Champs Sports Bowl Preview: Irish Seek 3rd Straight Bowl Win
Florida State (-3) at Notre Dame
For the first time in 8 years, Notre Dame will take the gridiron in a battle against Florida State.
The last meeting of these teams featured the 5th ranked Seminoles putting a 37-0 beating on the Irish in South Bend a year after Notre Dame went into Tallahassee and picked up an upset victory.
Ah, the Tyrone Willingham days.
Now it's Brian Kelly versus Jimbo Fisher with both coaches finishing their second season at their respective school.
This will be the third team from Florida the Irish have faced within the past year, and the first game in the Sunshine State since the Gator Bowl following the 2002 season. It will also be only the 5th game in the South for Notre Dame over the past 8 seasons.
Full breakdown of the 2011 Champs Sports Bowl coming after the jump.
How Did Florida State Do This Year?
The Seminoles opened up their season with two softies, outscoring Louisiana-Monroe and Charleston Southern 96-10. In their third straight home game FSU played then No. 1 Oklahoma pretty close, eventually losing by 10.
This was followed by back-to-back losses in league play to Clemson and Wake Forest (both 35-30 defeats), before Florida State ripped off five straight wins over Duke, Maryland, NC State, Boston College, and Miami.
To end the regular season, FSU lost at home to Virginia, but defeated in-state rival Florida 21-7.
The Seminoles come into the Champs Sports Bowl with a 8-4 record.
Notre Dame Defense vs. Florida State Offense
FSU has a handful of injuries on their offensive line, including one starter who is out for the season and another who is questionable for the bowl game.
Without those two the Seminoles are fairly young and inexperienced, with a line consisting of senior left tackle Zebrie Sanders (1st Team All-ACC), JUCO junior Jacob Fahrenkrug, sophomore center Bryan Stork, sophomore right guard Garrett Faircloth, and freshman right tackle Bobby Hart.
FSU's offensive line has generally been very bad this year ranked 80th in tackles for loss allowed, 106th in sacks allowed, and 100th in rushing average.
At tight end Florida State likes to start senior Beau Reliford primarily as a blocker, but also use the talented freshman Nick O'Leary as a pass catcher (12 receptions, 164 yards, 1 TD).
The Seminoles aren't shy about using a lot of receivers but they will be shorthanded with junior Willie Haulstead questionable after not playing all season with a concussion, and senior Bert Reed out with a pulled hamstring.
Both players led FSU in receiving in 2010.
Without them Florida State deploys junior Rodney Smith (32 receptions, 527 yards, 4 TD), freshman Rashad Greene (33 receptions, 497 yards, 6 TD), redshirt freshman Christian Green (25 receptions, 447 yards), sophomore Kenny Shaw (30 receptions, 354 yards, 4 TD), and sophomore Greg Dent (12 receptions, 236 yards, 2 TD).
This is a pretty talented and explosive unit, even if they are pretty young. Combined they are averaging a very potent 15.6 yards per reception---for comparisons sake Michael Floyd is averaging 11.6 yards per catch.
When healthy, Manuel is an athletic QB who can do a lot of damage.
The Seminoles are without 2010 leading rusher Chris Thompson after he suffered a season ending back injury against Wake Forest. Now FSU will bring freshman Devonta Freeman (531 yards, 5.0 YPC, 8 TD), senior Jermaine Thomas (279 yards, 4.6 YPC, 1 TD)*, and freshman James Wilder, Jr. (150 yards, 4.8 YPC, 1 TD) to the Champs Sports Bowl.
*Thomas was ruled academically ineligible for the bowl game, so FSU will start two freshmen running backs.
There's been some quarterback controversy and injuries this season, but redshirt junior E.J. Manuel should be healthy enough to get the nod this week.
Manuel (who was in preseason Heisman discussions despite throwing 6 touchdowns through two years in Tallahassee) was inconsistent this year but comes into this game with a solid stat line of 2,417 yards, with 65.4% accuracy, and 16 touchdowns to just 8 interceptions.
