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Kansas Hires Charlie Weis as Head Football Coach

Charlie Weis is back, baby! After spending one season each as offensive coordinator for the Chiefs and Gators, the former Irish head coach has accepted a position as head coach of the Kansas Jayhawks, who fired Turner Gill after two very disappointing seasons in Lawrence. Here are some facts, opinions and photos.

  • One rumor has Charlie Weis making over three million dollars. What?! How?!
  • If you read one thing, please make it Spencer Hall's all-caps celebratory rant. Spencer is a Florida Gators fan who was subjected to Weis' offense in its Notre Dame 2007 form this year. He is pleased to see Weis gone.
  • Mangino Joke.
  • Kansas is a pretty thankless job, being a basketball school with no natural recruiting base and limited football tradition, but I don't see this working well. I get Weis still has a pretty good reputation outside of South Bend and Gainesville, but he needs to learn a lot from his past if he wants to succeed in this new position. Considering what we know about Weis, his hubris doesn't allow him to really make those changes. If Weis gets a stud defensive coordinator and can get some pieces for his offense, maybe he'll find success, but I just don't know.
  • I'm not a recruiting expert, but top wide receiver Nelson Agholor, who visited Notre Dame for Air Force and is considered a potential Irish signee, is likely rescheduling a visit to Florida. I have no idea if this helps or hurts the Irish in the long run.
  • I'm legitimately concerned about Weis' health. I was watching Florida/Florida State with my family Thanksgiving Saturday and they all remarked how terrible he looked. He really would be better served just taking some time off, as opposed to plunging into a more stressful and intense position.
  • This image is from the official Kansas website. Enjoy:

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There's just something....

Sad and desperate about Charlie Weis that I can’t shake.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

There's just something....

Sad and desperate about Kansas football that I can’t shake.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly called this the night Leech took the WSU job...

Granted it was an off the cuff joke, and I never thought it would happen. But the talk is the new Kansas AD really wanted a name… Well thats about all he got.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2011 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

Sidenote...

I finally got to go to Allen Fieldhouse (my KU basketball fandom goes back nearly as far as my ND football fandom). AND HOLY SHIT!!! Even against a nobody out of conference game, that arena was magical. I can only hope that when I finally make my pilgrimage to South Bend I have a similar experience… I can honestly say hands down it was the most fantastic in person game experience I’ve had (non-playing division), the Rock Chalk chant is unreal.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of?

There is a giant 4 sided video board sponsored by Russel Stover Candies.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Allen Fieldhouse is the best.

Having grown up a ND fan and being a KU alumnus, I’ve been fortunate enough to witness several football games at ND and lots of basketball games at KU. There are a lot of similarities in their own sport, and both are absolutely spellbinding… the history overwhelms you. You’re right about the Rock Chalk chant as well, people don’t understand it hearing it out of context, but hearing it at a game is absolutely haunting. ND football and KU basketball are hands down the two most amazing sporting experiences I’ve had.

by Cu Chulainn on Dec 10, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been to Arrowhead several times...

and aside from the Tailgating outside, I’ve been a little underwhelmed by the in game experience.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 10, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That's because it's filled with NFLAIDS.

I was there a few years back for the FSU-Iowa State game, where Seneca Wallace went nuts. It was a good time, and we had caught a baseball game earlier in the day. I don’t think I’d enjoy a Chiefs game as much.

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by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 11, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Im pretty biased...

but I freaking Love Kauffman, much more enjoyable than Fenway or Old Yankee stadium was… They’ve renovated it since.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 12, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That game was a close one, dang-nabbit

Wallace is stopped a half yard from the winning touchdown in the first game after Iowa State was screwed against Alabama on the FG in the humanitarian bowl.

by Steve in Iowa on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone else brought this up...

But does Crist go to Kansas?

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by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 PM EST reply actions  

Lot of cons

to go with some pros. Awfully tight timing—Crist is making his decision, what, this week? No idea who Charlie’s coaching staff is going to be. Ummm…still Kansas.

"You've got to have poise. You've got to walk away. You're a long snapper!"
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by lordsummer on Dec 9, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Recruiting impact for Fla

Fullback/linebacker prospect Schyler Miles (6-2/215, Tampa, Fla./Berkeley Prep): “Wow that’s shocking, he was just here at my house on Monday night. It doesn’t really affect me at all.”

