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Notre Dame Football Recruiting 101 – A Blueprint for the Future

The boys here at OFD have asked me to join the crew and take on the role of resident football recruiting guy. By no stretch of the imagination do I consider myself an "expert" in the field, but like most fans, I do follow the incoming class and dream of what the coaching staff can do with the talent they assemble every February.

Since I have been tasked with following this ever-changing aspect to the Irish football program, I thought it might be best to start at the beginning. And by beginning, I mean an opinion-filled discourse on what I would do if recruiting were up to me. I think this is an important first step, since my analysis will be based on the perceived needs in the program.

While I am sure Brian Kelly and his staff have their own approach on how to fill this magical 85 on an annual basis, here is how I would approach the task if I were anywhere near qualified to do so:

The Ground Rules:

Target 20 players/year with five 5th year seniors annually to get to the 85 limit. Obviously, the staff will have to fill in the occasional extra player or two each year based on attrition (transfers, early NFL draft enrollees, injuries).

More after the jump.

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The Five Step Strategy:

Step 1: Minimally, you need to be three deep at any one position. Given you have 11 on offense and 11 on defense, which makes for 66 scholarships right off the bat. Here is a breakdown:

Offensive Line (15): 15 OL

Offensive Skill (18): 3 QB, 3 RB, 3 TE, 9 WR

Defensive Line (9): 6 DE, 3 NG

Linebackers (12): 6 OLB, 6 ILB

Secondary (12): 6 CB, 6 S

This only tells part of the story. Within many positions, you need different skill sets from each player. Take WR as an example. You have three positions that are not exactly interchangeable. Same goes for the LB corps. For the sake of brevity, I won't get into all the particulars here.

Running Total: 66

Step 2: Add additional depth at the offensive skill positions.

Here are positions that require an additional player: QB, 2 RB, TE, WR.

Running Total: 71

Step 3: Add additional depth on the defense.

The NG/NT position is a tough one to fill for the 3-4 defense at the college level, and freshman are rarely able to step in and contribute right away. Also, OLBs that fit the scheme are difficult to find, so you recruit the ones you can when you can. The addition of a couple of DBs and another DE won't hurt either.

Here are the positions for additional depth: NG, OLB, DE, DB

Running Total: 75

Step 4: Special Teams. Ideally you need at least two place kickers and two punters on scholarship at a time in case of injury. If you can recruit a player who does both, that saves a scholarship-but let's assume that is the exception and not the rule. Add a scholarship for a long snapper (once the exception, now the rule).

Positions: 2 K, 2 P, 1 LS

Running Total: 80

As you can see, we only have 5 scholarships remaining.

Step 5: Instead of reserving scholarships for particular positions, I would call the remaining five available the "coaches choice." These are for the difference makers, the 5 star athletes that don't come along that often. If you can land one a year of the truly elite players (the Floyds and T'eos of the world) then you are doing pretty well as a recruiter.

Running Total: 85

There, we finally have arrived at the NCAA limit for football scholarships. Just to review, here are the numbers at each position:

Offensive Line (15): 15 OL

Offensive Skill (23): 4 QB, 5 RB, 4 TE, 10 WR

Defensive Line (11): 7 DE, 4 NG

Linebackers (13): 7 OLB, 6 ILB

Secondary (13): 6 CB, 6 S, 1 DB (non-specific, depending on talent available)

Special Teams (5): 2 K, 2 P,1 LS

Difference Makers (5)

Assuming that KLM, Slaughter, Cave, Cwynar and Golic are all back for 5th years, here are the current numbers (based on current positions and commitments):

Position (Target Number):

Offensive Line (15): 14 OL

Offensive Skill (23): 3 QB, 5 RB, 4 TE, 10 WR

Defensive Line (11): 6 DE, 5 NG (I have Day at NG, not DE)

Linebackers (13): 6 OLB, 8 ILB

Secondary (13): 6 CB, 7 S

Special Teams (5): 2 K, 1 P, 2 LS

Based on all of my assumptions, there are 6 scholarships left for 2012 and a few obvious needs, namely OL, QB, and DE. The other 3 scholarships should be focused on the "difference makers" and based on the small 2012 senior class (15), it wouldn't surprise me to see Kelly & staff bring back a few more 5th year seniors to help bolster the recruiting efforts in 2013 if they miss on some of the targeted talent.

Next week, I will break down the targeted recruits at the positions of need and start to review the commits (by position) that will sign in February.

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Assuming we hang on to Darby & Sheppard, do you think OLB should be a heavy targeted area this year and next?