It's also worthy to note that the Seminoles have 1st Team All-ACC special team stars in kicker Dustin Hopkins and punter Shawn Powell---the latter just named a consensus All-American.
| OFFENSE RANKINGS | FSU | ND |
| Scoring | 35 | 43 |
| Rush | 99 | 51 |
| Pass | 34 | 33 |
| Total | 73 | 34 |
| FEI | 52 | 22 |
| S&P | 50 | 18 |
| F/+ | 34 | 22 |
Notre Dame should dominate the line of scrimmage against Florida State's offensive line, and make it very difficult for the Seminoles to rush for 100 yards. FSU averaged 76.5 yards per game against their toughest S&P rushing defenses, and Notre Dame will be the toughest rush defense (3rd nationally) they've faced yet.
Therefore, it will become crucial for QB E.J. Manuel to be efficient with the ball through the air, limit turnovers, and hit a few long plays down field. He'll also have to avoid big losses on sacks while making plays and extended drives with his feet when necessary.
As long as the Irish keep the Seminole ground game under control, it should be very hard for Florida State to grind out long scoring drives. This matchup will likely come down to Manuel making plays through the air or ground, and if Notre Dame can generate any key turnovers---something the Irish have struggled mightily to do this year (112th nationally).
Notre Dame Offense vs. FSU Defense
Florida State has two linemen questionable and has been without junior NG Jacobbi McDaniel since week 7 with a dislocated ankle.
In their 4-3 defense the Seminoles start sophomore Bjoern Werner and junior Brandon Jenkins (2nd Team All-ACC). This duo might be the toughest Notre Dame has faced all season, as they have combined for 75 tackles, 21 tackles for loss, 13 sacks, and 10 quarterback hurries.
On the inside FSU has redshirt junior Everett Dawkins and junior Anthony McCloud. Junior Cornelius Carradine and freshman Timmy Jernigan also see a lot of playing time along the defensive line.
At linebacker starts sophomore Christian Jones, and senior Nigel Bradham (team-leading 77 tackles), while redshirt junior Vince Williams patrols the middle. Sophomore Telvin Smith is also used heavily at linebacker.
The two corners are sophomore Xavier Rhodes and junior Greg Reid, while the safeties are sophomore Lamarcus Joyner (2nd Team All-ACC) and senior Terrance Parks. Nickel corner, senior Mike Harris also sees a lot of action as well.
| DEFENSE RANKINGS | FSU | ND |
| Scoring | 4 | 28 |
| Rush | 2 | 58 |
| Pass | 18 | 34 |
| Total | 6 | 34 |
| FEI | 13 | 18 |
| S&P | 6 | 12 |
| F/+ | 8 | 17 |
Florida State is very aggressive on defense, finishing the regular season 9th nationally with 37 sacks.
However, half of Notre Dame's schedule this year featured teams in the top 30 in sacks nationally---Michigan State 4th (41 sacks), Pitt 5th (39), Stanford 6th (38), USF 6th (38), USC 23rd (30), and Michigan 30th (28)---so the Irish have a lot of experience and success against potent attacks being ranked 17th nationally in both sacks and tackles for loss surrendered.
From Germany with no love: Werner has emerged as a star this season.
The Seminoles also have a very impressive 91.5 tackles for loss on the season---good for 10th nationally---so they are in their opponent's backfield a whole lot.
Using traditional statistics with a heavy dose of the eye-ball test, this might be the toughest defense Notre Dame has faced all season. As you can see, Florida State has a healthy advantage in scoring, rush, pass, and total defense.
However, the less traditional statistics tell a slightly different story. If you average out the FEI, S&P, and F/+ rankings on defense, Florida State comes out at 9th, while the Irish come in at 15.6.
This is mostly because Florida State really didn't play many good offenses during the regular season.
