very special.
Linebackers
The one big question mark was the starter next to Te’o in the Will position, and it appears last years starter Carlo Calabrese has the lead. He is being pushed hard by Dan Fox however.
Kelly did mention that true sophomore Kendall Moore has been fighting with Anthony McDonald to be Manti’s backup at the Mike position.
On the outside, Prince Shembo and Danny Spond are fighting for playing time at the Dog spot, but Kelly said Shembo is starting to distance himself from Spond now.
On the other side, Darius Fleming was getting a lot of praise from Kelly who said he believes he will be a player on the national scene in 2011.
Also, Ishaq Williams is becoming more comfortable with his responsibilities and is allowing his athleticism to take over instead of thinking too much. Williams looks to be in the two-deep at Cat for now and in line for solid playing time.
Fellow freshman Troy Niklas was recently moved from the defensive line to outside linebacker. Who knows if Niklas stays there, with his size he could probably play four different positions. Following Saturday's practice, Kelly said Niklas (whose nickname is Hercules) will play both the Dog and Cat positions. He loves the way he plays in space and thinks he is a special talent.
COMMENTARY: For some reason I find the two position battles at linebacker boring. We know Shembo and Spond are going to get a lot of playing time and that Calabrese is likely to stay beside Te'o. Now my focus and attention is turning to the young guns like Councell, Rabasa, and Niklas because all three might be able to see the field at some point in 2011, so these should be the linebackers to keep an eye on right now.
Secondary
Corners Gary Gray and Robert Blanton are doing their thing as expected, and there has been mostly positive news from the two young backups.
Lo Wood is improving and you can sense that he’s gaining the trust of the staff. Converted wide receiver Bennett Jackson has the speed, toughness, and tackling ability to become a great corner, but despite pretty glowing reviews, Kelly says he is far too inconsistent.
Freshmen Josh Atkinson, and especially Jalen Brown are performing pretty well.
Obviously Harrison Smith has his spot on lock down, but Zeke Motta and Jamoris Slaughter are fighting for the other safety position. Kelly has said whenever the team uses its nickel package they will use either Motta or Slaughter as the fifth secondary player.
COMMENTARY: Still waiting to hear something on freshman safety Eilar Hardy. I thought he would be a prime candidate to see some PT this year, but his weight was pretty alarming as it is listed in the media guide. I didn't see him being giving the old Notre Dame redshirt, but it's possible it could happen.
Special Teams
No word yet on the field goal kickers, but it would take a miracle for anyone to overtake David Ruffer there. Ben Turk has looked a little more consistent in the punt game in comparison to freshman Kyle Brindza, but the staff would like to be happier about this unit, although Turk was singled out by Kelly after Saturday's practice.
The freshman Brindza appears likely to be the kickoff specialist.
In the return game, the coaching staff is currently auditioning many players for various roles and sorting through who they think can handle the duties.
Theo Riddick, Bennett Jackson, John Goodman, Harrison Smith, George Atkinson, Cam McDaniel, and Davaris Daniels are all vying for duties in the punt and kick return game.
Special teams are a huge emphasis for the coaching staff right now.
How Many Freshmen Will Play?
Kelly stated on Saturday that between 6 and 10 freshmen will play in 2011.
The top six in my opinion are: RB George Atkinson III, DE Aaron Lynch, RB Cam McDaniel, WR Davaris Daniels, DE Stephon Tuitt, and OLB Ishaq Williams. You can also add K/P Kyle Brindza as a likely seventh.
The next most likely are: CB Jalen Brown, TE Ben Koyack, OLB Troy Niklas, and DT Tony Springmann.
If there are injuries, expect the following freshmen to push for playing time: CB Josh Atkinson, S Eilar Hardy, OLB Ben Councell, and LB Anthony Rabasa.
COMMENTARY: It was a really solid first week of practice. I know there's been a tendency to brush off Kelly's comments in regards to getting tough up front and learning how to run the ball, but I think he means business.
Kelly has always been a coach who plays to his team's strengths, and now that he has more options to work with and high quality linemen on both sides of the ball, it would reason that he's going to get more comfortable with slowing things down and running the ball more often.
