Shamrock Series Announced: Feathers Are Going to be Ruffled
As preparations are made for Notre Dame's neutral site game against Maryland at FedEx Field, it was a foregone conclusion that the Fighting Irish would wear green jerseys.
Some thought the green would come out against USC a few weeks ago, but since they didn't many suggested it would just become an annual tradition for Notre Dame to wear emerald for their barnstorming games.
Now, it has become a partnership with Adidas.
Welcome to the Shamrock Series.
The biggest news of all?
New helmets---again.
Shamrocks on the helmets of course---again.
Oh boy, this could get ugly.
Here's the breakdown:
There will be new shamrock helmets with a leprechaun on the back (we'll get to those in a second) as well as the same green jerseys and gold pants worn last year against Army.
The team will also wear new Adizero gloves with gold palms and shamrock logo as well as white cleats.
The Irish will also feature "various uniforms" throughout the annual Shamrock Series games in the future against Miami next year at Soldier Field, and Arizona State at Cowboys Stadium in 2013.
This is a lot to digest, so let's break it all down.
The Concept and Idea is a Good One
In the statement released by the school it was announced that Notre Dame will wear its regular uniforms for the rest of the upcoming seasons, and have these neutral site Shamrock Series be the change of pace.
There's nothing wrong with that.
In fact, with Notre Dame's traditions, it's probably the safest most acceptable route to take.
The traditionalists get the blue and gold the vast majority of the time, and the progressives get their new uniforms once a year.
This also takes the difficult task of breaking out the green as a "surprise" or for "big games" out of the equation, and allows the coaching staff and team to just continue the tradition of wearing green without much of a fuss.
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The corporate manner in which this was announced is going to bother some people.
Well, probably a lot of people.
The university probably should have gone about this in a different way.
Now the Look
This is bad, real bad.
- The shamrock is bloated, fat, and far too big.
- The new gold is unnecessary and a big head scratcher after working so hard to get a new gold for the "regular" helmets.
- The biggest mistake---green facemasks. As much as people will point to other aspects, this is truly the biggest slap in the face of tradition. Notre Dame has worn nothing but gray facemasks, and the worst part is the green doesn't even match the shamrock.
Luckily, Maryland will likely wear something far more eye bleach worthy, but Notre Dame is going to be part of the fashion faux pas nonetheless.
With the green facemask, the helmet looks cheap and something a JV team in Pennsylvania would wear in imitation of Notre Dame.
After finally wearing the sharp kelly green with the UTL uniforms against Michigan this year, the Irish will revert back to the crappy hunter green uniforms with the dumb gold numbers. Throw in the white cleats, and the shamrock not matching the rest of the uniform and you have a recipe for ugliness.
Then Again---It's Not the End of the World
Despite the frenzy these helmets are already firing up, it's not the end of the world.
Sure they are ugly, and we'd be better off just scrapping the idea, but we'll move on after Saturday.
It's just one game.
Of course, the chatter is already turning to how Swarbrick & Co. can't do anything tastefully and all sorts of Doomsday scenarios are being bandied about.
Everyone just take a deep breath---it's going to be okay.
Some people are going to like this (probably including the players), most of us are not going to like it, but it will be just one game. If they are hideous this year, maybe it will look better next year at Solider Field. After all, the stadium music experience stunk in game one, and got better for game two.
It might be hard to realize right now, but this could be a cool annual tradition.
But you have to have a sharp and appealing design for that to happen.
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Color me part of the "progressives" crowd --
I am a big fan of the new helmets (super shiny, no shamrock, here for a long time helmets), and thought the UTL jerseys were the best jerseys we’ve worn, well pretty much ever (sorry tradional blue guys).
For this permutation: the shamrock is a little ridiculous. Keep it a little smaller next time. As far as the green jerseys, I think we should use an inverse of the UTL jerseys (these would also match better with white shoes). Overall though, I’m glad they’re doing something different.
For the future: I hope beyond hope, that at some point in my life, Notre Dame football players will come out of the tunnel wearing black jerseys. I would lose my shit. Black jerseys, Kelly green piping, White numbers, and maybe even (GASP!) a black helmet. I am also aware I’m probably one of maybe 15 ND fans that would be up for jersey changes as wild as this one, so I completely realize this will never happen. But a man can dream.
Black helmets: hell to the no
Black jerseys, still a stern no.
But yes, you can dream!
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 7, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno...
