Notre Dame Football Recruting 2012: Remaining Positional Priorities, Part 2
A few weeks back I broke down how the roster will likely look in 2012 based on returning players, likely 5th years, and recruiting (as it stands today). For reference, the article can be found here.
Last week I covered four positions (QB, OL, DE, OLB) that I feel are a priority for the remaining open scholarships in the 2012 recruiting class, and that can be found here.
In this week's segment, I will cover the remaining positions (RB, WR, TE, DT, ILB, DB) and who are targets high on the coaching staff's wish list.
Official offers and targets after the jump.
Since last week's article was missing some of the skill positions on the offensive side of the ball, I will start there.
RB Offers/Targets:
Notre Dame already has one RB verbal commitment for the 2012 class, William Mahone (Youngstown, OH). In my opinion, there isn't a big need for a second RB unless the staff was able to land a top flight recruit (aka Keith Marshall). Since they missed out on Marshall, there is only one remaining target for RB in the 2012 class--Keivarae Russell (Everett, WA).
Russell appears to be down to Cal, Washington and ND as finalists. He is a similar athlete to Mahone, and given the distance, it could be difficult for the staff to pry him from the northwest to compete in a crowded backfield for playing time.
WR Offers/Targets:
Wide receiver appears to be the favorite recruiting topic for Irish fans everywhere this year. Clearly there are some big shoes to fill for the staff, seeing as how they lose Michael Floyd to graduation and likely Theo Riddick to a position change (moving back to RB).
So far the staff has three verbal commitments from WRs--Deontay Greenberry (Fresno, CA), Justin Ferguson (Hollywood, FL), and Chris Brown (Charleston, SC). Each of these guys brings something a little different to the table, but all will be excellent fits for the offensive scheme and at least one should contribute right away.
All that being said, the staff appears intent on taking one more WR in this cycle, and there are several players who are being targeted for that final spot. This list includes Nelson Agholor (Tampa, FL), Jordan Payton (Thousand Oaks, CA), Ralph Andrades (Tallahassee, FL), Davonte Neal (Paradise Valley, AZ), and Jordan Westerkamp (Lombard, IL).
Of the list, Agholor is probably at the top of everyone's wish list. Neal visited last weekend for the awards show and left with a great impression of Notre Dame (and would be a phenomenal fit at the slot position). Payton visited for the USC game, while Andrades and Westerkamp have upcoming visits.
TE Offers/Targets:
After initially missing on the top TEs of the 2012 class, it appeared that the staff would pass on the position for the class. Then Arizona decided to fire Mike Stoops, which essentially put Taylor McNamara (San Diego, CA) back on the market.
McNamara visited for the BC game in November and was very impressed. He wants to play right away, so his decision could hinge on whether or not Tyler Eifert comes back next year. Notre Dame's chief competition includes Michigan, Oklahoma, California and Colorado.
DT Offers/Targets:
The Irish already have a commitment from Sheldon Day (Indianapolis, IN) and are not looking for another DT for 2012.
ILB Offers/Targets:
With the recent announcement that Manti Te'o is coming back for his senior season, the ILB depth chart appears to be very crowded. There is one target left on the board in Schyler Miles (Tampa, FL). Miles does not yet have an offer, but visited last weekend for the banquet. An offer may be on the way once the numbers are firmed up for the 2012 season, and don't be surprised to see one go out in the next few weeks (Florida and Kansas have already offered). Miles also happens to be teammates and very good friends with one Nelson Agholor.
DB Offers/Targets:
Next to WR, DB seems to be the position with the most interest/remaining targets on board for the staff. There are already five commits at DB for 2012 (six if you count Chris Badger coming back following his Mormon mission). The current list includes two of the top CBs of the class in Ronald Darby (Oxon Hill, MD) and Tee Shepard (Fresno, CA) along with safeties Nicky Baratti (Spring, TX), CJ Prosise (Woodberry Forest, VA) and John Turner (Indianapolis, IN).
The targets remaining on board include Shaq Thompson (Sacramento, CA), teammates Yuri Wright and Elijah Shumate (Ramsey, NJ), Ishmael Adams (Thousand Oaks, CA), Donaldven Manning (Miami, FL), Demetrius Cox (Jeannette, PA) and Marcus Rios (Elk Grove, CA). A current Penn State recruit (Armani Reeves - West Roxbury, MA) is keeping the Irish on his short list of back-up schools depending on the coaching situation in State College.