Without great depth at running back and two experienced quarterbacks that aren't perfect fits within the system, we aren't about to see a huge turn away from the passing game. But you can see the wheels starting to turn inside Kelly's head with the way he's run practice this week and some of the comments he's made in the past---mainly he doesn't need a fancy offense at Notre Dame, but just has to win football games.
I'm looking for double tight end sets, a mobile change of pace quarterback, and option football with Wood and Riddick in the backfield with the quarterback as three major boosts to the running game in 2011.
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Oh, preseason optimism, how we all love you.
We’re undefeated, things are going to be great this year, everybody looks stronger, faster, better….
There are 119 other teams all saying the same things right now. 118 of them will be wrong.
In all seriousness, what are going to be the big issues? What’s going to bite us? What problems does Kelly have to overcome? The only thing I really read negative up there is that they’re not happy with the punter. What else?
At least you’re not NDNation, twisting Kelly’s words in the most negative way possible. I’m going into the season with an optimistic, yet “show me” attitude, but those guys seem to want Kelly to fail.
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Because you are very successfully getting my expectations very high… And Notre Dame football is already pretty good at breaking my possessions.
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Is this really overly-optimistic though?
To a point, this is always the time of year to be optimistic. That’s just the way it goes. 99% of the time all the players do look stronger, faster, better, etc.
The questions is, will they be stronger, faster, better than the competition? For example, a stronger and better Carlo Calabrese still might not be good enough against Stanford or USC.
Some issues:
1.) Still no clearly defined starting QB
2.) The two likely starters at QB have some rather big issues with their game
3.) Lack of RB depth
4.) Floyd possibly slipping up
5.) Not a lot of proven receivers
6.) Scary CB depth
7.) The “new” speed and depth on the outside inexperienced
8.) MLB opposite Te’o a bit lacking
Sky rockets in flight.
I didn't say it was "OVERLY" optmistic
But I find it just as hard to believe any of the pre-season feel good as I do to get excited about recruit signing day. Kelly’s never going to say “well, we really just signed this guy because our top choices at the position weren’t available”, even though that happens. And so we’re never going to go into the season saying “well, we could be good, but we’re also having a problem with X”. Sure, Aaron Lynch is exciting…but until I see him playing, it’s hard for me to get excited about him THIS YEAR.
We COULD be fantastic and win all our games. Nothing ever goes 100% right, though, and I’m still convinced we’ll lose 2 to teams we can beat simply because of depth/experience issues.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 15, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I also think you're kind of missing the point of my comment.
While I can agree with most of all you guys are writing, every other team blog on SBN is writing the same things about their team right now (except Texas A&M, who is writing a lot of “Furk” at being rejected by the SEC). Some will be right—some will be wrong. I hope you guys are right, but we won’t know until we get into the season, and we beat USF by 40.
/ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 15, 2011 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Well let me reply that you are missing my point as well.
We don’t have to win every game to be right or wrong about the optimism we see in fall camp. And we don’t have to beat USF by 40 either.
And so we’re never going to go into the season saying "well, we could be good, but we’re also having a problem with X".
Absolutely, we are going into any season saying that.
That might not be the topic of discussion in the majority of practice reports, or this one right here, but we definitely don’t bury our head in the sand with some of the issues the team may have.
Just relax and enjoy this time of the year. Don’t let the skepticism prevent you from getting excited about Aaron Lynch, that sounds almost depressing as Notre Dame actually losing games. And don’t let the fact that the Irish haven’t gone undefeated and murdered 13 opponents in a row prevent you from getting excited for the season.
I mean, besides maybe Louis Nix there wasn’t a player in here that I specifically talked about who I think is going to be lights out good.
QB-Nothing to really say right now
RB-Wood with great potential, Gray practicing well, freshmen are speedy
OL-Veteran group, good depth, working hard on being tough
WR-Still trying to figure out 2nd outside guy, Daniels might push for PT
TE-3 good options, with a freshman in the mix with a lot of talent
DL-Not irrational optimism, but optimism because we haven’t seen the depth and perceived talent here in many, many years
LB-Kelly loves Fleming and Niklas. Carlo & Shembo winning their battles. We have Te’o
CB-Two really good vets, younger backups show signs, but still need work
S-Three really good options, still trying to build a 4th or 5th option
ST-Punting remains inconsistent
You’re a skeptic and that’s fine. It’s probably why you read this practice report and thought it meant we are going to win the national championship, or that it had too much optimism, or whatever your point ultimately was.