FSU played an astonishing 9 teams outside the top 40 in offense (according to the S&P rankings), while Notre Dame played just 6. The Seminoles also played 8 teams outside the top 60 in offense (to Notre Dame's 5) and faced just 2 teams that finished in the top 25 in rushing, while Notre Dame faced 6 such teams.
Against common opponents, Florida State went 2-1 and Notre Dame 3-0, with the defensive statistics being very similar for both squads.
| DEFENSE AGAINST COMMON OPPONENTS | FSU | ND |
| Rush | 93.6 | 111.6 |
| Pass | 216 | 192 |
| Total Yards | 309.6 | 303.6 |
| Yards Per Play | 4.4 | 4.7 |
| Points Against | 19.3 | 17.3 |
| Points For | 36.3 | 28.3 |
Obviously, this is a very talented FSU defense. They held Oklahoma (15th best S&P offense) to a season-low 310 yards, while Notre Dame's defense gave up an average of 441 yards against the 10th, 11th, and 12th best offenses in the country in Michigan, Stanford, and USC.
With Jonas Gray's production gone, Braxston Cave missing at center, and very little positive momentum from the quarterback position, Florida State will likely gain back some of its advantages on defense that are shown by the more traditional numbers.
Yet, Notre Dame has a much better offensive line and more proven offensive playmakers in Floyd, Wood, and Eifert. This could be the difference in the game if the Irish can handle FSU's speed and get solid play out of the Rees/Hendrix quarterback combo.
Predcition
This should be a very close game where points are at a premium and it wouldn't shock me to see both teams combine for less than 40 points.
I like Notre Dame's advantages on the lines (particularly the offensive line), it's explosiveness on offense with Wood, Floyd, and Eifert, and for the spread offense to give FSU some problems.
The biggest question mark for the Irish is at quarterback where Tommy Rees limped to the end of the season and Hendrix is still terribly inexperienced. With more momentum, confidence, and playmaking ability at the QB position I believe Notre Dame could win this game and would be favored.
However, that is not the case---and the Seminoles can counter with an athletic quarterback who can make plays in a variety of ways.
Don't worry, the Citrus Bowl has FieldTurf now.
Taking away sack yardage, Manuel ran for 354 yards at 5.1 yards per carry in 2011, converting a first down on 20 of those 69 carries. Before this season, Manuel had run for a very quiet 385 yards at 5.5 per carry, and he's more than capable of ripping off 15+ yard scrambles.
As a playmaker, I like the ball in his hands late in the game versus what Notre Dame has to offer (immobility, lack of down field passing, shuffling of two quarterbacks, inexperience, etc.) at this point.
It also doesn't bode well that the Irish are very turnover prone and FSU adept at forcing turnovers.
Florida State might have a really hard time moving the ball, but at the same time, Notre Dame has really struggled to force turnovers on defense. In a low-scoring game, FSU may be more than happy to keep punting and rely on their opportunistic defense to land a devastating blow or two.
This would be a much different game with Jonas Gray and Braxston Cave in the lineup for the Irish. With them, the Notre Dame offense is much better than Florida State's, but without them the running game and line play has dropped off somewhat significantly.
It might be hard for some to envision a loss to a Seminole team with a bad offensive line, bad running game, and pretty average offense overall, but we need to look no further than the Boston College game to see how a lousy offense can stay in a game with Notre Dame.
And now, Florida State has a better quarterback, much more dynamic receivers, and a stingier defense than the Eagles.
Notre Dame might have some early success running the ball and taking advantage of FSU's aggressiveness, but eventually the Seminoles will get it under control, use their speed to limit the short passing game of the Irish, and make Tommy Rees very uncomfortable.
As important as line play and winning in the trenches are, this game will prove the importance of having a difference maker at quarterback---and it will be a lesson Brian Kelly may have to seriously ponder during the offseason.
Florida State 20
Notre Dame 16
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The Irish front 7 should have no problem
stopping the run, but will have to keep FSU from getting to the outside. The key IMO is if Diaco turns the defense loose and lets them pressure and get after Manuel. This game should be low scoring and if turnover free for the Irish, they will come out on top.