Of the group, most of these players visited for the USC game (Thompson, Adams, and Manning). Wright, Schumate, and Rios are all planning on a visit this weekend.
At this point, Thompson would be a long-shot as it appears he will likely head to Cal (but ND is still in his top 5). Wright and Schumate would be a phenomenal safety tandem to go along with Shepard and Darby (think Sapp-Earl-Walton-Duff). Manning is a current Virigina Tech commit and early entry candidate. Cox and Rios are late comers and I have no idea where either end up going.
Wrapping It All Up:
With limited numbers left in the 2012 recruiting cycle, the staff has the luxury to pursue top-flight talent to fill the remaining scholarships. Of the positions covered, WR and DB seem to be locks to add another playmaker or two for the fall.
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The only recruit that is committed already that I worry about is Darby.
According to Brian Dohn at IrishEyes Auburn is making a huge push for Darby and Florida is also expected to pursue him hard…..but he(Darby) says hes still 100% Irish….keeping my fingers crossed.
You get that with the elite talents in a class...
and its the nature of college football recruiting today.
I would really like to see the NCAA institute an early signing period for football sometime in July or early August—it would really benefit the kids in (a) protecting their scholarship since some schools will pull them late based on numbers or injuries, and (b) give them a break from the constant pressure from coaches/fans/classmates/etc.
The Irish are poaching Westerkamp and Reeves...sure it goes on....just saying I hope
Darby stays committed.
Maybe, maybe not
I don’t believe that Reeves has scheduled anything, and Westerkamp is Nebraska’s only WR commit right now, so they will put on the full-court press to keep him.
Concur on the early signing period.
That would simplify things a bit.
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by whiskey OFD on Dec 14, 2011 10:43 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I should utilize the underline feature
I don’t use it enough.
Anyway….I’d really like Russell and Agholor, and one more corner of which I’m not as picky about at this point (thank you Lord Jesus for Darby and Shepard).
Miles is listed as 6’2" by two of the three main services and 6’1" by the other. From his film, it looks like he’s struggling for 6’0"——does anyone else think he’s short? Not that it should disqualify the kid, but that’s something I noticed and thought was weird since the 3-4 typically demands a beefier ILB.
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I think Rios will be the next Irish DB committ, he just got his offer after raising his ACT.s
and before the offer he was the one reaching out to the Irish.
Most of the film I saw on Miles was at FB
You also bring up a good point with the difference in measurables by the services. I think a lot of them get height/weight from high school rosters, so it is tough believe some of them.
As far as size goes, the Irish skipped offering another ILB this spring based on size. Typically yes, you want bigger ILBs in the 3-4 b/c they are asked to take on OL more in the system. I am interested to see what happens with him as far as offers go…
I think there's generally a 1 to 1.5 inch curve.
Grace was listed by many at 6’4", and he’s now officially 6’2 1/2.
Decker is listed by man as 6’8", but it would surprise me if he’s 6’7" or less.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 14, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
And they usually lose another half-inch to an inch at the NFL Combine.
by Mouth of the South on Dec 14, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Not always
JaMarcus Russell gained quite a few inches once he got into the NFL.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 14, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
MIles as of now has not been offered by the Irish and has been told by the
coaching staff that an offer depends on other circumstances. It is like the Teo/Toma thing, ….. contingent basically on Agholor committing.
Fullback?
Maybe Kelly can win over some fans if he recruits Miles as a FB/LB. He would just happen to play LB 100% of the time…
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Not to nitpick...
…but you left CB Brian Poole (current Florida commit) off your list of DBs. The only reason I even bring it up is because he is the most likely of the group that they are recruiting to come to ND. His parents are sold on him coming to ND, so the staff is working hard to get him to leave his comfort zone in Florida. He’s small-ish and needs to learn to tackle with his head up but certainly loves to hit and has elite speed.
Thanks for the info
Last I saw, he was pretty firm with Florida, so I left him off the list. I know he has always been on the periphery and was another that visited for the USC game. I still think it will be tough to get him out of Florida, but you never know.
We've got a nitpicker over here!
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by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 14, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
from what i read... (WR)
i heard the staff hasn’t quite given up on stefon diggs either-
is the probability there greater than or less than 10%?
Expectation is...
…that Ronnie Stanley commits to Denbrock for the in-home visit tomorrow. We could be welcoming #16 tomorrow.