There are plenty of issues if you just read between the lines, and it’s not like we refuse to talk about them. I hardly think we’re going to ever say, "Bennett Jackson has shown flashes of brilliance at corner, but he also makes some huge mistakes. If there are injuries to any starting corner and he has to play….we’re probably going to lose at least one game because of it and that will stop the team from “being back.”
We’re not going to be overly concerned and critical like that with practice reports sewn together from 30 minute media viewing time and parcels of info coming from some beat writers and what have you. Now, if Kelly comes out and says that Position X and Y are a huge concern, then yeah…we’ll talk about how that hurts the team. But we don’t have any glaring major issues like we did in the past and saying so doesn’t automatically mean we’ll be awesome this year either.
Also, can we agree you are the type of fan that is going to be ridiculously hard to please? I say that because you tend to be a little bit of a Debbie Downer (that’s okay), but you also always bring up that it’s not about the winning but how the team wins.
Okay, I agree somewhat it is about how they win, specifically if we see a repeat of 2006, which I know you have a hard time shaking. But I just think it’s funny how someone like me or Whiskey tend to be very optimistic at times like this, and you apparently are in a fervent “show me” mode, and how it should be me and Whiskey who are setting ourselves up to be let down the most.
Yet, if we go 10-3 or 11-2, me and Whiskey will be pretty happy and I bet you’ll be complaining about the losses, the close wins, the problems we still have, the program isn’t back yet, etc.
It kind of seems like you’re in this weird “I’m protecting myself mode” where half of you is believing in the same old same old underachieving ND team that will lose 3 or 4 games, but then also your other half is setting the bar at “national title or bust”, so either way you’ll most likely end up being disappointed.
That doesn’t sound like too much fun.
/psychology’d
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand where KG is coming from
It’s easy to get washed up in the hype, but the fact remains that this team went 7-5 in the regular season after going 6-6 the previous two, and lost to Navy again. I’ll find it easier to predict 10 wins when the team actually wins 10 games for once.
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It’s easy to get washed up in the hype
Well, not for everybody apparently!
I’ll find it easier to predict 10 wins when the team actually wins 10 games for once.
Whoa, don’t risk your neck like that! You sure you don’t want to wait for three or four consecutive 10-win seasons before making that prediction?
:)
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You and KG are not not pessimistic, you're being realistic
This team has a lot to prove. I am cautiously optimistic but they have a lot to prove still. I enjoy Murtaugh’s optimism, but this team has not proven anything yet.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 15, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys aren't making sense to me.
The team hasn’t proven anything yet……..because they haven’t played any games!!
This is what predictions are all about. Predicting before the team plays, not waiting until October and then making predictions. ND has the talent and coaching to win 10 games. I refuse to act like we’re Purdue and that is some pie in the sky dream, because it’s not.
It’s like people saying, “Yeah, well we should win a couple games before we’re ranked in the top 20.”
^ We’ll hear this one a lot when the AP Poll comes out Saturday.
Saying you predict 10 wins when the team actually wins 10 games is like dividing by zero. We’re Notre Dame, not freaking Minnesota. It shouldn’t be some uncharted territory or unreachable goal to win 10 games. It wasn’t THAT long ago that we won 10 games!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what you want
Are we supposed to just agree with you and say “10 wins! BCS!”?
If you want my opinion, I’d put our record at 9-3 this year. I think we lose to Stanford, drop one between UM and MSU, and lose one in the AFA/USC/Navy trifecta in the middle of the season. I do think we can win every game, but I’ll feel a lot better if the defense plays well against USF and the last four games weren’t just smoke and mirrors. That might be enough to get us into a BCS game, but I don’t know. Ending the season on a loss would hurt our chances.
That’s just what I think…
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But that's pretty much the same record that I've predicted
That’s what I don’t understand.
Everyone is saying my stuff is dripping in optimism and others in the comment section are being more “realistic.”
Realistically, this team shouldn’t have too much of a problem winning 9 or 10 games.
Now, if we agree that 9 or 10 wins is realistic, then I can’t be dripping in too much optimism.
