Will Robert Griffin III Really Win The Heisman?
Last week our own Jim Miesle wrote a great post detailing the ins and outs of the Heisman Trophy Race. At the time it looked like the race really consisted of two horses. Stanford's Andrew Luck and Alabama's Trent Richardson.
To liberally paraphrase most of the comments underneath that post we generally lamented what the award has become. My personal beef is that the award has essentially turned into an MVP award for Quarterbacks and Running Backs on teams in contention for the BCS title.
Then a few days later we came out of Championship Saturday and something that I was not expecting actually happened. Suddenly the buzz was no longer all about Luck vs. Richardson. The talking heads were yammering on about Baylor's Robert Griffin III, Wisconsin's Montee Ball and LSU's Tyrann Mathieu a.k.a. "The Honey Badger." As a side note that is a fantastic nickname. The Honey Badger takes what it wants!
I initially dismissed all of that as lip service because those are players that I honestly felt like should be in the conversation. Were those jokers on the WWL actually saying things that I agreed with? Naaaahhhhhh. I chalked it up to more scripted BS along the lines of the anti-Holtz character that Mark May plays.
Then on Monday the announcement came that five finalists were being invited to New York for the presentation this Saturday Night. In addition to the two previously mentioned front runners RG3, Ball and Mathieu would all be making the trip to New York. I was suddenly interested again. Could this Griffin thing really happen? Dude plays for Baylor!
The stats have changed very little since Jim's last look at these guys so I will forego looking at the numbers. If you are interested in those Heisman Pundit has a great summary of them here.
It isn't about numbers at this point. It is about perception. So as we head into Saturday what perceptions did the voters have and how is this thing really going to shake out? Here's my take.
Andrew Luck- I see Luck much like Peyton Manning in his days at Tennessee. He's the real deal and will likely go on to a long career in the NFL, perhaps even taking over for Manning in Indianapolis. But he lacks "flair." His team is great but not fantastic. His game is methodical and extremely effective but not real exciting. He is smart and low key. He is "blue collar" and that is working against him.
Luck was absolutely the key ingredient in an 11-1 Stanford campaign but he came into the season with some very lofty expectations. In the end his numbers are very good but not spectacular. Frankly his numbers aren't much better than those of Brady Quinn in 2005 and 2006. In addition he really hasn't had any of those "Heisman moments" this season. The Cardinal got thumped by Oregon and in his final game against ND, Luck looked less than spectacular. I think all of those things will ultimately leave him as the runner up for the second consecutive year. He will get over it when he is the first pick in the NFL Draft this spring.
Robert Griffin III- RG3 on the other hand has had plenty of Heisman moments. He also has considerably better numbers than Luck across the board. I used to think of RG3 as a runner but his numbers as a passer topped those of Luck. In addition he guided a team that most think of as a bottom feeder into what was nearly a BCS Bowl berth. RG3 is the epitome of a "feel good" story and frankly he has really turned into one here in the last few weeks of the season. In a land where the crowd tends to follow the buzz he had the most buzz of anybody coming out of last weekend and I think a lot of voters likely jumped on board. I now think that he is really going to end up winning this thing.
Trent Richardson- Richardson was the best back on his team when Mark Ingram won the Heisman two years ago and he hasn't slowed down since. Richardson is an elite back destined for the next level and his Crimson Tide will be playing for a national title in a few weeks. Despite this I think Richardson really got hurt by two things in the end. One, his team wasn't playing on Championship Saturday and two Tyrann Mathieu made a late surge with further heroics in the SEC Championship game. I think Mathieu most likely cost Richardson votes and as a result I think that they will both be on the outside looking in.
Montee Ball- It didn't seem like anybody was seriously talking about Ball until this past weekend either. His numbers are plain ludicrous but he really did live in the shadow of Russell Wilson for the vast majority of the season. I also think people credit his OL and what is perceived to be the Wiscy "system" for much of his success. Fair or unfair, that is working against him. Ball may have captured a large number of votes in the Midwest but I don't see him as a true contender to take home the hardware.