Another Berkeley Prep star, No 1 ranked Athlete Nelson Agholor tweets: “Really don’t know what to say now.” and is rescheduling his visit to Florida this weekend. Will he make it to SB for the banquet?

Latroy Pittman, who has made an OV to ND, but is committed to Florida, said this on Nov 28th: "[Aubrey] Hill and [Charlie] Weis came by yesterday. It went really good. It was my first time really interacting with Weis other than saying ‘hi’ or ‘bye’ in the hallway. He is a down-to-earth guy. He knows what he’s talking about and what he wants out of his players." Hill is the WR coach and someone whom Urban Meyer wants to hire on his Ohio State staff. Does he have questions about committing without knowing who the OC and WR coach are and what kind of offense he will be in?

by Michael Collins on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

Man this is all really bad for Muschamp.

He’s got to be livid pissed about this whole thing. He kind of took a chance on Weis and at the time I actually thought it was a smart move on his part. Charlie learned a lot of lessons the hard way at ND and I am sure that having a guy like that around would be pretty handy for a first time HC at a major program. But at the same time Charlie kind of owed him a bit in return, especially for agreeing to let Charlie Jr. intern etc.

I guess Charlie Jr. will be a student coach at Kansas now. This whole thing is a little bizarre. I see Kansas as one of those places where you might go 9-3 once in a decade and call it a magical season. Perhaps Charlie actually believes he can really win there. It will be interesting to watch for certain.

by whiskey OFD on Dec 9, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Weis is trying to win a bet

“Hey, I bet you can’t get three separate fan bases to hate you in a three year span”

Even the Pope hates the Trojans

by Publius2010 on Dec 9, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I never thought it was a smart move

for Muschamp to offer, or Weis to accept. The only reason I could think of was that Weis hated Kansas City. I suppose it was the people there, ’cause clearly Kansas ipso facto does not bother him.

"You've got to have poise. You've got to walk away. You're a long snapper!"
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by lordsummer on Dec 9, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually think he will be better off...

in a place like Kansas. I know that puts me in the minority, but look at the facts:

1. There aren’t a lot of expectations at Kansas (especially in comparison to ND and Florida)
2. He has the previous experience of being a head coach now
3. Nobody plays defense in the Big XII
4. He has time to assemble a staff (unlike when he came to ND and was preparing for a playoff run/Super Bowl, trying to recruit and put a staff together of college coaches he didn’t know)

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a couple of familiar names on his staff in Kansas (Verducci, Ianello) and I think he takes more time/effort in choosing a DC. I personally wish him luck in this new job.

by Jim Miesle on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

pretty much my opinion

i echo these same sentiments, I said after he was fired, do not be surprised if he gets another chance at a lesser program to become a head coach. 6,7, or 8 wins with the occasional overachieving year and inevitable clunker; add an exciting offense in lawrence and he will have many fans.

Good luck Charlie.

by mac.ross2 on Dec 9, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm pretty much here.

It’s funny to make a few jokes, but I still don’t have anything personal against him, unlike Willingham. He took us to two BCS seasons, even if it was smoke and mirrors. I hope he does well. No reason to root for him to fail.

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by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I hope fine young things of a defensive coordinator and a conditioning coach drop in his lap and he treats himself to video of 2005 and 2006 on an endless tape loop between now and March.

Obviously I’m not sanguine that he’ll actually succeed, but I hope the best.

Which is more likely: he’ll have an 8 win regular season at Kansas sometime in the next five years, or he loses 100 lbs?

"You've got to have poise. You've got to walk away. You're a long snapper!"
B. Kelly

by lordsummer on Dec 9, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

My feelings, too.

Urban knew what he was leaving and really did not have to suffer through rebuilding Florida. The high expectations there will lead to trouble for anyone who can’t live up to them.

Charlie knows offense and has engineered four different kinds of offenses. NE and ND were most similar. As was KC and Florida. Whether he runs a primarliy passing or rushing attack, they will possess the ball. In the Big 12, that offense will work, e.g. Kansas State.

He knows he needs a very good defensive coach to succeed, but has the luxury of only one challenging non-conference game. Having coached now in the SEC with his NFL and ND experience, I’ll bet he has his eye on who he wants.

I agree with Jim on Verducci and Ianello. He just better not poach Alford and Warriner. Randy Shannon is available. Tim Grunhard could commute from KC. Brian Smith came from KC.
Bryant Young?

