Some Irish Home Games on Versus: How Does This Change Notre Dame Football?
On Tuesday August, 9th an article appeared in the sports section of the Salt Lake Tribune that spilled the beans on some (apparent) future moves for Notre Dame football on television.
Said new NBC Sports Group Chairman Mark Lazarus,
"We’re going to take a game or two [of Notre Dame football] and put it on Versus."
In January 2012, the channel Versus will be re-branded the NBC Sports Network in the wake of Comcast’s majority takeover of NBC Universal in January of this year.
Comcast now owns 51% of NBC Universal, with General Electric holding a 49% stake. Comcast has made it known for sometime that they are aggressively looking to build up the NBC Sports Network as a direct competitor to ESPN.
Lasarus continued,
"What we really want to do is try and find stuff that can build up the cable channel [NBC Sports Network]. That’s the key. That’s where all the money is."
It appears Notre Dame football will be an important aspect of building up this new NBC Sports Network.
First of all, we’ve been covering this topic at One Foot Down for over a year and knew that moving Irish games to cable was a possibility, but we didn’t believe an announcement would happen this quickly.
It was generally believed that Comcast would make a decision once it became clear exactly how good Notre Dame would become under Brian Kelly, which would allow them wait on some ratings of upcoming games, and see where to go from there. That they are willing to use Notre Dame in such a prominent way after just one year of Kelly in South Bend, it likely means Comcast is extremely serious about building up the NBC Sports Network.
We would like more information on this topic and find it odd that this rather bombshell of a news story would drop in a tiny column of a paper in Utah, so we’ll have to see what Notre Dame officially has to say about all of this.
Secondly, this wasn’t the best way to break the news with some of these quotes from Lazarus (who has succeeded noted Notre Dame enthusiast Dick Ebersol as chairman of NBC Sports). It would have been better if there were more details involved and not simply, "Yeah, we're going to move some games to cable because that's where the money is."
Like many, my initial reaction was quite negative towards this news, mostly because the statement felt hurried and too off the cuff. Right now it does feel like Notre Dame is being used (even if it also means the Notre Dame brand is still highly valued), but we're simply not used to news like this breaking without a clear statement of goals from the university.
Let’s sort through this and look at the positives and negatives from what we know right now.
The Negatives
Moving Some Home Games to Cable is Perceived as Being Pushed Down the Totem Pole
The key word here is perceived.
This might not necessarily be true (more on that in a bit), but there a lot of people who see games leaving a broadcast network like NBC and heading to the wild frontier of cable as a definite drop in prestige.
The perception might not matter as much as the end results, though.
Moving some games from a channel that everyone with a television can tune into might not seem like a good idea, but it could pay off if Notre Dame football is a key feature of a increasingly popular and profitable cable network.
Can ND Still Sell Playing on "Free" Cable for Every Home Game?
This was a huge selling point for the school when they first signed the NBC contract 20 years ago, yet is the NBC contract still a big motivator for recruits?
Does moving a couple games even matter?
Or does the fact that the Irish play 99% of their games on some form of national television still the most important and overriding factor?
A lot of Irish Fans Will be Forced to Pay Extra to Pick Up NBC Sports Network
This isn't a huge issue for me personally (I already have Versus), but you will hear people complaining about it, and it will likely be the biggest issue in the media.
According to the Salt Lake Tribune article, Versus is currently in 72 million homes across the
What’s in this for Notre Dame Exactly?
This is the crucial question that needs to be answered by Swarbrick and Co.
It’s understandable that it doesn’t sit right with some people that Notre Dame is being used to try and build up this new NBC Sports Network and forcing fans to add the channel in their homes if they do not already have it.
Prior to joining NBC Sports, Lazarus was the President of Media & Marketing for the Atlanta-based company CSE, as well as the President of Turner Entertainment Group helping to build up the networks, TBS, TNT, TCM, TruTV, Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, and more.
It has always been a distinct comfort for an entire generation of fans to know that all Irish home games will be on NBC, but now this news turns that comfort into chaos a little bit. Perhaps it's not the end of the world (#FirstWorldProblems) but now fans will have to double check and make sure NBC Sports is available wherever they plan on watching the game, whereas in the past it was simply a given.
So, will Notre Dame receive extra money from NBC for moving these games? If not, what incentive do the Irish have for making the move and getting paid the same amount of money and being a part of a somewhat risky undertaking?
What are the long-term plans inherent in such a move?
Can NBC Sports Network Really Rival ESPN?