This weekend is another big one for recruiting. Big names in the defensive backfield, and I would have to think 2-3 of any of the names mentioned are welcome to join Darby and Tee (and the 3 safeties), first come, first served. This has the potential to be the best DB haul in ND history with another 3-4 spots for Kiel, Agholor, Garnett, Russell, Armstead, Ekenam, Odenigbo, or maybe a surprise or two.
(I have pretty high hopes for this class)
High hopes indeed...
so if you were given 7 scholarships left (about the number I expect), who would you bring in if it were up to you?
In order...
Agholor (please oh please oh please…)
Shumate (Slaughter part II?…yes please)
Rios (love his film, perfect size, excellent tackler, need one more CB)
Kiel (perfect fit for the offense, but if he is hunting for a promise of early PT, I’d tell him thanks but no thanks)
Stanley (he’s already joining, and he is the prototype for BK)
Garnett (NEVER turn away an elite OL)
Armstead (NEVER turn away an elite DL)
If Kiel is the flake I’m unfairly judging him to be, then I’d just assume take him out and throw in someone fast (Davonte Neal). I also like Ken Ekanem as well, but there is an embarrassment of riches still available, and he isn’t quite up there in terms of need. Armstead is the only one that I would say is unlikely out of those that I listed (Cal); the other ones are just getting underway or are just as likely to choose ND as any others.
Meant to be a reply to Jim.
As they say on the internets, fail.
Just as soon*
This one however, not as interesting as the “chock it up” v. “chalk it up” debate of week 3.
I don't follow, PB&J. What's the debate here?
by Mouth of the South on Dec 14, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhhh...
I didn’t notice. Slacking on my editorial eye, I guess. I think al meant “I’d just as soon.”
by Mouth of the South on Dec 14, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
No Odengibo?
I will have to check out the film on Rios, you guys are pretty high on him and he is a late-comer to the party, so I admit that I don’t know much.
Ekanem...
just tore his ACL, so he is all but guaranteed to redshirt year one even though it isn’t severe. That might make Odengibo the preferred choice (although either is unlikely to play this year).
I really like Rios but he is the lowest rated according to Rivals of the CBs they are still recruiting except Manning, so my opinion probably doesn’t amount to a whole lot. That said, he looks to me to be a really good at diagnosing plays and tackling and a good punt returner too.
Per his words...
No matter where he ends up, Ekanem will be coming off injury upon his arrival.
“I got a torn ACL in the game,” Ekanem said. "I’m doing better. I get more movement every day. I’m healing up pretty fast surprisingly. I walked a little on it yesterday.
“My doctors said for it to fully heal it’ll be within five or six months. I haven’t had surgery yet, I have to wait for the swelling to go down, but it’s going down quickly. I’ll probably end up redshirting though.”
Why deny Kiel a shot at playing time next season?
It is not as if ND has a sure thing next season at QB. They have Rees, and two unknowns, Hendrix and Golson. Kiel might be the best of the lot.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 15, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't deny him...
but I sure as hell wouldn’t guarantee him anything either. If he isn’t willing to compete for the job, then I just don’t know if he’s a good fit for BK’s coaching style.
Some recruits tell the coach that they want early playing time, and that’s all well and good because that’s what is important to them. But if a QB really would rather go to IU or Purdue or Vandy just to be a guaranteed starter as a freshman, eh, maybe it’s just me, but I’ll tell him that maybe he isn’t right for ND (especially with Coach Kelly).
I heard somewhere that Kiel isn't concerned with playing right away
He’s accepted that he’ll probably sit out a year or two.
That’s just internet rumor though, so take it for what’s it worth.
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Mike Frank and Coach D have said this several times.
by Mouth of the South on Dec 15, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
So actually--it may not be internet rumor.
It’s speculation based on their conversations with him. So not entirely unreliable, though maybe not directly from the horse’s mouth.
by Mouth of the South on Dec 15, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
That must be where I heard it
I just assumed I read it somewhere online.
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Another RB is a need.
Cierre Wood, GAIII, Cam McDaniel and Theo Riddick are our only backs right now. Cam Roberson had a devastating Knee injury and as of now is a ??? So that’s a senior a junior and two sophomores. The senior has spent the last two season playing WR and the sophomores have almost no playing time. I want more depth.
Will Mahone is a good one but I want Kevarie Russell too, as they compliment each others skill sets. Not to knit pick but, they are not similar backs at all. Mahone 5’11" 205 and a powerful back. Russell 6’0" 170 , that some services have listed as an athlete as he could play the slot also.