Tyrann Mathieu- I love seeing the Honey Badger here for one reason. It is encouraging to me that a defensive player is being recognized. I felt the same way when Ndamukong Suh was a finalist two years ago. Mathieu is a true difference maker on both defense and special teams for the Bayou Bengals. The kid just makes big plays week in and week out. If they weren't already calling him Honey Badger I would suggest that they call him "Sudden Change." He causes it on a regular basis. I am glad he got the invite but I definitely don't see him winning.
How do you think this is going to shake out?
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I would like to see RG3 win it, and like you also glad to see some love given to a defensive player
like Mathieu. I just think a lot of voters look at it as more of a team trophy than an individual trophy. To me RG3 is the best individual college player this year but his team wasnt in the running for the NC and voters look at Luck or Richardson and see a lofty team record and use that as one of their main prioritys when they vote.
I think the Heisman voting is a competition
They now all want to have the winner #1 on their ballot, and that leads to the lemming-cliff pack mentality picks such as Gino Toretta. They are all like bad momentum investors.
Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.
I'm honestly shocked RG3 is projected to win it
I think he’s absolutely deserving, I just didn’t think the voters would put him there. But a couple different sources are projecting him winning it. Good for him!
And how about these 5 guys? I really think all of them have the potential to be NFL stars and first round picks when they come out (Ball is the one who may not but he’s been dominant this year). It’s not often you can say that in the Heisman race.
I think this year's winner will be the closest ever...
Its crazy what one great game can do for you in the spotlight. Its good to see someone other than a QB or a RB get some recognition, but the voting is still very suspect in my minds.
The way I see it, there are three ways to look at the trophy:
1. Most Valuable Player
2. Most Outstanding Player
3. Best Player on the Best Team
Too often as of late, the vote has been for #3, when I think the intention is more of a combination of #1 and #2. Based on the criteria above, you get a different winner any way you look at it.
Nice work here whiskey—I really can’t say I have any clue who will win it, but the odds have certainly shifted.
Griffin
has been the best player in the nation. Give him the award!
by Chris Schumerth on Dec 8, 2011 12:52 PM EST reply actions
If you've seen him play...
How could you not vote for RG3? Watching him against Oklahoma was as much fun as I’ve had watching a football game since Boise State/OU in the Fiesta Bowl.
Like Jim says above, it’s all subjective and it all depends on what you think the award should stand for. In my world, RG3 wins it.
Also, Weis to Kansas. Wow, really!? Good luck, I guess.
by Burn That Bridge on Dec 9, 2011 2:47 AM EST reply actions
Molnar took the UMass job....Eric Hansen in his on-line chat
said also expect to see Hinton, Martin and Alford get coaching offers.
I heard rumors Hinton might go to OSU
I’m not shocked Martin is getting offers. I figured he’d get another head coaching gig sooner ot later. Hopefully he’ll stay on for at least one more year.
As for Alford, we discussed this in another thread, but I think it would be a mistake for him to take a HC job somewhere. He’s never been a coordinator, much less a head coach. Plus I really want him to stay at ND.
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You think Martin would leave for a MAC job?
I don’t know if his name is getting thrown around for much above that…I think if he waits another year or two, he could get a much better job.
Agreed on Alford, but mostly b/c I would like him to stay.
Hinton to OSU is the most likely.
I think the staff can absorb losing Molnar and one other, but I would hate to lose three or four in the same year…that is a big portion of the staff.
I'm not sure about Martin
I think he’ll be a head coach again someday, but I’m not sure when or where. He’s a good recruiter and was very successful at the Div. II level, so it’s no surprise that teams would look at him.
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Totally agree on Martin being a HC somewhere...
I just think he can land a better job with another year or two of experience. I think right now he would a MAC/C-USA type job, and with a year or two could move to a Big East/lower level BCS type job.
I agree
I don’t really think he would leave this year (just blind speculation there) but I’m not surprised teams are looking at him.
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