This is another very important question because now Notre Dame’s interests are directly tied to whether this new venture by Comcast succeeds or fails.
I’m very skeptical of this working, at least in the sense of truly being a rival to ESPN. That's not to say that the NBC Sports Network can't be successful to some degree, but they have a large mountain to climb in order to compete with ESPN, ABC, and Disney.
NBC Sports will have very little exposure in the world of the NFL (although Sunday Night Football is a decent foothold), NBA, and Major League Baseball. And despite NBC Sports signing a 3-year deal to broadcast 45 Major League Soccer games, ESPN is already ahead of the game with the English Premier League and World Cup coverage.
Unless there’s massive changes and truly big long-term plans for NBC Sports, I don’t see how Olympic, NHL, and Notre Dame coverage, plus a bevy of outdoor programs and lukewarm MLS coverage will be much competition for ESPN.
NBC has been struggling financially as a company, with their television shows, and perception around the country. They have been hemorrhaging money with the Olympics and once again over-paid for the games in the coming decade, making it almost a certainty that they lose millions more.
Should we expect a downtrodden NBC to suddenly reverse its fortunes and compete with the biggest media giant of our age in ESPN/ABC?
It seems very optimistic that Versus, soon-to-be NBC Sports Network, is ever going to rival ESPN. Is it really a smart idea for Notre Dame to align itself with something that is likely to fail?
The Positives
Comcast Really Likes Us!
As much as it might sting to move some games to cable, this is a clear indication from Comcast that they are serious about their relationship with Notre Dame and they believe Fighting Irish football will be a big selling point for their new efforts with NBC Sports Network.
Some were worried that Comcast wasn’t going to have the same relationship with Notre Dame that the Irish enjoyed for 20 years with the previous NBC Sports management, but it has been made clear that it is every bit as good, if not better.
There was also a lot of chatter that Notre Dame would be moving to a different network once the contract with NBC expires in 2015, the bases for that argument being that the new Comcast ownership probably wasn't as comfortable with Notre Dame as Ebersol & Co. were.
With this news, it appears that Notre Dame is likely sticking with NBC for the long-term.
This Signals a Change---Even if We Don’t Know Exactly What Kind of Change
To put it another way, NBC’s coverage of Notre Dame football has been awful for years. Maybe this news doesn’t change that right away, perhaps we're still a year or two away from having better football coverage of the Irish, but it’s still a sign that Comcast is willing to do something different at least.
If they are truly concerned with being a rival to ESPN and using Irish football as one of the main ingredients to such a business plan, then ditching Tom Hammond and improving the poor college football broadcast presentation currently on NBC might be a good idea.
We can only hope, right?
There’s a Larger Plan at Work Behind All of This
Once again we need to see what Swarbrick and others from Notre Dame and NBC have to say about this.
If this is a step, or perhaps a diversion, in Notre Dame’s ultimate goal of creating their own sports network then great.
Help us out here Jack---what's going on?
If these one or two games are going to bring the Irish a lot more money than they otherwise would have from airing on NBC, then that is a positive.
It could very well turn out that Notre Dame football becomes dominant again, the NBC Sports Channel becomes super popular, and everyone involved is smiling ear to ear as we enter a reborn golden age for both the Irish football program and the Peacock.
What Does it All Mean?
It’s far too early to tell, but it appears this will not be going into effect until at least the 2012 football season.
NBC will be covering next year's summer Olympic games in London and that should serve as the major launching point for the new NBC Sports Network. Less than a month after the Olympics end, Notre Dame's football season will begin under this new arrangement.
We heard recently from Swarbrick that a future Notre Dame channel was not likely to be in the mold of a traditional cable program because of the difficulties of providing such a channel to theFighting Irish fan base spread out all over the country.
So why hitch such a large part of the future to a new cable channel that is trying to slay Goliath?
Is moving a game or two per season really seen as a big gamble from the university’s eyes?
Is there any legitimate concern about alienating fans or being part of an organization that fall to its knees spending billions of dollars and still unable to compete with ESPN?
Even if Notre Dame ends up with its own channel (in whatever form of media it is built), it is more than likely that Irish football games are going to stay on NBC, or some major network. So, in that sense this might not be a big deal to Swarbrick, who could use the extra income from moving a couple games to NBC Sports Network, to invest in building the future ND Network.
Does Swarbrick see this venture to NBC Sports Network as harmless and not an impediment to his larger vision of the future of Notre Dame athletics?