I don't see how that makes it a need...
…there are 5 guys for one spot on the field. That seems like plenty, and if Russell doesn’t come, then they go after it hard next year and it’s not a problem for the future. If the 4 other than Wood are busts, then that’s an indictment on the guys they brought in, not on not bringing in Russell. Gimme the linemen, and I’ll take my chances with the backs.
I'm not at all sold on
McDaniel especially or Atkinson.. So therefore I consider it a great need. OL has three new guys(counting Stanley) plus Prestwood. Also take into account Wood could leave early. Are we desperate no but, I would say bodies are needed much more at RB than OL….plus #s on DL would allow a switch or two to OL if needed. (Springman, Jones)
You both make good points.
But if your line is good, your grandma can run behind it. And this staff hasn’t been pulling in blue chip offensive linemen by the bushel. They’ve done well in numbers and gotten a bunch of 3.5 to 4.5 star guys, but no real legitimate 5 star linemen. Take the big men. And receivers—next year we’ll have no one who has proven anything. If you need to, you can convert a corner or safety into a decent RB.
by Mouth of the South on Dec 14, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Just don't try to convert an average RB into a LB
/Travis Thomas wiffs on a tackle.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 14, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not.
Someone’s back. Must have had some Poi and Lomi Lomi, with a mochi/ice cream ball dessert.
by Mouth of the South on Dec 14, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
...and then convert them back into an RB
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ND is solid at OL...
but it needs to be great. Greatness happens when you have a ton of elite guys because let’s face it, a lot of them end up sucking in college because they don’t know the first thing about playing OL. They are just bigger and stronger than everyone in HS, so they are awesome until they play real DEs. I have no reason to believe that any of Lombard, Decker, Prestwood, Stanley, or Nichols won’t be good BCS tackles, but I’m positive that some of them won’t be. If you can get more and more better OTs, maybe it’s just me but I’d take that over Arian Foster.
This is one place where i would disagree
I think more than any other position, O-linemen who are elite are more likely to be developed than to exist off of elite talent.
Players like Carimi, Castonzo, Solder were all 2 and 3 star players. Wisconsin’s O-line consists of one 5 star and the rest 2 and 3 star players.
That’s certainly not to say we should not be recruiting 5 star players because certainly in most parts those players are less likely to be misses. But from what I’ve seen, as long as you have great teachers, strength coaches, and a player with an ideal build and quickness, you can develop an elite O-line and not have to rely on 4 and 5 stars to get the job done.
That's a really good point...
…it’s all about the development of these guys and their training regiment, and BK knows how to make this happen, no doubt about it. But you still gotta get more linemen bodies on the roster because, for one reason or another, a bunch won’t develop. My larger point is that ND needs more linemen, even if you like the current group of the future. When it comes down to allocating a very limited number of scholarships left, mine are going to building OL depth, not RB depth (Russell) or TE depth (McNamara, who some people are overly passionate about getting for some reason).
That said, I will still be happy if Russell joins the recruiting class. I am just speaking from the perspective that if we are really in the hunt for all these recruits, Russell is kinda low on my most wanted list. In reality, only some of the guys that the coaching staff is recruiting are really going to pick us, so when all is said and done, ND isn’t going to be turning many 4 stars away.
Definitely agree with you
We need at least one more lineman in this class. We picked up some good ones last year, but you can’t let up at a key position like OL. Like Mouth said, you can make average running backs look very good with a great offensive line. I would love Russell, but I would take Stanley over him if given the choice.
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Needs to be said...
it doesn’t really change my opinion, but ND already does have an elite OT committed in the 2013 class in Steve Elmer. It might change the numbers a little bit having that ace in the hole. But I’m stubbornly sticking with taking Garnett and Stanley if they want to come over Russell.
I guess we're kinda making parallel points
I agree with all that you said and what burger said below. I would like to be at minimum 3 players deep at each position (even more for the OL) and have 15-20 players on the roster for the OL. So average about 4 recruits/year on the OL. Would love to pick up Stanley and I would certainly make him and Garnett priorities.
You guys are crushing this discussion.
All making very good points.
But for me, for now, give me the elite offensive linemen while we’re building our program.