I can see an iteration of a black jersey with gold lettering that wouldn’t be terrible. Probably never happens, but I think the powers at be at least need to be open to it, even if any sort of design never sees the light of day.
Black helmet… NO!
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by averagegatsby on Nov 7, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
It would essentially be a New Orleans Saints jersey
Not sure, ND should go with that color scheme.
I hate gold numbers too—-I always have to point that out.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 7, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Would it be the worst thing for one game?
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by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
No, it wouldn't be the worst thing
But as much as I get excited for some uniform talk & changes I just don’t think a black jersey with gold numbers is worth the time.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
great idea
a black, green & gold enseble would be very cool
by brian custer on Nov 7, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I like the inverse UTL idea,
But black? IMHO, that’s a stupid idea and you’re a stupid idiot for thinking it. Just sayin…
Kidding of course, but I honestly hate it. Black has nothing to do with us. Black helmets? No matter what changes, the helmets must always be gold in honor of Our Lady’s Dome.
by Mouth of the South on Nov 7, 2011 11:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm well aware it will never happen,
so just playing 100% devil’s advocate here. Why not black? If your answer is “Tradition”, then isn’t it the same argument that so many of us have railed against in the discussions about jumbotron/fieldturf/fullbacks(HARUMPH)/shiny helmets??
Black doesn’t have to do with a majority of schools that wear it as a 3rd jersey choice, but they do it anyway, because it looks cool, or gets recruits, or any of a lot of reasons (mostly looks totally badass; personal opinion).
If we’re saying “Hey change is OK and welcome actually”, then why not throw some crazy ideas out there?
/devilsadvocate
Now honestly, in the real world, I totally understand that I’m one of very very few in the ND community that would like to see black jerseys (and probably one of even fewer that would want to see different helmets). I’m totally cool with that. I love our usual jerseys and helmets, and I love the different throwback / UTL type jerseys we’ve worn in the recent past, too. I’m only putting the black jersey argument out to show people that there are people from both ends of the spectrum out there (me being of the Oregon-worshipping variety, according to some).
In conclusion, you’re a stupid idiot. :D
I'm with ya
I’m all about the black jerseys. Maybe not so much black helmets, but I think black jerseys with green numbers with gold trim would be off da hook.
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I think part of it
is that there is a fine line between not being constrained by tradition and staying “true” to who/what you are.
I don’t necessarily have a strong opinion here either way – I think if done well black jerseys and even helmets could be very cool, but I understand why there are people vehemently against that idea as well.
I think that ND really has not ever been the “flashy” / “sexy” brand out there – and that’s ok. I think a lot of folks would perceive a black alternate as being one of those Oregon type moves that is trying to jump up and down and scream “hey I’m important look at me”. I think a lot of folks feel that ND has established themselves to a point that they don’t need to be over the top in that regard. I think there is also in a general sense that teams on the “cutting edge” today are generally on that edge in a way that is somewhere between questionable and deplorable in terms of ethics/cheating etc. – and there is some reasonable desire to distance ND as far as possible from those types of schools.
I think the frustration with the HARUMPH FULLBACKS crowd is mostly the perception among a subset of the ND fanbase that there is only one way to win at ND and that the only people who “get” ND graduated no later than 1996. It isn’t to say that tradition can’t be included as part of a reasonable argument it is just that you can’t put on giant blinders because of it – you should at least seriously consider change, but that doesn’t mean you have to make changes.
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Here's my deal
Just stay within the color schemes of Blue & Gold and Green & Gold.
There’s still plenty of different looks you can come up with with those two Notre Dame color schemes.
Why not a black jersey?
Because black for black’s sake is stupid. It’s not part of the school’s color scheme and it just feels incredibly forced. When both basketball teams wear black, I don’t think it necessarily looks bad, but it just doesn’t look or feel like a Notre Dame team.
I’m sure I could come up with a sweet looking black jersey too, but I just don’t think it’s necessary. It’s not 2001 when black is really that cool anymore anyway.
Black helmets would be—-probably the worst thing you could ever do. I’m all about changing things up from time to time within the school color schemes, but not wearing gold helmets is really just a bad idea.
However, I have advocated the team practicing in plain white helmets though. I think we should only see the famous gold during games. Kind of like you have to earn the gold helmet to dress for games.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I have to agree with this
Also the idea of needing to “earn” the helmets
Even the Pope hates the Trojans
Agree with you, E!