Is this the first step of ultimately putting all Notre Dame home football games on cable after 2015?
And what games do they plan on moving over to NBC Sports?
The best ones?
Mediocre ones?
If NBC Sports is serious about building their channel, you would think they are going to shoot for the top two home games each season. The home games for 2012 include:
Returning the favor from this year and hosting
We just need to know more about what the long-term plans are.
How committed is Notre Dame to making the NBC Sports Network a viable rival to ESPN? Is that something Notre Dame wants to get into?
Will Notre Dame "go with this" plan for four years and then negotiate a different model when the NBC contract expires in 2015?
Will they entertain NBC Sports Network's desires for a few years---giving the university enough time and money to build their own channel---and then simply ask for all of the home games to go back on the Peacock if it’s clear NBC Sports Network isn’t going anywhere any time soon?
Will there be added content in the form of pre and post-game shows, coaches’ show, etc. on NBC Sports Network that will serve as a trial balloon for Notre Dame’s own network?
Can we even expect NBC Sports Channel to make a dent in ESPN’s monopoly in only five years?
Even if Comcast values Notre Dame’s football brand, does moving a couple games really hurt the university’s prestige? Or is this step one to building a bigger and better future?
All we have are a lot of questions and very few answers.
We’ll just have to wait for Savvy Jack to put our minds at ease.
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How many games weren't televised last year?
Im thinking it was 2… Hell I had to watch the USC game on ESPN 3. So if this means I will get to watch all of the games on TV… Then I don’t care.
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Regional coverage
on ABC and ESPN put a few games out of reach nationally. I don’t remember which ones, perhaps the Michigan State game and USC (as you alluded to). Since it looks like you are in the plains, you probably got the Big XII game (Oklahoma?) instead.
SE KANSAS IN THE HOUSE!!! ... I think it was Oklahoma
But yeah, my point still stands… If this means I get to watch them all I don’t care.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Versus
Don’t they have a contract with the Pac 12? The quote said they would take a game or two per season and put it on the NBC sports network. So, does that mean they would take the Sanford/USC home game and put it there instead of selling the rights to ESPN? Also, the neutral site game makes sense for that channel as well.
When does the current TV deal end with NBC? I wonder if it stipulates that all games at ND Stadium have to be on NBC…
Bottom line, based on what I read, it doesn’t mean that ND home games would necessarily be on the new/rebranded network…
Versus has a smaller contract with the Pac-12.
I don’t believe it’s anything major, as the Pac-12 also has a deal with FSN, just signed a deal with Fox starting next year, and obviously is starting their own Pac-12 Network soon.
Versus does have a contract with the Mountain West conference, but that really means nothing on a national scale.
The current NBC deal ends in 2015. I have read that there might be a clause built into the contract that says NBC could move game(s) to cable though. If this news is true, I’m sure there probably is such a clause, which might mean more money for Notre Dame.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Every game was televised nationally last year.
NBC-Purdue, Michigan, Stanford, Pitt, Western Michigan, Tulsa, Utah, and Army.
ABC/ESPN-Michigan State, Boston College, USC
CBS-Navy, Miami
You might have been subject to one of ABC/ESPN’s coverage maps for the USC game and not got the game in your area. Since they are moving home games, this new arrangement won’t affect those type of situations when ND plays on the road unfortunately.
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This doesn't really bother me because it won't affect me in any way
I already get Versus in my satellite plan and I think it’s pretty common for sat/cable provides to run it already. There might be a small number of people who don’t get it that might be upset, but that’s the risk NBC is taking, I guess.
Versus ran the Blue/Gold game and I thought they did a good job. It had the same look and feel of a NBC game, so as long as they keep Mike Mayock, I’m happy.
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But no more Hammond, right?
What satellite do you have?
I know a lot of people where I live who have Dish Network who don’t have Versus right now and it causes problems when the local hockey team is on that channel throughout the NHL season.
I’ve heard adding Versus on one of their sports tiers is fairly pricey.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I have DirecTV
I also have whatever they call their second tier option is. I think it’s also their lowest tier HD plan. It’s not the cheapest thing in the world but I don’t think it’s too bad.
Also, seconded on getting rid of Tom Hammond. I swear he calls 3 yard gains and 80 yard touchdowns the same way.
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Yes, I mean DirectTV, not Dish Network.
I think people view cable a lot differently from home to home. Some find it absolutely revolting to add $15 or $20 a month for extra sports channels and what not. Others with same income think it’s no big deal.