Per our friends at Tomahawk Nation
The FSU offensive line may look like this from left to right:
Sanders—-Matias—-Barron—-Jackson—-Hart
One senior and FOUR TRUE FRESHMEN.
Sky rockets in flight.
Release the Kraken!
whiskey
www.onefootdown.com
by whiskey OFD on Dec 27, 2011 4:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we have relatively similar
defenses (per your chart on our performances against Mormon opponents) and a better (if only slightly) offense, shouldn’t we be favored?
by my name is inigo montoya on Dec 27, 2011 12:59 PM EST reply actions
Similar opponents*
Not sure how that autocorrects to mormon, but I got a chuckle out of it
by my name is inigo montoya on Dec 27, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
QB is a question mark for ND, much more so than it is for FSU. Sure FSU’s O-line may be stinky, but we are without Cave and Gray too. I think our offensive numbers deep without those two all season.
Factor in their defense (likely) being a little better, their special teams possibly the best in the country, basically a home game for FSU——3 points is pretty fair.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 27, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Similar doesnt always mean as good tho...
Although I think you guys have the slight advantage on the D-line because of our weak O-Line (not based on sheer talent), I don’t believe these Defenses are really that close.
I think our D-Line is better, but will be facing a better O-Line
People assume that Florida State is infinitely more talented then we are
However, I did some research, and since 2007, here are the average recruiting rankings for both teams using the three major recruiting services (Rivals, Scout, ESPN)
Rivals
FSU: 9.8
ND: 10.8
Scout
FSU: 13.8
ND: 12.6
ESPN
FSU: 10.8
ND: 12.6 (Should be higher but ESPN ranked our 2008 class ninth when it was second in the other two services, I’ve never see that kind of difference in opinion)
So I think it’s fair to say that both teams are almost dead even talent-wise and have underachieved equally with that talent. However, and X-Factor that I’ve been pointing out is the quality of competition faced this year and we have an overwhelming advantage.
Our opponents this year had a combined record of 83-61 with some pretty good teams in there (Stanford, USC, MSU), while Florida State’s opponents were a combined 55-79 with the best team on their schedule perhaps being Clemson or Oklahoma (both have three losses). Not to mention that vaunted Florida State defense gave up an average of 31 points per game to the three offenses in the top 50 that they faced, so it’s obvious that those gaudy defensive numbers were put up against extremely weak competition.
So I honestly believe that this is a game Notre Dame SHOULD win, especially given our obvious advantage in the trenches. Unfortunately, given that our penchant is turnovers at the wrong time and the fact that our offense is so inconsistent, it will probably be a struggle. Regardless…
ND 23
FSU 17
May God have mercy on my enemies, because I won't
-Patton
by Three and Eight-Elevenths Men on Dec 27, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions
Agreed...
Really good work here. I expect a ND victory as well. To me, ND is the more complete team, as they don’t have a unit nearly as bad as FSU’s offensive line. And I wouldn’t put too much stock into FSU’s ridiculous top 5 ranking earlier this season, nor do I think their stats against the truly awful teams on their schedule should really make ND tremble.
Don’t turn the ball over, mix up the offensive personnel, and go to your future NFLers often and I really think ND does more offensively than FSU is capable with their personnel at this point.
As I mentioned, FSU didn't play a particularly daunting schedule
At least not in terms of teams with good to great offenses. That’s why the advanced stats are more friendly towards Notre Dame.
However, they are pretty much a top 10 defense across the board using advanced stats. You can’t really fake that kind of domination.
The top three offenses using traditional NCAA stats (total yardage) that FSU faced were Oklahoma, Clemson, and Virginia.
That Virginia is the third team says a lot about their schedule, yet they did not average giving up 31 points per game to those three teams.
They averaged giving up 24 points and 356 yards in those games.
That…is very good.