Let’s not get too crazy and forget our roots, just for the sake of trying something new. There are plenty of ways to make different jerseys and uniforms with our current color scheme.
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black jerseys would be awful
why does ND have to be like every other wannabe program out there and have a black jersey? Have some class.
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by lookingdeadred on Nov 8, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
How is this classless?
Wanting to look cool is classless? I just really don’t understand the correlation between wanting some cool jerseys and being classless. I understand people thinking they would LOOK awful, but when people think they would deteriorate the class of our fine institution, that’s just not a good reason to say no.
Black jersey argument aside, the sense of entitlement in this statement is amazing:
why does ND have to be like every other wannabe program out there…?
In case you haven’t noticed, those ‘wannabe programs’ (Oregon, OK ST, Stanford, WVU, Wisconsin…I could go on) are better than us. And have been for a long time. Drop the entitlement that ND is the be-all-end-all model program that everyone should be dying to live up to. There are plenty of football programs that have been run better for the past 20 years. I’m sick of people feeling entitled when we’re struggling as a program for this length of time.
/rant
[*Disclaimer because I think deadred is probably a nice guy and there’s a solid chance I internet-misread his comments to be something he didn’t intend. If that’s the case, this isn’t directed at him. But it still stands for a lot of people who cheer for ND]
You're both partly right
We shouldn’t have to be like every other program in the sense that we have to be pining for black jerseys.
But I don’t have a problem with switching up our uniforms every once in a while—-which plenty of other programs do as well.
I think it’s cool to switch things up with the uniforms.
But at the same time, I don’t think black jerseys would be cool. Maybe 10 years ago when the fad was in its infancy, but not now.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
ND in black jerseys is absurd
You want class? Wear your school colors and play well. Heck, black is not even a school color. My opinion on the green jerseys is well documented here but at least the green is sort of a school color, unlike black. And what is so cool about wearing black? How is copycatting what so many other programs are doing cool?
As for your sense of entitlement argument, it does not make sense.
In case you haven’t noticed, those ‘wannabe programs’ (Oregon, OK ST, Stanford, WVU, Wisconsin…I could go on) are better than us.
Plenty of successful programs do not follow along with the sheep and wear black jerseys (Bama, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, USC, to name a few), and they seem to be doing fine. To try and make some sort of correlation between black jerseys and having a successful program is nonsense.
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by lookingdeadred on Nov 9, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I stated earlier that the entitlement argument was unrelated to the black jersey thing.
Because yes, black jerseys on no planet equal a successful program. I’m aware of this. I was speaking more toward the ideal that ND is “what all programs should strive to be” — This thought should be dropped, IMO. We do most things the right way, but eschewing changes (that are still “the right way”) that may help us to be more successful because of tradition, or “we’re already doing everything awesomely” is an incorrect viewpoint at this stage of the program.
I think your definition of “class” is way different than my own — which is fine, I just wanted some more clarity on your statement, which you did give above. I appreciate that.
I would rather see a gold jersey than a black one...
…to stay within the scheme. Gold, green numbers with white trim. I would also not be opposed to seeing blue or green pants in the right combination depending on the jersey choice (white jersey/blue pants, gold jersey/blue pants, gold jersey/green pants).
I am not in favor of black helmets. The shamrock idea is cool (though the shamrock itself could use a little tweaking IMO), and I would not mind seeing the monogram in blue on a gold helmet on occasion as well.
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Ahhh, you brought up the gold jerseys!
I know what I said about the color scheme, but I would actually prefer a black jersey before a gold jersey. That’s just how horrible I think the gold jersey would look.
I rant and rave all the time—-the helmets should always get the bulk of the gold attention.
Wearing gold jerseys with gold helmets—-it just looks bad.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
For all of you pining for Black or Gold jersey, may I direct you toward this:

Why don’t we trot out in these…
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by jkra0512 on Nov 8, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well done
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by lookingdeadred on Nov 9, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
If they're wearing their standard green jerseys (which I like more than the ones from the UM game)
Then it’s the shamrock that’s the wrong shade of green, not the facemask. I don’t really like the helmets, but they’re not designed for me. They’re a marketing tool and a recruiting tool, and if they are at all successful in those respects (especially the latter), then I’m all for the concept.
Yes, the shamrock is still kelly green
But the rest of the green to be worn will be the darker hunter/forest green.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 7, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Ugly
I liked the helmets and uniforms used against Michigan. These helmets like atrocious. It wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for that awful gold coloring and texture….