Such is the world we live in.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, my cable bill when up a fair bit when I upgraded
But I think it’s worth it for the HD and extra channels (which I do use). But I can definitely understand how other people wouldn’t be willing to pay for it.
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Versus is a digital basic channel on my carrier (WOW!)
Basically, if you have a digital cable box, you get Versus. It IS possible to get smaller plans, but for all practical purposes, if you have WOW you get Versus.
I believe the same is true for my cable (Time Warner).
But you don’t get the HD channel that way, of course.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate Time Warner cable...
I have been spoiled with my provider.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Insight Communications
is my cable provider and they carry VS, although I didn’t know it until I was looking for the Blue/Gold game.
My first impression is that it was a down grade, but if they start with the less prominent games, like the service acadamies, or WF, etc, as a way to warm people up to the network it would make sense. I can’t image ND would let them air a rivalry game, at least not until the network is well established.
Although every ND fan will consider the program as top tier and relevent, to think that a new network trying to battle ESPN is hitching its future to ND football, goes to show how truely strong the brand (still) is and the value they see in its ability to bring in viewers and thus advertisers.
by Jules a bad mf on Aug 12, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions
Which games they choose is going to be tricky.
On the one hand, if they really want to build up the channel and force ND fans to go out and add the channel because they don’t want to miss any action…they’d probably want to get the best games of that season.
Yet, shouldn’t the best games of the season be on NBC where there will be more viewers?
It’s a tight rope to walk that is for sure.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to say it
but we have to beat Navy about four years in a row minimum for that to stop being a rivalry game…sigh…oh Charlie. In this context, though, that may be an opportunity. ND-Navy is maybe not a bad choice for one of the cable games both in the context of “it’s not that important of a game” (I’m talking perception, not reality) and it being a draw because “is Navy going to beat ND again?” (I can’t imagine how many ND haters are probably going to tune in this year at least for a while, hoping for another undressing. Diaco is going to be living down that game last year for the rest of his career.)
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
As long as Hammond is gone...
I don’t see much downside in using the remainder of our contract to see if they can make strides in building a rival to ESPN. It gives us more information when we negotiate an extension, assuming we choose to do so.
Here is the key: “ditching Tom Hammond and improving the poor college football broadcast presentation currently on NBC might be a good idea.”…and don’t replace with him Brent Musberger.
If the same announcer who handles ice skating is handling your football games, your sports network might have a problem! They can’t expect to be taken seriously in football with him.
It's hard for me to envision Comcast keeping Hammond around much longer.
It’s been known for years that NBC has always been afraid of looking like a cheerleader for ND football games, and they’ve often gone out of their way to be neutral with the broadcast…usually to the annoyance of many Irish fans.
I honestly think that NBC likes Hammond because he’s so clueless about football that he will never appear to favor Notre Dame. In fact, I think deep down this is the exact reason that he was hired in the first place.
It’s interesting that back in 1990 when they negotiated the first TV deal, it was so shocking to the rest of the CFB world, and NBC really did have to seem impartial to Notre Dame.
Now, I’m not so sure they have to be like that. I know they are afraid that if NBC “roots” for ND too hard that it will drive viewers away, but I’d argue that it is just as likely to bring in more viewers.
At any rate, Notre Dame football deserves better than the heaping pile of dung that is Tom Hammond. If Comcast is serious about competing with ESPN, they are best served to overhaul ND’s entire Saturday broadcast with a new energetic (younger) announcer, more focus on college football, and new exciting graphics.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
#RonFranklin4NDgames
I don’t care about his issues with female coworkers. That voice is pure college football. I would kill to have him teamed with Mayock.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 12, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are saying NBC should have gone all out after Gus Johnson?
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not embarrassed to say
that more than once I’ve watched Gus Johnson clips on line, its gonna be sad not hearing him for March Madness.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is he working now?
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That's awful.
He deserves better.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Wikipedia...
He works for Fox, Showtime, Big 11 12 10 and EA… I love him in Madden.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, he's in Madden??
I haven’t played that in a couple years….when did this happen???
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Starting last year I believe... No more than 2 years.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't even express the joy that would bring my soul.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Unwarranted Assumptions
You’ve got an awful lot of rank assumptions in this article.
1. “Some were worried that Comcast wasn’t going to have the same relationship with Notre Dame that the Irish enjoyed for 20 years with the previous NBC Sports management, but it has been made clear that it is every bit as good, if not better.”