They held Oklahoma to 310 yards and 4.7 yards per play…very good numbers. In fact, the 310 yards they held the Sooners to this year was the lowest for OU in over two full seasons worth of games (back to the beginning of 2009).
Their numbers are probably better if Manuel had played against Clemson too.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 27, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Let's go Irish!!!
28-24 Irish…
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
Thanks, burgs
Yeah, I’ve been doing a bit of my own writing and such, and decided to concentrate on that for awhile. Plus, with the holidays I took some time away from the interwebz. Look forward to coming back here! Miss you guys, haha
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
JK's back, so there goes tha hood.
Whatcha been writing?
by Mouth of the South on Dec 28, 2011 12:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
MotS....
I’ve been writing for a blog that has me scouting talent for the NFL Draft, among other topics. It’s pretty cool. They aren’t as funny as you guys here…actually they are pretty rigid, which makes for some awkward moments when I crack a joke like “Harumph Fullbacks!”,“Release the Kraken”, or “Goldrix”. Instead, I get the raised eyebrow and a “WTF are you talking about?”
Oh well, I miss spending my time here. I’ve been keeping up with all your guys’ articles via RSS Feed, I just haven’t been commenting. The community looks like it’s growing with quality people, which is awesome! Congrats guys, this is definitely one of the only blogs worth spending time and commenting on nowadays.
PS- I totally forgot to finish my Bowl picks on ESPN….WOOPS
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
Like ND, EJ Manuel is also playing for his 3rd straight bowl victory
I think that one of the most important thing FSU has going for them is the time off to heal up. It’ll be nice to see FSU play for the first time since week 2 or 3 without being seriously limited by injuries, esp. on O. The obvious worry is the inexperienced OL, but these guys are part of the #1 2011 OL class in the country and they’re ready to play. If FSU wins, it will be Fisher’s best win of 2012.
p.s. there hasn’t been any QB controversy in Tallahassee this year.
Championship!
Perhaps controversy is the wrong word
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 27, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, Dilemma?
I’m sure we’ll be seeing a lot of Hendrix in this game.
As important as line play and winning in the trenches are, this game will prove the importance of having a difference maker at quarterback—-and it will be a lesson Brian Kelly may have to seriously ponder during the offseason.
I hope BK reads this, I really do. This game will help prove this exact point, that ND needs a QB who is a dual threat. However, I do think Tommy Rees can take advantage of the aggressive nature of FSU by throwing screens (GASP), WR Screens and handing the ball off on draws all day long. The only problem we have is that TR can’t take advantage of a defense who will creep up after a few successful draws and screens, because of his lack of deep ball accuracy.
ND needs to score quickly and then rely on its defense the rest of the way. FSU’s line is young and I believe our young guys up front are much better than the FSU OL, which will lead to a plethora of pressure and a bevy of sacks (Over/Under 4, I’m thinking 5) Having a healthy Ethan Johnson and Manti Te’o will be amazing for this defense…
The Irish can ill afford to come out like they did against USC or Pitt. They need to score quickly like they did against the service academies and Purdue. This will force Manuel out of his comfort zone and will ultimately give the Irish the upper hand.
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
Do you honestly think that Brian Kelly...
…a coach of over 20 years in his offense, really needs a “lesson” in what kind of quarterback he needs for his own offense? I’m sorry, but this has to be the most ignorant statement that I have read on this site. To suggest that Brian Kelly lacks the ability or doesn’t recognize the importance of evaluating quarterback talent is foolish at best and arrogant at worst. If he had a “difference maker” QB ready, he would be playing such a QB. As he did not this season (until hopefully this week), he played the one who knew the playbook best.
This is my PSA to all ND fans: You do not, nor does anybody else, know the quarterback situation of the Notre Dame football team better than Brian Kelly does.
Who pissed in your coffee this morning, guy?