This is where the disconnect is here. I think we COULD win 11 or 12 games, but I think it’s fair to be in “show me” mode with a goal like that. But 9 or 10 wins? There’s no way it can be seen as optimistic that we can’t improve by one or two games.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
what doesn't make sense?
You are more optimistic than burger and me, what is tough to figure out?
As for what this team has proved? As I said, I am cautiously optimistic, I think they will win at least 9 games, possibly more. But the reality is the team was not that good last year, so they need to to show that they have improved, by winning games. Until then I will be in wait and see mode.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 15, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa, dude.
Yep, sure got me pegged. I’m all “national title or bust”.
Burger has my actual thoughts down pretty well in his reply to you. But I’m a Debbie Downer who obviously won’t be pleased unless we win every game by 50. Sure. Anyone who I’ve interacted with for any period of time at EDSBS or HLS knows that’s not me at all. I’m just simply not going to consider us back in NC contention until we’re actually back in NC contention. I’ll be happy with the team if they show progress from last year, and that’s not necessarily measured by wins or losses, but in how they play the games.
Sorry to be a buzzkill for your preseason hype. I’m just trying to offer what I consider a more tempered perspective. Apparently that’s not wanted.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 15, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again....
I’m just simply not going to consider us back in NC contention until we’re actually back in NC contention.
We’ve already gone over this. I don’t think we’ll be in national championship contention this year. I’ve predicted a 10-3 season. The vast majority of college football people are thinking just about the same way. How is this “preseason hype”??
I don’t know what else to tell you. I don’t think you offered a more tempered perspective. It just sounded like you were complaining that this practice report wasn’t filled with more negativity (they rarely are) and then offered some vague statement about how 119 teams are doing the same. What’s your point ultimately?
It was so vague that you claimed 119 teams would be “wrong” as if the Irish going 12-1 would prove this practice report false. Huh?
I don’t see where in this practice report there is undue hype, or claims that this team is so talented that we’ll win the title this year. If you want to debate specific examples that made you feel that way then go right ahead.
I’ve been calmly saying we’ll go 10-3 and reporting on what is shaping up to be one of the more well-rounded and deep Irish rosters in a long time. Nothing has changed. I’m not going to be cornered as the “optimist” guy when what I’ve been saying is pretty standard across the country.
That’s why it doesn’t add up. If you find me calling for an undefeated record and title aspirations, then please bring me back down to earth. But my feet are planted firmly on the ground.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, I think I know what's going on
I think it’s safe to say the three of us all pretty much feel the same way: probably 9 or 10 wins, possibly a BCS game. I think we’re just going at it in different ways.
Eric is saying, “The defense looks strong and and offense should be good! 9 or 10 wins here we come!”
While KG and I are saying, “The defense looked good at the end of the year, but let’s see if that can carry over. Plus there’s still some holes on offense. This team can win 9 or 10 games, but I have my fingers crossed.”
I think we’re all coming to the same conclusion. I don’t think anyone is being a koolaid guzzler or a defeatist.
Let’s just have a group hug, and remember: ELE
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See!
That wasn’t that hard!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much
I don’t think Eric’s saying we’re going to win the NC. But if we win 10 games, there will be plenty of elements out there who print the “Returning to Glory”™ headline because it sells papers. My point is that even if we win 10 games, we’re nowhere near that. I don’t want to be in the 2006 position again. I want the hype to come when something is there to justify it. I don’t think we’re a failure if we lose 2 games, nor do I think we’re a failure if we lose 4. I’ll be happy after every win, and sad after every loss. But the point is to get back to NC contention, yes? And while 10 wins this season will be progress, it won’t mean “WE’RE BACK”. Perhaps I’ve done a poor job of communicating it, but I don’t necessarily think Eric is saying that 10 wins = we’re back, but there are those that will say that, and it won’t necessarily be true.
Now, that said, 10 games and a BCS loss would be great, because it would be progress. This isn’t 2006, because we wouldn’t be losing the core of our team and starting over with freshman QB’s and no depth. Whiskey’s right in his post that a lot of the systemic problems like depth are being corrected, and I see that. All I’m saying is that this isn’t a 2 year process, it’s a 5 or more year process. I’m actually trying to argue that 9-3 and a decent mid-tier bowl is SUCCESS this year. But if everything is OMG EVERYONE LOOKS STRONGER AND FASTER AND WE KNOW THE SYSTEM BETTER, then expectations get set much higher, regardless of what Eric says his prediction is. Everyone in the country right now thinks their team is “better” than last year. There’s nothing to glean from preseason talk by the coaches or the players, because right now at Michigan, their players are saying the same thing. At MSU, it’s the same. Etc.