You assume that Comcast is moving ND games to cable because it really cares about the ND relationship. This despite the fact that building a bull-riding channel into an ESPN rival is a long-term project and ND’s contract expires in three years. It is equally plausible, however, based on publicly available information, that Comcast is simply taking advantage of ND’s benefits for whatever term it can get. Calling this evidence of a commitment to a serious relationship, or evidence of being highly valued, is like saying the same thing about a high school girl who gets told how much some guy loves her in the back seat of his car. Yeah, in both cases it could be true: but it’s more likely that someone’s getting used.
2. "Is it really a smart idea for Notre Dame to align itself . . . "
You repeatedly assume that Notre Dame chose or agreed to move some of its home games to a penny-ante cable channel. This entirely ignores the very real possibility that Comcast exercised an option in the NBC contract to make that shift without the university’s consent. The university would not have been on notice during negotiations that this was a real possibility: NBC did not own a cable network with sports coverage at the time. Was NBC going to move an Irish game to Bravo? Of course not. So the university could afford to let NBC have the option without giving away much. The only risk would have been that some cable giant would buy NBC. Well, look what happened. Without the text of the agreement, which we will never see, or confirmation from the administration, which will likely be vague at best, there simply is no way to reach the warranted conclusion that the university agreed to this move.
3. “if Notre Dame football is a key feature of a increasingly popular and profitable cable network.”
This assumes that NBC really has a grand scheme to turn Versus into an ESPN competitor. On the other hand, Comcast could be content to let Versus be a cleaned-up bottom feeder, or a holding cell for unproductive or mid-tier broadcasting deals. Just because I build a shopping center doesn’t mean I want a Bloomingdales: I could put in a T.J. Maxx and still make money. Again, the conclusion about NBC’s real goals for the network seem to be based on pretty slim evidence.
NBC has made it absolutely clear that they want NBC Sports to be an ESPN competitor.
Whether they can get there is the question. I personally think they can, but it’s a 10-20 year stretch goal rather than thinking they can get there overnight. There are a LOT of people disenchanted with the WWL right now and if NBC can tap into the the source of that disenchantment and provide coverage of sports people want to watch, I think they can make a big dent early on.
Right now they’re trying to build using sports they can get on the cheap… the NHL and MLS they can get cheap, and viewership for both is growing, and as the NHL and MLS rise, so will NBC’s sports coverage. This is a great strategy, but they also need to fortify it with the football juggernaut – they’ve got a toehold with NFL Sunday Night Football and Notre Dame, but they need to expand sports coverage of both to really take off.
The other thing they need is a legit Sportscenter competitor that differentiates itself…. I’d love to see more Smart Football-ish type coverage, and less JACKED UP but one can only hope.
I think you're absolutely right on all of that
I’m sick of ESPN but there’s no other option out there. If NBC can clean up its sports coverage (Olympics, I’m looking at you) and, like you said, build off of the NHL and MLS, they may have a legit shot at competing with ESPN. If they can get away from the “entertainment” and “sensationalization” (is that a word?) that ESPN has become synomous with the past few years and focus on actual journalism and in-depth coverage, they may have a chance. That assumes NBC is actually run by competent people, which may be a stretch, though.
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Go after the smart viewers
This really is the key if they want to offer something different. Give us real analysis. Hopefully the way college football fans have changed with blogs like this and other that provide real breakdown of games will not go unnoticed. I think there are a lot more people who want this or would switch to it if they could find it.
You mean you don't want the COORS LIGHT COLD HARD FACTS?
Did anyone watch the short-lived show The Onion Sports Dome on Comedy Central? I was very upset when it got cancelled. It was brilliant in its parody of ESPN. I suggest looking it up to see if any clips are out there on the interwebs.
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Had the producers of that show killed.
Any truth to that rumor?
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I can not confirm nor deny this
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see NBC giving us "smart analysis"
They are the originators of the Olympic Heart-Warming Tear-Jerking Comeback Story™, after all. They’ve always missed the boat on actually focusing on the SPORT. Doubt they’d change now and start giving us NFL Network type analysis.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 12, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Cue Skip Holtz stories being drilled into our brains in a few weeks....
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. And Darnell Scott
Can’t wait to hear about his harrowing experience as the #1 recruit in the country, brutally vicitimized at the hands of the evil Mr. Intramurals, only to escape and make his way to the freedom of the U. S. of F, where he teamed up with noted coach Bela Ka-Holtzy and is ready to make his run for gold.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 12, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Odds on the rags to riches story of USF football
going from lowly 1-AA team to Big East “powerhouse?”