I trust BK’s instincts, but it doesn’t mean I HAVE TO agree with him all the time. We’ve been saying all year that TR is probably the right choice right now because of the fact that you brought up, Hendrix isn’t ready yet. Don’t come in here suggesting that I’m foolish or arrogant, there’s no need for that. There is such a thing as “respectfully disagreeing” with somebody without throwing around negative adjectives.
Furthermore, I never suggested that BK “lacks the ability” or “doesn’t recognize the importance of evaluating quarterback talent.” I merely pointed out an “opinion”, which I’m allowed to have, right? Hell, that’s the reason we are discussing this. So maybe you’re foolish at best and arrogant at worst for pointing out that you own the alpha and omega of opinion around here.
I think the “lesson” here is for you to learn how to dissent the correct way without offending people. You know, having a respectful discussion, not an argument…
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
I am more referencing the statement you quoted from Eric...
…and I hope that it was more of a throwaway comment than actually sincerely believing that Brian Kelly has a “lesson” to learn about what it is like to have a “difference maker” at the quarterback position. It is wholly condescending to his extensive career and experience running HIS OWN offense to suggest that he needs to sit down and really learn this offseason about the importance of the quarterback position.
C’mon, the guy has been coaching for decades, he knows his offense, he knows what his quarterbacks are capable of, and he has seen many more hours of their performance than any of us. I suppose it is everyone’s right to question a coach’s personnel decisions or playcalling or recruiting decisions, although I tend not to. But I don’t think anyone is right to suggest or outright say that Brian Kelly doesn’t know how important having a good quarterback is. Maybe I am reading and interpreting that statement too sensitively, but I really think it is disrespectful and condescending to Coach Kelly. This is not a “lesson” that he needs to learn from one game and he certainly doesn’t need to hear it from some bloggers.
It's not condescending at all
It’s not like I think Kelly is going to have to sit down like an idiot and go over his playbook and realize what he needs from his QB, as if he’s forgotten what his offense is all about.
What he’ll have is a tough choice to make in the offseason, and the bowl may be a game (among others) that allows him to learn more about what his QB’s can and cannot do.
Playing a tough, fast, and physical defense such as FSU will be an opportunity and a lesson on how Rees and Hendrix can deal with such pressure.
Don’t we learn a lot from games?
Are coaches any different?
Are you suggesting Kelly doesn’t learn from the games that are played and weighs those lessons when approaching the building of the program?
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 28, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I apologize for coming off as brash, alstein...
I merely don’t like when people come in here thinking they have the be-all, end-all discussion points and that everyone needs to believe their point of view. That, to me, is the very definition of arrogance.
I think BK knows right now that TR gives ND’s most consistent chance of winning. But, I think it’s foolish not to at least look at the possibility of having Hendrix come in and add a dimension that TR can’t provide, even if it means we need to go through another “growing pains” period.
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
Fair enough...
I just really take exception to using the term “lesson” I guess. It sounds condescending to me. Like Brian Kelly really has a lesson to learn about quarterback play. Does he need to reevaluate what he’s got? Of course he does. He does that every week and he is obviously going to do so in the offseason. Will he have a tough choice going into next season? Yes, he will and he knows that. Is his ultimate decision subject to scrutiny far and wide? Yep, it comes with the territory of being ND’s head football coach and making lots of money.
But in no way does he need a lesson about the importance of having a difference maker at the quarterback position. He knows that already.
What jkra said
If you’re going to trot the line that “BK knows more than us” than just log-off and don’t bother discussing Irish football. You can say that about everything with the program, but what’s the point?
As far as what I wrote and what jrka was discussing—-it’s not an indictment on what Kelly did this year with the quarterbacks.
It has more to do with the future and what course Kelly may or may not take.
Whether I or anyone else likes it, Rees is likely to be the front-runner heading into the spring. If he doesn’t play well against FSU, it may be time for Kelly to reconsider another option—-even if that does happen to coincide with said other options knowing more of the playbook.
But who knows, maybe he sticks with Rees for whatever reasons? We’ll just have to see, but this FSU game could be an example of how Rees isn’t going to help in the future.