Next year we’ll have Riddick, Wood, GAIII, Run CMc(Daniel), hopefully CamRob, and Will Mahone, who may be college-ready when he gets here. If we’re lucky, we only lose Riddick after next year. More likely, we lose Riddick and Wood for ‘13, but we have GAIII and Cam McDiesel, both of whom will be in their third year in the program and weight room, Willy Mahoney will be in his second year, and CamRob may be able to give us some reps/depth. Then we can really sell the playing time angle to the elite ’13 running backs. And we’ll have monsters for them to run behind.
I’m not saying not to take Russell. Take him if you can get him, but also snag as many big men and WR’s as you can.
by Mouth of the South on Dec 14, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
The line is involved in literally every play on offense. If you’re running back is only so-so you can game plan around that more easily than you can with a line that’s not playing as it should. Look at the Stanford game, where we were pushed around the entire game and did literally nothing on offense for an entire half.
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I never knew Running Back
was such an easy position. To be counting on Atkinson and McDaniel to fill your “grandmothers” cleats right now is a gamble. Roberson even more so. I hope they’re good, Mahone too, I want another back though. I guess we disagree on our #s at OL vs RB.
I’m not advocating turning down any 4**** or 5 * players to add a RB. Garnett for instance. I don’t think you’ll have to. I just think you should push hard for Russell.
I've always looked at it like this....
O-linemen can be developed more easily, especially in comparison to running backs.
Personally, I don’t really subscribe to the theory that a great O-linemen can make an average running back look great. I mean it happens from time to time, but usually the running back is pretty darn good in college. Linemen can only block so many people near the line of scrimmage and then it’s up to the back to make plays at the second and third levels.
I think Armando Allen always will be the poster child for how to make your line look bad. Slow with his reads, slow to cut, and when holes were opened—-didn’t make people miss or break off long runs.
I guess I would say this—-you want lots of numbers on the line, but you need them at running back too because as alstein pointed out, some guys won’t develop. Well the same goes for running back too.
And as I see it, our depth is just fine on the line as is the perceived talent. I would say in both areas it’s a good deal better than running back.
I’m fine with taking another O-linemen of course, but I would get as many quality running backs as possible at the same time. Within reason of course.
Think about how many depth problems we’ve had at running back versus the line. For the past however many years we’ve only really played 6 linemen a year while the others sit and develop.
Personally, I’d love to see ND be able to trot out 4 or 5 guys in a season at running back. We’ll see.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 14, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
On the OL issue...
BK probably won’t land a whole lot of the 5 star linemen, simply because those aren’t the ones that he wants in his system. He needs athletic linemen that can move, block in space and get up field. The top rated linemen are often the biggest, and size is typically over-rated by the services.
I agree with what many others are saying here—OL can be developed to an extent.
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Allen's o-lines were pretty bad in his four years
And he got hurt before the line truly started to gel last year.
I think we can all agree that you never turn down a five star player, regardless of position or need. But I think picking up another offensive lineman is a bigger priority in this class than another running back. Assuming Riddick and GAIII stay at RB, we’ll have six players there next season. I think we would survive if we don’t sign another RB.
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I guess I could sum up my point this way....
The depth is fine at both positions, although I think it’s slightly less so at RB.
I just think it’s very important to find the truly special gems at running back, versus offensive line (where you’ll always have 3-star guys developed into top notch starters).
In order to develop those linemen you need bodies, but I’ve never really been that crazy about loading up on them every single year. Not when tight ends and d-linemen can be converted over to help out. Just look at the ’88 title team—-shitty depth with tons of movement to the O-line, yet outstanding running backs.
If it were me as coach, I’d always want to choose between at least 6 running backs to see who the most electric were. I think Kelly can do that right now, so it’s okay. But I would treat RB’s more like the line because A) A lot of running backs can play in a season and B) You never know when you’ll get that sensational freshman to come along and get a lot of playing time.
The other backs you can move to other positions no problem!
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by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 14, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
You only need one running back
You need five offensive lineman. I say load up on them.
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I'm with Burger on this one
Although it might be some Weisingham PTSD, since I distinctly recall going to a couple of the Blue-Gold games where we could barely field a full offensive line for one team, let alone two for a full scrimmage.
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by Publius2010 on Dec 14, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
On average we've probably played 4 running backs a year
Versus around 6 linemen a season.
I can’t recall the last time we had more than one long-term injury along the line.
Plus, how many linemen add to the depth numbers but never even play over a 5-year period?
Just by the nature of the position it seems like half of the recruits each season on the line end up barely making an impact over their careers.