Very high.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
MOAR SABURMETRIX!!!
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Sensationalism?
That assumes NBC is actually run by competent people, which may be a stretch, though.
This is the key.
I’m fairly confident in ND’s leadership under Swarbrick, although I’d like to see them push a little harder for their interests in some cases…mostly with the presentation of the games on Saturday’s.
NBC has a lot….and I mean a lot, to prove.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just throwing ideas out there and going off of what has been said in the media.
At any rate, you’re countering my “assumptions” with your own personal assumptions, most of which don’t have much ground to stand on.
1. No, I don’t know if ND Football makes Comacast and the new NBC Sports management team feel all warm and fuzzy inside. We didn’t really know if the previous NBC team did either, except for the fact that they kept signing deals with ND and saying positive things about the university and football team in the media. That both Comcast and ND are trying to make money out of this doesn’t really mean they don’t have a good relationship, or even vice versa. I really don’t see what point you are trying to make here, other than some overly-negative “this is just business” mantra that pertains to anything in television. Unless you can prove to us that Comcast does in fact not have a good relationship with Notre Dame (because there is plenty of evidence that they do), I suggest you don’t make such rank assumptions.
2. Again, you’re making the far worse assumption that:
A.) Notre Dame didn’t agree to this decision
and
B.) Notre Dame wasn’t aware of a possible option in the TV contract
You’re right about one thing, we may never know the real answer, but it seems highly unlikely that ND is against this, or even that they weren’t aware that this could be part of the future as stipulated in any of the handful of contracts they have signed with NBC since 1991. I think you should probably brush up on some NBC history over the past two decades before making such rank assumptions. NBC hasn’t been a stand-alone channel without cable networks for a very long time.
3. You are dead wrong. Comcast has been adamant about turning Versus into a competitor with ESPN. I honestly don’t even see your point…are you saying things and being overly-negative just to argue??
You’re entire comment is filled with wild-based assumptions that the majority of people who have paid attention to this sort of business would dismiss out of hand. You’ve added nothing to this discussion.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hold Up a Second
I’m not countering your assumptions with assumptions, because I never posited that my three points are in fact the case. I merely said that they are plausible possibilities that your initial analysis overlooks. So there’s no need for me to prove the existence of bad motives, etc., because I’m not claiming these actually exist. I certainly don’t know. I’m merely observing that the known facts make possible alternatives you did not address.
Also note, I never said that ND would have signed the NBC deal without being aware of a cable option. Of course ND was aware of the agreement’s contents. But if the agreement contained such a provision, ND may not have viewed that option as a valuable concession to NBC at the time. Nor did I say that NBC did not have affiliated cable channels, just that prior to being purchased by Comcast their affiliated cable channels did not appear to offer much sports coverage.
3. If that’s what Comcast has been going around saying, then OK. Number 3 wasn’t an unwarranted assumption.
Finally, your analysis isn’t bad, it just has some unstated premises. There’s nothing wrong with assuming a few things, but it’s best to make those clear. This makes assumptions unlike unnecessary ad hominem attacks on commenting passersby, which really are poor form.
Well...
I’m not countering your assumptions with assumptions
Yeah, you are.
I merely said that they are plausible possibilities that your initial analysis overlooks.
If they weren’t in the initial analysis, it’s because they didn’t need to be because they are not likely, as pronounced through 20 years of dealings and statements from the media and university.
I didn’t find it necessary (nor was it needed) to wonder if Comcast has a bad relationship with Notre Dame, nor that this is happening with ND’s arms tied behind its back. Those are not plausible possibilities given everything we have heard from both parties over the past 2 or 3 years and longer. They are wild assumptions.
It’s fair to wonder if ND is upset with these happenings, but quite another to suggest Comcast is being a big bad meanie cable company that is force feeding poor Our Lady stuff it doesn’t want.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There are some of us that have ZERO desire to purchase cable
Comcast is one of the biggest culprits for completely overcharging for its services, and were rated worst in the nation for customer service last year. Their response….change their branding to XFinity. Extremely comical. We ditched cable 4 years ago and have never looked back. We are now exclusively Netflix and online content, and we can watch anything we want. The one exception is live sports, and one of the things that has made this possible in my mind is Notre Dame games being on NBC. We pick those up just fine with our HD antenna. So, although it is not very well known it is possible to have HD TV without cable.
So this possible move gets me extremely peeved, and my question would be then are these games available online live as well? Otherwise, fans like me will be SOL because we actually recognize the unnecessary expense of cable.