If Kelly realizes that and trusts the other guys we’ll see a change next year.
Despite his experience in his offense, etc. he wouldn’t be the first coach in history to make mistakes involving his quarterbacks.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 28, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
This is exactly what I was trying to say...
As a community I think we’ve come to the conclusion that we trust BK, but we don’t agree with every decision he makes for the program (for the record he’s done WAAAAAAY more good than bad.) We know he doesn’t visit the blogosphere to help make his choices, but as fans it’s our duty to discuss his decisions. We aren’t experts like he is, but we aren’t exactly uninformed either, and therefore can have educated discussions on the decisions he’s made.
TR and Hendrix will be hotly debated until next fall, whether we like that or not…
"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South
I've said for a while now that I think BK knows Rees isn't the long term solution, but that he's the solution 'right now"
and his public support of him is simply to keep his confidence up for “right now”. He can’t do anything other than say “Rees just wins football games” because he has to support him. What would people have him do, say “Well, Rees knows the offense the best so he’ll play, but he doesn’t have a prayer of beating out Golson or Hendrix next Spring”? He CANNOT say that, even if my 2 year old can see it’s true. Once he passed the halfway point of the season, he was pretty much stuck with his decision to go with Rees as the starter. He probably thought Tommy would improve (we all did), rather than regress. But after the bye week, it’s too late to change starters and get Hendrix ready for the whole offense. He hasn’t had time to do that until Bowl prep.
I don’t really think the FSU game is going to tell us anything about the long term (partially because I think EG is the answer). Rees doesn’t get to be next year’s starter if he plays well against FSU, and neither does Hendrix if he plays well. Rees could play his way out of the competition with a bad game, but Hendrix can’t, because he can use the “first timer” excuse.
But back to your and jkra’s original point, for the most part we trust BK. Heck, I can even say that I’d have made the same decisions he did, AT THE TIME, and understand why he made them. Doesn’t mean that he, or I, was right, and we can openly discuss that. Rees isn’t the answer at QB. While you might have had an idea of that in September, no one can say they “knew” any different, or that any of the other options would have fared better. This time next year, if Rees is still starting over Golson and Hendrix, I’ll wonder what’s up big time.
"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 28, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't Kelly have to admit that...
after having a whole off-season, the man made the wong decision on his opening day starter? Can we not then discuss his decisions since?
I think he admitted it
by pulling his starter at halftime of the first game. It was pretty obvious and pretty public.
Nobody’s saying we can’t discuss his decisions since then. But let’s not pretend their nonsensical and obviously wrong, at the time the decisions were made, either. If anything, the only thing I would have done differently (and the post history proves this) is I would have worked in more Hendrix earlier, but I can’t even say I would have given Hendrix the whole playbook, as my posts were definitely saying that he should be brought in to run a different package than Rees. In hindsight, I’d have changed that to work Hendrix to have more and more of the playbook each week and be ready to run the whole thing by Wake Forest or so. But again, that’s predicated on knowing Rees would not improve, which we know now, but did not know the first week of September.
"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
進者往生極楽 退者無間地獄
Notre Dame Fightin' Irish + Hawaii Warriors
The Japanese History Podcast
by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 29, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
See UF Game
“I do think Tommy Rees can take advantage of the aggressive nature of FSU by throwing screens (GASP), WR Screens and handing the ball off on draws all day long”
This worked really well for them too….
True ...
However, Rees may not be great, but he’s no John Brantley.
And the Irish have a better offensive line, plus AA-type players in Floyd and Eifert.
Which is the long way of saying, our offense is significantly better than Florida’s.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 29, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Fair Assesment!
To be honest, I’m not to worried about Floyd, as I am confident that whichever corner is on him, will do quite well with a Joyner shadow over the top.
What i am concerned with is Eifert, because we have historically shown a weakness with gaurding big, athletic tight ends.