Conversely, when you recruit a RB there is a specific intention that he’s going to be a starter or at least someone who is going to play significant minutes for a couple years.
When you only take one RB per season, or three RB’s over a two-year period, you are basically tying yourself to those players and betting that they will be your go-to players at the position for two or three years. Factor in the high rate of injuries and that sometimes well…those guys suck and you’re in a pickle.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 15, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
We can get by with six good lineman
But you need depth behind them. Outside of Cave’s injury this year and Dever missing a game or two last year, we’ve been lucky with injuries. We ran with only two legit backups this year – Lombard at both tackle spots and Nuss at both guard spots. Cave went down and we had to play Mike Golic there. Outside of those guys we would have had to either play Lane Clelland (and I would guess there’s a reason he hasn’t played much in his career) or burn a redshirt. I would prefer not to be in that situation and go two deep at every o-line spot, which we may come close to doing next year.
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disagree on only needing one RB
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 15, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
I mean strictly speaking
BK doesn’t run a two-back offense. There’s only one RB on the field at a time. Whereas there’s always 5 linemen on the field.
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I know BK likes to use 2 running backs
But having more than six seems excessive to me. Offensive line is such an important position that I would rather we load up on them and build depth than bring in tons of running backs we don’t really need.
(Of course I wouldn’t say no if Russell wants to sign with us, but I don’t think we need to settle for a body at RB if he turns us down.)
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If the six are good quality, I would agree
But ND has one: CWood. The rest are huge question marks.
GAIII, a big maybe, still looks more like a WR than a RB
Roberson, who knows after his injury
McDaniel, maybe a third down sort of back
Mahone is a start, but they really need another quality RB. The “veterans” backing up CWood do not look promising.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 17, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're a little too hard on Armando.
He was doing some pretty damn good things in his senior year before he got hurt.
And you can play a lot of guys at running back. Corners, safeties, and slot receivers can all make decent running backs.
To sum up, and bring this discussion out of the ether and back into the concrete:
1. I think we all agree that we should take Russell if we can get him.
2. We should also take whatever highly-rated O-linemen we can get, up to two.
3. There are no running backs on the board that any of us would bump for one of the two big-name O-linemen that we’re still pursuing.
by Mouth of the South on Dec 15, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Armando was aight.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 15, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Armando was indeed aight.
He was also no where near the 5’10’’ they listed him at. I swear, I was walking next to him once – he had headphones on and was singing “Stop in the Name of Love” loudly, without shame – and he couldn’t have been more than 5’7’’ or something. Cam McDaniel is also shockingly small.
That’s another problem with RBs – when they’re small, they get so destroyed out there, you need depth to keep their bodies working. I am amazed Cierre lasted the whole year; Jonas playing so much really helped that happen.
by fishoutofwater on Dec 15, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Da Bears have him listed at 5'8"
And 199 pounds.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Dec 15, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying.
That’s actually really interesting – wow. Makes you wonder what Cierre and Cam and the others actually come in at.
by fishoutofwater on Dec 15, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, another RB is a need
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 15, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
This is what could be
Kiel- QB …5***** always take one
Russell- RB …#s sway him
Stanley- OL ….probably by weekend
Westerkamp- WR …late offer but, it’s his dream school
McNamara- TE….I got a feeling Eifert jumps.
Ekanem- OLB ….knee?
Poole- CB …he’ll flip
Shumate- S…..it’s us or GT
Stanley to announce Thurs. aftenoon.
If he goes Irish, that will give ND 13 OL as they start fall camp next yr with at least 2yrs of eligiblity left.
Crossing my fingers
Let’s all agree that it would be awesome if we got Stanley AND Russell. That way, everyone’s happy.
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And Burgs, did you have to use a Te'o pic in which he's sporting the pink gloves?
Maybe you could MS paint them black or something, because the point is pretty cool.
by Mouth of the South on Dec 15, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
You're really going to question Te'o's choice of glove color?
Because he WILL find you.
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I didn't mean to "question" it per se...
I was just trying to help.
/moves to Rio.
//undergoes radical plastic surgery to change facial structure.
///lives under assumed name.
////is still found and broken in half by Te’o.
by Mouth of the South on Dec 15, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
This is a no-brainer, right?
He has a great official visit, and is set to announce soon thereafter?
by Mouth of the South on Dec 15, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
And an in-home last night with ND coaches
Not sure who it was exactly (Hinton? Warriner?)…regardless, signs are all pointing in that direction
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