I’m not traditionalist by any means, but they could have done a better job here.
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by jkra0512 on Nov 7, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We agree.
Internet high five, yo.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 7, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I would really like that helmet if it wasn't for the shamrock...
I don’t even really have a problem with the green facemask…
I do not DO NOT like that giant gaudy shamrock…
Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between a cloverleaf and a shamrock?
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I think a shamrock is a type or form of a clover.
But clovers are typically associated with four-leaf clovers and thus, good luck. Although there are a whole bunch of other clovers out there with different numbered leaves.
A shamrock is a three-leafed clover, the symbol of Ireland. The three leaves represent the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Notre Dame uses the shamrock and not the four-leaf clover.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 7, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I knew most of that...
Not sure why I even asked the question.
I guess I just started to call the shamrock on the helmet a clover and brain farted it out before really putting thought into it.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 7, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Helmets would look better...
with a smaller shamrock.
I think the inverse of the jerseys they wore vs. Michigan would be cool (at least they sound cool).
The green facemasks leave a bit to be desired. White would probably look better.
Other than that, I will have to see it all together before I pass judgment. If it gets the players and recruits excited, I am all for a bit of change now and again.
Gray facemasks really would have helped out
I would like to see green UTL jerseys too.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 7, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
The Shamrock would look better if it had the ND logo in the middle of it. Otherwise it needs to be smaller.
I differ.
For me this would be too busy.
by Mouth of the South on Nov 7, 2011 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree...
It already looks like some knock off helmet you would buy at Champs Sports. Adding a ND logo in the middle would make it look like much, much worse.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Not wholly opposed to the concept
But in this case the execution is definitely lacking. At least get all the green the same shade.
I thought the Michigan unis were nicely done. These not so much.
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uniform (adj):
Not changing in form or character; remaining the same in all cases and at all times.
by long time listener on Nov 7, 2011 9:31 PM EST reply actions
So keep these helmets all the time!?!!?
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 7, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Uniform (noun):
Clothing worn as part of a team or organization.
Seriously, this “never change” stuff is ridiculous. You don’t like this particular version, fine, but would you have wanted us to keep leather helmets when everyone else went to hard helmets? Come on.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
The weird brushed pattern on the gold
It looks like the stuff you see on the inside of an elevator or on kitchen appliances…just no. seriously nd your just trying to hard now.
I think that pattern is on the inside of my building's elevator...nice catch!
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It looks like its machined metal...
which I think looks badass.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Can I just say...[off-topic]
That it is nice to see some fresh blood around these parts! I was getting sick of seeing KG all the time ;)
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You and me both, brother.
He’s always all “look at me, I know Japanese, I’m so awesome and your so dum.” And I’m all like “whatever dude; whatever.”
by Mouth of the South on Nov 7, 2011 11:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes sir!
Luckily, he takes the hint and this “problem” can “work itself out” IF YOU KNOW WHHHHAAAAAT I MEAN!
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Oh good...
Maybe you could locate Tommy Rees’ talent, it’s been missing for a few weeks now.
Do you really have access to UAV’s? That’s badass!!!
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Not even the latest UAV's have sensors that good.
Directing UAV’s in Western Afghanistan was 30% of my job while over there. The other 70% was restraining myself and not killing one of our Italian “allies”.
Also, isn’t it past everyone’s bed time? This is my time to read and make comments with no responses as a way to procrastinate and not write my thesis. Then in the morning I read Mouth’s snarky responses. It’s the way things work.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
........

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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
...

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What is this I don't even...
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
This was excellent. Kurosawa?
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by Mouth of the South on Nov 8, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. I think it's from Sanjuro, but not entirely positive.
It’s one of the wandering ronin series with Toshiro Mifune.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
He needs to get his prostate checked out...
He’s urinating at weird times, but at least he doesn’t have a weak stream…
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Just sayin'...
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I must differ with the E on most counts.
I’m probably in the minority, but I like the helmets. Love the hunter green face masks, but they should have matched up the facemask and shamrock.
The pattern on the gold does rather look like what you see in elevators, but college dude, whatever.
And Willingham forever ruined Kelly green. I love the hunter green unis with gold lettering. Very classy.
Finally the sponsorship. If we want to stay independent AND keep up with the big boys, we may need to find new revenue sources. That Sprint is sponsoring a new uniform design just doesn’t bother me. Just keep their name off of and out of the stadium.