Defenses have shown over the second half of the season
that taking away Floyd goes a long way towards stopping the Irish offense. The question is whether ot not ND will get a ground game going to take some pressure off of Rees.
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The same can be said of Notre Dame as far as injuries go
Ethan Johnson has been hobbled with an ankle sprain, but he should be 100%, and Te’o has been playing with a high ankle sprain for a while now, so he should be good to go by now.
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It may have been the #1 OL class...
but only because of the number of guys they brought in, not because of the top end talent. The only real possible blue chipper is Bobby Hart, and he has already been started and struggling. Barron is a 2 star and he is the guy with his hand on the ball every snap. Matias and Jackson flat out are not starter quality this early in their careers, especially not against EJ, Lynch, Tuitt, Nix et al. Not to mention, continuity between OL is more important really than any other position group; you can just swap guys in and out there. FSU is running out a scout team OL and ND’s front 7 should be embarrassed if they don’t exploit that constantly on Thursday.
Prestwood is no longer there as well
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 27, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think that would be a big hit to the ranking...
and the fact that he transferred to ND after the spring semester just adds insult to injury.
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Matias and Jackson
are ready to start physically. And Barron is only starting because Stork (RS So) is injured. There’s no way they have what it takes above the shoulders to be anything more than average right now. But although it may be hard to believe, they’re the best OL we have right now, so they’re playing.
Championship!
Here's a synopsis of what happened with our OL
- starting Sr. LT Datko – season ending injury (shoulder)
- starting Sr. OG Spurlock – multiple concussions; cleared to play but not what he was pre-concussions.
- starting Jr. OG Fahrenkrug – shoulder injury, cleared to play but severely limited;
- backup So OG/C Stork – hand injury (hand in cast);
- backup So OL Orelus – concussions, cannot play;
- backup RS So OG/OT Faircloth – hip, cannot play.
- backup So OG Stanley – foot, medical DQ.
This leaves FSU with 1 Sr. starter (Sanders) at LT, 1 RS Fr (Foose) who hasn’t played and 7 true Fr.
Championship!
No one is saying that it's not the right personnel moves....
…we are just saying that it is an enormous weakness for FSU in this game. FSU’s Oline has been dreadful all year, and to hope that a set of freshmen 3rd/4th stringers is going to step in and outperform or even maintain that dreadful play is blindly optimistic.
It also kinda dispels your notion of FSU having time to heal up and finally get a chance to play without being limited by injuries. Clearly, that is not the case. There are plenty of reasons why FSU might win this game. Health and OL are least likely to be among them.
Yeah
I expect ND to blow up our OL all day. This means that our O effectiveness depends almost wholly on whether Jimbo can call the right play in light of the kids on our OL.
I expect a low-scoring, hard-hitting, ugly (offensively) game. It’s probably a true pick ’em game.
Championship!
Re injuries & time to heal
the most important player on our team, EJ, has been hurt for > 50% of the season. He’s much more effective when healthy. There are also 2 WRs (Reed & Haggins) who were nursing injuries that appear to have healed enough to play. There are a few starters on the D (DE Jenkins, CB Rhodes) who have also been nursing injuries who should be almost at full health for the game.
But your right about the OL, besides Fahrenkrug and Spurlock, all of the others in the 2-deep have injuries that completely prevent them from playing in the bowl game.
Championship!
You do realize this game will be played in 2011, right?
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That game sucked donkey balls...
That was an awful game. Thousands of empty seats, Wolfpack fans coming out of the woodwork, Willingham getting exposed. I flew to Jacksonville on AirTran. When we switched planes in Atlanta there were about 130 NC State fans and 5 ND fans on the plane. It felt like I was at a Jeff Foxworthy show. I had a chance to hook up with a “dancer” that weekend too, but got blocked by a friend of friend and wound up just getting drunk off my ass instead.
What a craptastic weekend that was.
by Burn That Bridge on Dec 28, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
A "dancer" in Jacksonville?
Might have been my cousin. Seriously.
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