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Nov 30, 2011 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

OLB is a must every year

Simply b/c of the way the 3-4 is designed. They missed on Noor Davis when he committed to Stanford in the spring/early summer. Odengibo should be high on the list, but with Urban in at OSU, he could be slipping away. Haven’t looked much into the 2013 class yet, but if they only bring in Okwara, then they will have to really address it in the next class.

by Jim Miesle on Nov 30, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

All those numbers are nice and I am sure you put in alot of work BUT this recruiting class will evolve around getting:

Gunner Kiel to South Bend. He is the best QB in the nation and he is from Indiana. If Coach Kelly and staff can land him, I think you will see a few other big names jump on the Irish Express. Ronald Darby is also key, we have not had anyone with his speed in a very long time. I think that Darby will upgrade our return game as soon as he steps on the field. I am disgusted every single time this defense pends the opposing offense back deep and forces them to punt to someone who is as slow as Goodman. It cripples the team. This is Notre Dame, and you mean to tell me with all the 4-5 star players at the skill positions, there is no one who can return punts. That is such “BS”

It appears that Tee Shepherd and Greenberry are joined at the hip and hopefully they come early and play in the spring. I love both of them because they can and will play early. Shepherd might be better at FS but can play anywhere in the secondary. Greenberry and Ferguson are two excellent ATH with big time potential.

Coach Kelly has to close this recruiting class with some fireworks because there will be alot of kids with little or no PT who will be counted on early and often next year.

Kenneth Lewis Moore

by lightskin350 on Nov 30, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

I disgree about Gunner Kiel...

At this point, Gunner (awesome name for a QB, no?) would be icing. It wasn’t too long ago that he was ready to go to Indiana, and because of this, BK and ND moved on. I’m sure ND fans were ready for the prospect of not signing a QB this recruiting cycle and moving forward with Rees, Hendrix and Golson…to the dismay of many. I’m all for signing Gunner Kiel, but I don’t think just because he signs that other recruits all of the sudden jump aboard, to me, that’s being a tad optimistic. I would definitely jump up and down in excitement if it happened, although it seems unlikely.

As for Darby and the punting situation, Goodman is not the problem with punt returns. I would ask Goodman to fair catch it every time too when he has two or three players surrounding him. The problem is punt return blocking, it’s awful. BK said throughout the season that this phase of the game will be revisited during the offseason, but in the mean time he is going to stick someone back there who can secure the catch and Goodman did a good job of that. It’s unfair to place all of the blame on Goodman because he had NOBODY blocking for him.

"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South

by jkra0512 on Nov 30, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I generally agree about the punt return team.

But Goodman had a few opportunities, and he he did nothing but lose yardage. He didn’t have many chances at a return, but when he did, he ran laterally and backwards. He’s just not a punt returner. I would disagree that the punt return team “crippled” us. Our offense was doing pretty well for most of the season, so not getting punt returns was just not a huge deal. If we need to sacrifice a little on punt returns to get our O-line playing well, I don’t have a problem with that.

I think Kiel would be huge, not because we need a QB—I think we actually don’t, with Heinrichs and Kelso—but because he’s a bona fide, big name, 5-star recruit. I don’t think we have another one in this recruiting class—I think only Scout has given Darby a 5th star. It’s just good for publicity, it’s good for bringing in other big time recruits. Last year we had Lynch, with Wood, Te’o, and Floyd, in the years preceding Lynch. We really need to start getting two or three of these guys in every class, but hopefully that will come with more success.

by Mouth of the South on Nov 30, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I know Goodman had his chances and failed...

but, he could never have any confidence in getting a return going. And I imagine after awhile the coaching staff was just like, “Hey, just fair catch it and live to fight another day.” The blocking was atrocious and when you have no one helping you out I can see why that phase of the game failed. That being said, I agree that Goodman is NOT a punt returner. But sadly, he was probably ND’s best option in the short term.

Kiel would be huge for the program from a high-profile recruiting standpoint. But, to suggest that he would help others jump aboard ND, is a bit too optimistic. He certainly wouldn’t hurt the chances of other highly coveted recruits from signing, but he alone wouldn’t help suddenly make up their minds. I agree that ND needs to start reeling these five-star players in, but I think that comes with winning and getting to more BCS bowls.

My prediction is that the next three years will be absolutely huge for ND as they will start getting into BCS games and pulling in these blue chip recruits. Heck, they are doing it now on name recognition, educational opportunities and a few wins here and there. Just imagine the recruiting explosion when they start making BCS bowls again on regular basis!