We know his recruiting abilities. Tim Grunhard said in this Rivals article. Weis was the first choice:

“He’s a likeable guy and he can walk right into your house and you will like him. He’s a brilliant offensive mind. He’s the kind of guy that certainly knows how to win. And he knows how to recruit. He can go into a kid’s house and show off those big (Super Bowl) rings on his finger.”

I wish him well, too. I’ll always appreciate his loyalty to family, Notre Dame and his players.

by Michael Collins on Dec 9, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Warriner

Don’t forget that Warriner came to ND from KU after KU fired Mark Mangino and Turner Gill didn’t retain him. He was the best OC I’ve ever seen during his time at KU. I doubt Weis tries to poach him however; they never coached together and Warriner excels at the spread, not Weis’ pro style.

by Cu Chulainn on Dec 10, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I mentioned Warriner as a possibility

What about Tony Samuel? (Bio linked) Now HC at SE Mo St, formerly HC at NM St, and player at Nebraska.

by Michael Collins on Dec 10, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It will be interesting

It will be interesting to see who Weis hires as OC, and how much power he gives that hire. I don’t know how I didn’t notice that UMass just hired ND OC Molnar… ND should promote Warriner to OC immediately. He would be an upgrade, a no-brainer hire.

by Cu Chulainn on Dec 10, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Crist to KU would make sense

He knows Charlie’s QB coaching and goals for the offense and Charlie would have a veteran QB to run his offense.

Charlie is reportedly going to have hip replacement surgery when the season ends. Charlie, Jr. is transferring to KU and will work in the athletic department, probably. Maura and Hanna will stay in Florida where the Weises have a horse farm, but the contract also stipulates a private jet for KU home games for them.

by Michael Collins on Dec 10, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Couple questions.....

1.) Does Charlie, Jr. get ripped on by fellow students? He has to be an easy target right?

2.) When will the cord be cut? I’d assume that if Weis is still coaching when Junior finishes college that he’s going to be on his dad’s staff. Is he going to be a coach anywhere else?

3.) Is lightning going to strike twice? It’s hard enough to have the life and career that Weis did without ever playing football. I can’t imagine being that guy’s son and then following him around for years and transferring schools and such, while going to college to “be a head coach.”

Just seems ridiculous to me.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 10, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll rec that

But still, at least Lane played in high school and college for a little bit. He wasn’t exactly sniffing his dad’s butt in middle school with a head set on in the NFL.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 10, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Reunited with CW

Looks like Ianello and Powlus are both going to join CW in Lawrence. There is also the chance of Bryant Young re-joining the staff. Others have mentioned Mike Haywood, but I don’t know if that will happen. To me, his success hinges on two things: (1) offensive line coach, and (2) defensive coordinator.

by Jim Miesle on Dec 11, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

Romeo Crenel

is a commute away in KC. Should Todd Haley be fired….

by Michael Collins on Dec 12, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Shoudl spell right

Romeo Crennel. Wouldn’t that attract a few defensive players to KU?

by Michael Collins on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Haley was fired today...

let the plot thicken.

Recall that Crennel was rumored to rejoin Weis in SB after being axed by the Browns of Cleveland. Ultimately, Crennel passed on any potential offer. One wonders what might have happened if he were brought in…there would have been no Tenuta as DC in 2009.

by Jim Miesle on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Crennel has already been anounced as interim coach...

And word on the street is he doesn’t want to be head coach again, I don’t know if this means he stays or goes to KU… But Is Crennel more friends with Weis or Pioli?

I would imagine if Crennel leaves or stays in KC will be based entirely on who they bring in as head coach… Lot of Marty talk around here.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 12, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't Schottenheimer already the coach there?

I feel like he’s coached every NFL team at some point.

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by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 13, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny thing is

that if Charlie had not taken the KU job, that his name would be up there. Right now -
Possible Chiefs coaching candidates

by Michael Collins on Dec 12, 2011 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

As a Chief fan I would have boycotted them

I hate that the Chiefs faithful only think Pioli will hire guys who worked for the Patriots.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 12, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

After Crist, now

Jake Heaps is set to visit KU. Charlie is not waiting around.

by Michael Collins on Dec 18, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

Brice Butler, USC WR

visited KU last weekend. Also, could Charlie take some of ND’s senior class like Crist who are not being offered a fifth year?

by Michael Collins on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

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