You might call me a cheapskate, but oh well. We are not buying cable.
ND online?
Can you watch the ND football games online live? I thought they added something like that last year. I also expect that to be something ND does offer eventually, even if they don’t know, especially considering how popular things like Netflix and other internet streaming to TV has become.
I also ask because I will be in Florence, Italy for the opener and am hoping I can still watch it.
I think you can watch home games live on NBCsports.com
I’ve never done it but they advertise it during the games. I don’t know how the quality is, though.
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You can, and the quality is fine. I watched all last season online from Japan.
As good as or better than ESPN3, if you don’t subtract for TOMHAMMOND.
And since there’s a better than 50% chance I’ll be going back overseas next year, I don’t care what TV channel ND is on, as long as the online broadcasts continue.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 12, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I would assum the Versus game(s) will still be available on nbcsports.com
It’s still NBC, right?
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I concur.
There’s no reason the games shouldn’t be online.
There I go with my double negatives again!!
/dealwithit
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Better be, or I'll have to go back to finding illegal means.
As funny at the WVFI student radio broadcasts can be, it’s not as good as watching it.
Now if only we could get the game broadcast online, but with Tony Roberts calling it on the radio…sigh.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 12, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really want to watch Tom Hammond in HD...
I’d rather stare at Norv Turner in HD for 3 hours.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You have a point.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The greatest Comment CW ever had at the old Rakes site
was saying Hammond looked like a Mannequin of himself… I nearly pissed myself.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That man wears
SO. MUCH. MAKEUP.
It’s ridiculous. He doesn’t look like a real person.
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Fun Fact...
Tom Hammond died 7 years ago.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he isn't a real person. HE'S A MONSTER

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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 12, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit KG!
We wanted to be a Hammond picture-free website!
Now it is all ruined.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I.....I didn't post this....
HAMMOND HAS TAKEN OVER THE INTERWEBZ
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 12, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Great....
Now he’s going to start writing articles on here saying Kona Scwhenke was looking good at quarterback in practice.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 12, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, to be fair
Roby Toma is small enough to be a jockey.
/"The Irish are preparing their entry for the Kentucky Derby…
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by Kelly's Gyros on Aug 12, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That Ron Pawlus kid is gonna be something
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you remember the talk last summer
about using Kyle Rudolph as the wildcat QB? I’m disappointed we never got to see that.
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He looks like he should be selling Dolls on QVC
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Arrested Development references will always get a rec from me.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You can now stream ESPN on an XBOX too
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by averagegatsby on Aug 12, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This is my first post on here and kind of off subject
But Notre Dame has Texas on it’s schedule in the coming years. How do you think the two sides will work out the tv contract to air games now the they have the LHN?
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Aug 13, 2011 5:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also I am glad to join this site
I am a Sooner die hard, but come from a football crazy, catholic family that always pulled for Notre Dame. So I’ve been a lifelong Irish fan as well. I had the privilege of scoring tickets to the Tulsa game last season and was pumped about getting to set foot on your hallowed grounds. I myself am from Tulsa. I proudly wore my Notre Dame hoodie with of course an OU hat to the game. After my long and tiresome search for beer being sold, which I finally found in the hockey arena if I remember right, I made my way into the stadium to witness Tulsa pull a fast one on the Irish. I wasn’t too happy about that part but after a nice dinner at Legends after the game, the overall experience is something I will never forget. I can only hope to make a return visit when the Sooners come to South Bend in a few years. Hope I didn’t ramble too much. Boomer Sooner and Go Irish!
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Aug 13, 2011 5:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's an interesting question
but I think it comes down to who the home team is. NBC has rights to all ND home games but not away games. So when it’s in South Bend, I imagine only NBC will carry the game, and when it’s in Texas, the LHN will carry it.
And welcome aboard! I too was at the Tulsa game so I feel your pain, but I’m glad you still had a good experience!
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I just think that with the details of the LHN and the possibility of Texas going indie by the time you play, there is gonna be a war over who will get to air the games. I don’t claim to know much about anything, but I think that will be an interesting negotiation.
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Aug 13, 2011 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We look forward to going to Norman in 2012.
That game will test your allegiances!
Once upon a time, Notre Dame snapped OU’s NCAA record winning streak in the 1950’s. Next year OU could be defending national champions and still have their current home winning streak (best in the country) still going.
I tell my buddy I work with who is an OU fan that we’re going to snap that streak!!