I’ll say it right now—I’ll be happy with 8-5, as long as we win the games we win in a dominant fashion and don’t lose while looking like we did against Navy. I think we should do better than that, but I’m not going to pin hopes on this one season. It’s a process. The defense looked good at the end of last year, but the 4 game win streak was against not-so-hot teams. I want to see it stop Navy, or Denard Robinson. Yes, I’m a glass half empty kind of guy, because we’ve been here before. There are reasons to think it will be different, but I’m not going to get exuberant about it until then.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 15, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
an 8 win season should not be considered a success
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 15, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it shouldn't.
But I’m not going to be crushed by it, if there are other things I can point to that show progress.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 15, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be super hard not to be crushed by 8-5 again.
Theoretically you maybe right if there are signs of progress but I don’t see how that could be possible with 5 losses. Losses to USC, Stanford, and MSU? Yeah….that could happen.
But another loss to Michigan?
Navy?
Air Force?
A middling team in a bowl game?
It seems to me that given what we saw last year, A LOT of stuff would have to go wrong for the record not to improve or progress not be shown too.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hence the "if"
I’ll admit it’s a longshot to think that 8-5 would come with any form of “progress”, but I hate dealing in absolutes.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 15, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
the only way one could not not be disappointed by an 8 win season
is if there was a catastrophic series of injuries. If the team is healthy and only manages 8 wins … bad season pure and simple. While the schedule has no patsies, it is not loaded with elite teams either (per preseason rankings only Stanford qualifies as elite), so it is, by ND standards, quite manageable. 8 wins = bad season.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 16, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
We do agree pretty much
I think we’re just coming from different angles really.
All the “Return to Glory” and “We’re Back” stuff…that’s largely media hype from outside South Bend. We all know it isn’t true until there’s a crystal ball on campus, or at least multiple BCS bowl victories. I don’t really care if other people hype our team….it doesn’t bother me in the least bit. Neither does giving the team a high ranking.
Expectations are much higher because the players are getting better. That’s why they should win two more games in 2011.
I will disagree with being happy with 8-5. With all the crap that went on last year we still achieved that goal. It would be terribly disappointing to lose just as many games this year.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Expectations are higher, and they should be
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Aug 15, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
"Expectations are much higher because the players are getting better. That’s why they should win two more games in 2011."
Everyone on our schedule says their players are “getting better”. I believe our players are getting better, but are they getting better relative to Michigan’s? Or Navy’s? I don’t know. I think so…but I don’t know.
All I ever ask of our team is forward momentum. I agree that 8-5 isn’t something to be “happy” about. My point was that whether we’re 12-0 or 8-5, what we need is progress, and that’s simply not measurable only in wins and losses. We do agree—I think we’ll win 10 games, drop 2 or 3 because we’re not there yet in the depth (it’s better, but young) and our QB’s are serviceable but not great. If we go to a BCS game, it depends on who we get as a matchup. I don’t think we will have improved enough to handle the SEC #2 or whomever. ACC team? Big East champ? Yeah, we should be able to compete against them. Success for me this season isn’t measured in W’s and L’s—it’s if we’re set up going into 2012 to make a serious run at a BCS and winning it.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 15, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Our players are getting better
And our players are better. However you want to measure it, we’re more talented than 11 out of the teams teams. That’s a large basis for a team winning 10 games. We’re just used to that talent not developing or improving, but I think those days are gone.
For the record, I think we take a step back in 2012, compared to this upcoming season.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's going to be hard not to take a step back in 2012 with that schedule
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And that's why I care less about record this season and more about progress as a team
and building depth. Because we’re going to need it in 2012, but I think if a lot of “if’s” go our way, we’ll be legit in 2012.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 15, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Right to the point about being a fan Eric
I’ve rooted for Irish football for over 55 years and have had a lot of great seasons as well as awful seasons. each year I hope for a 12-0 record, if the Irish went 0-12, I would still be optimistic for the next year. I watch recruting, I get my hopes up, I read at sites like OFD and others, I get all the info I can on the upcoming season and the new guys. I get super pumped up for each new season and maybe a little overly optimistic at times but its called being a fan….I prefer the optimistic view rather than the “downer” view.