I’m anxious to see what the unis look like on. Maybe I’ll hate them, but as of now I like the helmets.
by Mouth of the South on Nov 7, 2011 11:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
...and then ND Nation exploded
Well I think the helmet looks awful, with the oversize shamrock, dark green facemask, and weird metal-looking texture, but In general I like the idea of the Shamrock Series (although I could live without it being sponsored Sprint). The neutral site games are pretty much intended put on a show and get exposure in areas we don’t often play in, so if you’re going to go with something besides the standard unis, might as well use them there; that way it’s planned (and the start of a ‘tradition’ I might add HARUMPH), rather than something more last minute and gimmicky. The funny thing is, that for all the hell the MANBALL part of the fanbase is going to raise about this, it’s the spiritual successor to what Rockne spent much of the 1920s doing. At that point, ND had name recognition in the East due to the series with Army during Harper’s tenure and had been traveling to play Texas, Penn State, etc., but we were still pretty much a small Midwestern Catholic school. Rockne’s barnstorming strategy and his genius for promotion, a direct result of which is the USC series, really transformed the place into a national university, which I’d argue is one of the reasons our football program didn’t wind up like Fordham’s. Did taking the students on the long trip to southern Californian every other year taint the university’s mission? How about taking pictures of your starting backfield mounted on horses? Gimmicky? How about using the dying words of your tailback to motivate the team? If he was here today, Rockne would probably be locked in an arms race with Oregon and would be converting the side of the library into one giant video board.
I’m glad the athletic department is embracing the exhibition aspect of the neutral site games. They really should be used to show off the program and the university for people (and recruits) that might not be able to make it to South Bend (never the most accessible place on game weekends), and to generate some buzz around the program, because we honestly need it to tide us over until the program is finally rebuilt and can get back in the national title picture.
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by Publius2010 on Nov 7, 2011 11:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Truer words never spoken...
The funny thing is, that for all the hell the MANBALL part of the fanbase is going to raise about this, it’s the spiritual successor to what Rockne spent much of the 1920s doing. At that point, ND had name recognition in the East due to the series with Army during Harper’s tenure and had been traveling to play Texas, Penn State, etc., but we were still pretty much a small Midwestern Catholic school. Rockne’s barnstorming strategy and his genius for promotion, a direct result of which is the USC series, really transformed the place into a national university, which I’d argue is one of the reasons our football program didn’t wind up like Fordham’s. Did taking the students on the long trip to southern Californian every other year taint the university’s mission? How about taking pictures of your starting backfield mounted on horses? Gimmicky? How about using the dying words of your tailback to motivate the team? If he was here today, Rockne would probably be locked in an arms race with Oregon and would be converting the side of the library into one giant video board.
Seriously, bravo. I’ve said before that Rockne never met a promotion scheme he didn’t like.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
I like it
I can see why other people don’t, but I think it’s kind of cool.
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The biggest mistake—-green facemasks. As much as people will point to other aspects, this is truly the biggest slap in the face of tradition. Notre Dame has worn nothing but gray facemasks, and the worst part is the green doesn’t even match the shamrock.

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Yes, gray facemasks are a tradition at Notre Dame
They might be a small one, but they are one nonetheless.
Remember how some people were upset that the UTL helmets broke the record for most years played with the same helmet? Even a change of the facemask color would have broke that streak.
So, from a uniform historian such as myself—-changing the facemasks is kind of a big deal.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I can dig it...
I love anything that gets the “Rabble Rabble Harumph Fullbacks Down In Front” crowd into a tizzy.
by Burn That Bridge on Nov 8, 2011 12:48 AM EST reply actions
NEWSFLASH:
WR’s to wear garter belts, O-lineman to wear hotpants.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
I just read every comment.
In the process I came full circle to the original reaction that I had when I first saw the Tweet this afternoon from Grooms.
Just win baby.
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I don’t mind wearing green jerseys from time to time. I don’t mind putting a shamrock on the helmet from time to time. And I don’t care one bit that there’s a corporate sponsor involved with this. But that helmet…does not look good. I’ll save my final judgement for when they finally play in these things, but at first blush I don’t like that splattered gold look at all. I was really starting to like these shiny gold helmets, and I wonder why they couldn’t just put a shamrock on that. And a small shamrock, too. I’m with everyone else in that that shamrock is way too big.
I do enjoy tweaking the so-called traditionalists, and if Swarbrick is doing this stuff simply for that purpose, bravo for him. I’ve got no problem with coming up with different helmets and jerseys for these barnstorming games. But I don’t think I like that helmet.