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I know all about the end of the 47 game streak
OU has actually never beaten the Irish. As much as I love Notre Dame, my allegiance will always lie with OU first and foremost. I can’t wait to welcome my Irish buddies down to Norman for that game. It should be epic.
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Aug 13, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do we know what games the LHN will air this year?
If I remember correctly they picked up the lower tier games on Texas’ schedule.
Like burger said, when it’s a home game for the Irish it will be on NBC, or given this new news, it could be on NBC Sports Network.
When it’s a home game for Texas, it could be on the LHN, but I was under the impression that the “big” Texas games would still be on ESPN/ABC. We’ll see what the future holds.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 13, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Another point I think I missed is when the game is in Texas and on the LHN, Notre Dame fans would have to subscribe to the LHN just to get to watch that game. As an Irish fan I would be pissed if that were to happen. There is no way I would miss that game but there is also no way I am handing my hard earned money over to the whorns to watch it.
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Aug 13, 2011 2:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think that is true
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by averagegatsby on Aug 13, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees have their own TV channel
And yet they still have games shown on ESPN occasionally
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by averagegatsby on Aug 13, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Won't LHN only be available in the greater Texas area?
That should mean when ND plays Texas in Austin, the game will be on LHN for the people living in Texas and in the nearby areas.
Anyone else around the country will probably watch it on ESPN or ABC, with that channel being blacked out in Texas in favor of LHN.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Aug 13, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
If you read the LHN contract it says that Texas is forbidden to ever play on anyone else’s network. Texas is also pushing to have the network available nationwide via subscription. Its really a bad situation and as whiny as the A&M camp is, I understand their reasoning to get away from Texas. Also just ask nebraska….ok I admit I’ve had a few cocktails and I am probably rambling.
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Aug 13, 2011 11:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
also
the LHN RIGHT now…is for 3rd tier rights only. ABC/ESPN gets first pick (tier 1) than ESPN/Fox/Fx/ESPN2/ESPNU get the next pick (tier 2 or cable rights).
IF at that point one of the outlets haven’t put it on then it can go to the LHN.
THOUGH…ESPN is trying to say as they hold the first tier rights as well the can blackmail teams to agreeing to be on the LHN as a first pick. (ask Tech).
The point of that is UT/ESPN will be on ABC or ESPN as a first tier pick and not on the LHN…reruns however…will be on the LHN.
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by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Aug 13, 2011 11:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
present company excluded...
I find the bulk of Sooner fans to be unbearable. I actually turned down a job in Norman, not because it is the heart of Sooner nation… But because I wanted no part of the job.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 14, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
At this rate, Texas might be an Independent by then.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 13, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So theyre gonna charge for a channel to watch 2 BS GAMES dont see a way it dont hurt ND , this should give ND the needed push to start their own network not someone elses , ND and nbc are starting to remind me of the yanks and msg both sides see its coming to a end
Like Eric mentioned in the article
I don’t think you’ll see a traditional “Notre Dame Channel” like the LHN or BYU’s network. I don’t know what it will look like, but it will happen eventually. Like you said, this just may push it to happen sooner rather than later.
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Things are getting interesting down here with the conference expansion talk
There is talk of a possible move to either the B1G or the PAC for my Sooners now. I would only hope that the Irish would join up in this new shift in the landscape. If Texas goes indie I personally think it will be a very bad move.
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Aug 13, 2011 2:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My favorite rumor
is that Texas and ND are going to form their own conference with BYU.
On a serious note, I think with the money Texas rakes in already and with their own network, I think they would do just fine. But with A&M gone, do you see the Big XII sticking together or will it implode?
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WHEN A&M leaves it will destroy the conference
Of course this is just my opinion, but the so called replacement team is Houston. I think that will be totally unacceptable and OU won’t stand for it. There is also talk of trying to lure Notre Dame to the Big12-2, 3? As much as I would love Notre Dame to come to our rescue, it will not happen. Looks like we would have to drag little brother OSU to the PAC.
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Aug 13, 2011 6:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If TCU didn't join the Big East there could have been something there...
But the only way the Big XII is salvaged (in my eyes) is if they combine with the Mountain West conference in some capacity…
There is also rumors that the Big XII could steal Arkansas away from the SEC… But I don’t see any conceivable way that happens.
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by averagegatsby on Aug 13, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
more mediocre teams
won’t make a conference with a few or with bulk
The Big 12 with the LHN is a walking corpse
I didn't say it would be ideal...
But it might be the only thing they can do.
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