I supposed you’ve herad by now that Hardy is lost for the season. Do you think that Farley, who was recruited as a DB , will be shifted back to that spot from WR, or will it be to late to get significant practice time?
I think Farley stays at WR
It didn’t appear from the first week of fall practice that Hardy was in line to be on the two-deep.
As long as there are no major injuries, we should be okay with Hayseed, Motta, and Slaughter…with McCarthy and Collinsworth as backups.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 16, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
We should be optomistic
I have been yammering on about the fact that this team should be able to win games with this roster for 3 seasons now. We all know how it worked out in 2009 but in 2010 we got a nice little uptick there in the 2nd half of the season.
As ND fans we are predisposed to expect disappointment after the last 2 decades. But we have a couple of major changes factoring into the equation right now.
1. The quality depth has progressively gotten better over the last couple of seasons. I broke it down a few days ago and I’ll go deeper through each position group over the next couple of weeks. But the bottom line is this. We’ll get to the 3’s this fall before we have a very talented freshman on the field at most position groups. 2+ years ago that kid was starting because there was nobody else.
2. This fall will mark the first time since 2006 that the Defense was playing the exact same system for two consecutive seasons.
2007 Brown (prayers)
2008 Brown/ Tenuta hybrid “34 personnel”
2009 Tenuta “Tenuta make blitz”
2010 Diaco
Just think about that in terms of development. Brian Smith and Co. never played the same system two years in a row. No wonder the D was brutal! This defense is deep, and most importantly has quality depth in the front 7.
In my opinion the perceived “adjustment” in Kelly’s offensive philosophy might have more to do with the defense than the offense. He knows this defense is going to be good. That means he doesn’t have to turn every game into a track meet and hang 50 on everyone. The offense just needs to be steady, put up 27 points and eat some clock. Against the vast majority of the schedule that is likely going to get the W.
Embrace it. This is going to be a great season.
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I think it will be a good season, that will set the stage for TRULY great seasons in the future.
And I agree that depth and scheme are getting better, and they will be helped out by the consistent coaching. I’m not predicting 6-6 or anything. More than anything, though, I need to see HOW we win before I can buy in to being “great” or “back”. There’s a whole lot of “should”—I agree with all you say as “should”. Until we see it, though, it’s all “should”, and there’s been a lot of “should” over the past decade that never turned into "did’.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 15, 2011 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
From some practice reports I've read,
Alex Welch has played extremly well so far and could push Ragone for the back up spot to Eifert. Cam McDaniel has showed a lot of promise and so far is the 3rd back behind Wood and Grey.
Only negative thing I’ve found is that ishaq seems to be just going thru the motions so far and has a lack of intensity….which is understandable for some young kids. They come in as a “big fish” in their pond(H.S.League), to a team where everyone is the “big Fish”…they adjust eventually.
Welch did have a nice article out yesterday was it?
The coaches really seem to like him, but it does seem to be a lot of generic praise so far. That’s not to say that he won’t be great, but Kelly made some pretty startling comments about Eifert last year. I’m sure Welch will push Ragone for the 2nd string spot. In fact, Welch is probably likely to be the 2nd teamer when it comes down to receiving from that position. It wouldn’t surprise me if Ragone is used 95% of the time as a blocker only. And that might help explain why Koyack will have the opportunity to get some reps as a receiver from the tight end position.
It’s been hard to get a read on young backs so far, or should I say…I was hoping one of them (probably McDaniel) was going to blow the coaches away with his talent. I know I have high hopes for him. It seemed GA3 was getting more praise initially, but now Cam McD is starting to prove himself.
I have to say my expectations aren’t very high for Ishaq THIS YEAR. In fact, going over the list of freshmen who should play, I kept thinking “I’m not sure he plays this year.”