Plaid Jerseys.
You heard it here first.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 2:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Spectacularly bad look
it looks as if they are trying to look as ridiculous as Maryland
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That's funny, because having seen both pictures and slept on it
I actually like it less.
by Mouth of the South on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
what's to like? ... unbelievably tacky
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by lookingdeadred on Nov 9, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I like it more...
Just opens it up more…and accentuates the gold and green
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Thank you
Same goes for having white numbers on the green jerseys.
Just opens it up more.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I am by no means an internet detective, but I am fairly certain that is shopped.
Nevertheless, I do think it is an improvement.
by Dave in the basement on Nov 8, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong again
I got my hands on one of the new helmets, stole a gray facemask, took off the green one, put this new one, and went back into the stadium and took this picture.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
This looks shopped

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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Lighter Blue Jerseys
What about lightening up the jerseys to make them closer to the true school colors? Might be interesting for the Shamrock Series…
I think it's something we may see in the future, yes
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
POWDER BLUES!!!
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by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
It's been done.
Ask Gerry Faust how that went.

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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I wish I had seen these in person
It’s definitely a lighter shade of blue, but doesn’t seem to be the Madonna blue like this year’s The Shirt.
For the record, I’d rather wear these than black jerseys.
Any. Day.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I can see what a uni junkie you are
but whatever rush you might have gotten seeing the Faust blue jerseys would have been offset by the poor quality of the play of the team.
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by lookingdeadred on Nov 9, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Judge not, the performance in uniforms
But the uniforms themselves.
There are plenty of shitty football teams out there with sweet ass uniforms.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 9, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
The Faust unis were unattractive and unsuccessful
no reason to wax nostalgic over them.
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by lookingdeadred on Nov 9, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
They aren't a supermodel
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 9, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Kent State?
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Kent's blue is still pretty dark

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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
bring back Faust blue
relive the good ol’ days
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by lookingdeadred on Nov 9, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Kingpin, anyone?
Does anyone else think the helmets look like a bowling ball that Kingpin would have used?
Hopefully they will look better from a distance. The gold checkerboard pattern seems odd to me, and the green facemask doesn’t do it for me. Of course if we win in them, I am sure they will grow on me quite a bit!
by Dave in the basement on Nov 8, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions
Bowling ball reference is crucial
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
One of the greatest posts ever on NDN:
I’m no veteran of this site so take my thoughts as you will. There is so much discussion and emotion over the changes to the football program, both big and small as well as real and potential. There are a lot of posts attempting to encapsulate and re-frame the arguments, and to that end mine is not unique. But here goes:
I’m a relatively recent graduate (2005) so I do not have (nor do I claim to have) the experience or historical perspective that many here do. I was five when ND last hoisted a trophy and 10 when Glenn Foley broke my heart. I mention this because that is the closest I’ve come to experiencing a dominant ND football team in my lifetime. To the many of you who lived through and were close to any number of dominant eras, I understand that our relationships to this team likely look and feel very different. How you see Notre Dame football and what makes it unique, important and special to you was crafted under an entirely different set of circumstances, one that I can vaguely picture but barely touch. I understand that you may value any number of characteristics of this program very highly due to their association with the greatness you experienced. So since I cannot step into so many of your shoes, let me tell you what I value as the most important and unique characteristic of Note Dame football:
Winning the right way.
To me, that means that following:
1. We don’t cheat.
2. We don’t tolerate a criminal culture.
3. We design and enforce an environment of academic accountability.
4. We graduate players at nationally-leading rates.
In a nutshell, we don’t break NCAA rules, we don’t house criminals, players go to class and they graduate with a real education. And we do all of this while maintaining a championship-caliber team.
That’s it. Strangely, it’s very simple. It’s not easy, but it’s simple. And here is the best part: If we do that, we will ALWAYS be unique no matter what else happens to the program. However, this is where I believe the disconnect occurs.
Jumbotrons, music, turf, new helmets, alternate uniforms…the pros and cons are all a matter of taste. A matter of preference. There is a strong sentiment that the additions and/or modifications of any of these things (a) marginalizes our uniqueness and (b) indicates a shift from leader to follower. I understand the logic, but I disagree with the conclusion.