If the coaches can get Filer going I would be more convinced, but Williams is likely to play and play quite a bit. I guess I just didn’t see enough “wow” factor to think that Ishaq is going to be a quality backup right away. I definitely feel like people were just saying great things about him because that’s what people were saying, if you know what I mean…and not really basing it on his performance thus far. In the spring game for example, some were gushing about his athleticism and some of the plays he made….but I had a hard time noticing him.
Of course I still think he’ll be great, but it might take some time. I don’t feel that way about Lynch at the moment though.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Its hard not to be excited
about this year’s addition of the Fighting Irish. Of course, I say that every year, and for the record was pretty confident that the ‘07 edition would win 7 games. Anyway, I have to agree with several people who have pointed out the quality of the back-ups at most positions—it is a luxury that this program hasn’t had for some time.
Nix looked pretty darn good in the practice footage, but my question is how many snaps a game can he play? I think if he is on the field for 25 or so, he will be doing pretty well.
It's getting really hard for me not to hype Nix more than I have
So I will refrain right now!!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Expectations
ND like every team has some worries. Depth at a couple positions, more consistent punting, the return game and especially strong QB play. What’s exciting is most teams have way more worries than the Irish. Most positions at ND either have a high quality veteran( Floyd, Teo) or competion between 2 or 3 guys, most of those having at least some experience. Add to this, the expected jump of the second yr. under Kelly and the nice finish to last season.
Yup, let’s get excited.
Eric, if you’ve followed spring and fall practice, you can’t help but to have noticed Nix and Lynch. I find myself watching the limited film we see and wondering to myself “OMG can these two really be this good?” I’m sure they both have much to learn but, their physical skill seems to be off the charts. Add to this Stephon Tuitt and you have to believe that in the next year or two ND will have the best D-line they’ve had in years, many years. I think these names will be known to most college football fans very soon.
Yup, let’s get excited.
Does anyone else hate
that Notre Dame opens against South Florida, while most other schools open against cupcakes? Notre Dame’s schedule is outrageous. The worst teams they’ll play, most likely, are still teams that compete in the ACC and SEC. There isn’t a single game on the schedule where I just think, yep that’s an easy win. I mean yes they should beat Wake Forest, but is it really such a gimme?
I guess it is a source of pride for Notre Dame that they do schedule name opponents, but when wins are the name of the game it’s okay to schedule a few gimmes. The traditional rivals (Purdue, Mich., Mich. St., Stanford, USC, Navy, Boston College, maybe Pitt) are plenty tough, I think. The other games don’t need to include freaking Maryland and South Florida. And then next year Oklahoma and Miami get thrown on the schedule, on top of the traditional rivals. This team will literally have to be one of the best in the country to get through next season’s schedule.
This is a self-inflicted handicap. There’s no reason they can’t schedule a team like Western Michigan every season, just to have a breather in between all of those competitive rivalry games. You think playing Purdue is easy? Not when playing you is their Super Bowl. I just know I’m already going to be pissed off when Notre Dame finishes 9-4, identical to Big Ten schools who scheduled FCS opponents, and people don’t consider that good enough.
It's a tough road
That is for sure.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 15, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm good with it
I’ve always felt that was part of what made Notre Dame special – every game matters. Teams like Michigan or Penn State may only play one legitimate team before October, but it doesn’t seem to help them in the long run.
Most importantly though: it’s only 20 days away!
ND's schedule inversion.
Most teams start off with cupcakes to ease into the difficult portion of their season – conference play. Because ND lacks the conference opponents, we have to play the quality teams on our schedule whenever they can fit it in… which results in an exceptionally tough first month, month and a half. Then late October and November rolls around, and suddenly ESPN is complaining because we play such a “weak” schedule, with teams like Wake and service acadamies – conveniently forgetting that we started off the season with the toughest first 5 games in the country.
If ND started off with teams like FCS Midwest it would make the *perception" of ND’s schedule in the 2nd half of the season that much worse.
I think it's intereting Nuss is pushing Watt for playing time
Watt played a lot more than Nuss did last year, so I’m going to assume Nuss has made big strides and it’s not Watt getting worse.
I’m also not thrilled with Tate’s injury. I think Kelly would have been playing Lomard and Nichols fairly often to keep Martin and Dever fresh, but with a true frosh in the two-deep, that probably won’t happen. No sense in burning Martin’s redshirt for one or two early season games.
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Don't care if it's overly optimistic.
I’m pumped.
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