Regarding the things in the previous paragraph, their exclusion does offer some uniqueness to Notre Dame. But it is peripheral uniqueness. A lack of a jumbotron and piped-in music does not makes Notre Dame football unique. It makes the gamewatch experience unique (or less common). Unchanging, classic uniforms doesn’t make us unique. It makes us more like certain schools and less like other schools.
If we make these changes, we aren’t followers. If we wear different uniforms, it doesn’t mean we are like Oregon. It means we do something that Oregon and other schools do. If we put in a jumbotron, it doesn’t mean we are like Texas, it means we now have something that Texas and many other schools have too. If we blast music in the stadium, it doesn’t mean we are like Michigan…you get the point I’m trying to make.
I’m not advocating for any of these changes. And not because I want to be diplomatic, but because I honestly don’t know how I feel yet. I think a jumbotron could be cool, but I also fear it would spoil some of what I love about attending home games. I think blasting music can be an advantage and can pump up the crowd, but its implementation can be butchered quite easily. I think different uniforms are cool and if the players like them, then even better. But obviously I, like everyone else, have subjective taste.
But here’s the point. I don’t believe that any of these things compromise Notre Dame football where it matters. If they make us more similar to other programs, it’s only in a superficial way. I would definitely prefer Notre Dame to be a leader in the world of college football. I would hope that people smarter, savvier and more creative than I am are the ones running the ship. I would love for those in charge to come up with visionary ideas and ways to both stay ahead of the curve and be the envy of the rest of the sport. I also believe that many of the advantages ND once had that kept it ahead of the curve have disappeared. Namely, we’ve failed to deliver a winning product. But other factors like our once-special TV contract are no longer powerful tools. The field has caught up to us, partially due to our own missteps but also partially due to the natural evolution of the sport.
Prioritize the potential changes and their impact on what makes Notre Dame unique. Ask yourself what really matters to the program and what you could never stand to give up. Everything outside of that list should become negotiable. It should be viewed in the context of advantage or disadvantage, not personal preference. For me, what matters are those four factors I listed above. Beyond that, I believe that we are in no position to reject potential advantages based on personal tastes. I am willing to consider all available options and assess their utility towards the ultimate goal of winning a championship while realizing that some may not be my thing.
Many reject the implementation of these types of changes on the basis that they are being grossly mis-prioritized and, to an end, are inconsequential if we take care of the "big" issues. I wholeheartedly agree with the first part and disagree with the second. Surely, a jumbotron and field turf are way, way down the totem pole when compared to making the right hires and properly supporting the program from the top down. We’ve screwed up the latter for longer than anyone cares to admit. But I think the sentiment that the right coach is all we need is shortsighted and has roots in a bygone era where Notre Dame had less competition. It is by far the most important factor in our success, but we are foolish (and arrogant) to think that we can still leave money on the table in other areas. Great coaches don’t always win and bad ones occasionally do. Stoops hasn’t won in over a decade. Carroll’s “dominance” netted 1.5 championships even with the aid of a notoriously dirty program. Lou got his one in ’88 and then never again. God, Les Miles has one and might very well be on his way to a second.
We need to take care of the big things and that is obvious. But beyond that, there may be a collection of little things that gives us little advantages. And these things may seem tacky or look ugly to you. But if they help, you might consider whether or not their exclusion is worth fighting for.
This may look like the trite argument of “I don’t care if we wear dresses and play on the moon as long as we win.” But that’s not what I’m trying to say. I’m trying to say that implementing changes that may or may not be advantages and may or may not offend your sensibilities does not marginalize what is unique AND important about Notre Dame football.
To me, winning the right way is what is unique and important about our program and it gives us so much. It allows us to set the standard and be the bar against which others are measured. It allows us to do many of the same things other schools do, but still stand out. It allows us to be the best, and that is the best kind of unique to be.
A tip of the cap to you, sir. Great stuff.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 8, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
How long was this up before the board mafia over there took it down and banned the guy for being reasonable?
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 8, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
It's actually got a number of positive responses
Of course El Kabong & HTown still try to challenge it in some form—-but you can see their arguments are cracking against such a great post as above.
Per usual, ACross left just one comment berating another poster…
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by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 9, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Fantastic
That’s the kind of viewpoint I think people should take. At the end of the day, Field Turf, jumbotrons, alternate uniforms – those are all superficial changes. They don’t change what Notre Dame is all about. We’re not talking about grayshirting players, oversigning, or shuffling players through “General Studies” degree tracks. Wearing a new helmets doesn’t change what I love about ND.
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