"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South

by jkra0512 on Nov 30, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but how does Gunner Kiel feel about coaches yelling at him?

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 30, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Kiel would be a great fit for BK's system

He has the right skill set—accuracy, arm strength (though the services are split, he definitely can make all the throws) and is mobile. I don’t think you can make/break this class, but Kiel would really help solidify it. Many thought that his verbal to IU would really help bring in recruits (it didn’t), so its hard to say how much of an impact this would really have. He will be an early enrollee and is playing in the USAAA Bowl, so he can get in some ears in San Antoino.

Right now, I think ND is a slight favorite, but only time will tell.

by Jim Miesle on Nov 30, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Kiel is not a must, but he would be a great bonus get

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by lookingdeadred on Dec 1, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Completely agree, deadred

"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South

by jkra0512 on Dec 1, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Things could

get a little crazy in recruiting in the next couple months. The last few months there’s been ten or so guys being talked about(K.Marshall, Nelson Agholor, Zack Banner etc..) All of a sudden there seems to way more guys back in or new to the picture. (Rios, Neal, Redmond and more)I don’t know how many kids we’re leading with but, we’re in on a lot.

by tlndma on Nov 30, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

Eh, it's like that every year, I think...

Sometimes, I think these recruits use Notre Dame (and other high-profile programs) as leverage…

"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South

by jkra0512 on Nov 30, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Leverage for a bigger payout?

bong-bong, bong-bong Auburn arriving

Ford you're turning into a penguin, stop it.

by Cranked_Irish on Nov 30, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You got it!

Was it Ole Miss or Mississippi St. that was originally trying to buy Cam Newton’s services, allegedly?

"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South

by jkra0512 on Nov 30, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Solicited for his services, not "trying to buy"

A rep from Cam’s family who had Miss St. connections allegedly went to the coaching staff and asked them for money in return for a commitment. That’s what makes it so fishy with Auburn, is that Miss State didn’t bite…but did Auburn? We may never know.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 30, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad wording, my bad...

"Although I really thought that you were 'Anti Internet-Tough-Guy.' But no, you’re a tough guy who’s against the internets? I see." Mouth of the South

by jkra0512 on Nov 30, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Tangential topic

Washington State will no longer be recruiting football players with fat little girlfriends. Leech to Wazzu.

KG gets part of his wish, Kiffin v. Leech every other year….maybe

Ford you're turning into a penguin, stop it.

by Cranked_Irish on Nov 30, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

It's not UCLA, but I'll take it.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 30, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Good job Jim

It would be interesting to look back on the past 5-10 years to see how well (poorly) previous regimes filled holes. With Willingham and the O-line, Weis and the D-line (at least that’s what it seemed), depth I felt was a very big issue – we seemed thin at some important positions.

Kelly seems to be doing a nice job filling those holes (D-line, QB, DBs) he inherited coming in and picked up some elite players on the way.

by Irishane on Nov 30, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

Agree.

Kelly does seem to be doing a very good job of preventing that exact thing. The way Jim broke this down it makes it much easier to see that from a big picture perspective.

by whiskey OFD on Nov 30, 2011 6:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Kelly

so far has found guys who seem to thrive on competition. That team last Saturday never gave up. Have you noticed how many of his young guys play right away on special teams and many of the older guys don’t.

by tlndma on Nov 30, 2011 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

It is great to see the young guys out on special teams,

but isn’t that how a lot of coaches use ST? As a sort of proving ground for players who need game experience but aren’t disciplined enough yet to play on O or D – “show your will before you’ve got the skill”?

by fishoutofwater on Nov 30, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It's always the younger guys on special teams--that's not anything remarkable.

freshman and sophomores who aren’t starting generally play ST because they have enough raw talent to make plays, but don’t understand the offense or defense enough to play full time. Coaches put them on ST to take advantage of that talent without putting them at risk to make bad plays. Of course they “get after it”, because it’s the one shot they have to get on the field and show something. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Nov 30, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's quite evident on this team,

that it’s Kelly’s guys making the plays on Special teams.

by tlndma on Dec 1, 2011 5:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Because he's the one who recruited the young guys...

…and young guys play on special teams. I don’t think it’s anything Kelly magically did. If you’re a senior and you’re only playing on kick off coverage, there’s a reason. You’re not good. And therefore, the young studs trying to show something in their only chance are going to outplay you. This has nothing to do with Kelly’s recruits vs. Weis’s recruits and everything to do with “has a reason to perform” vs. “not like I’m gonna get any more playing time anyways”.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 1, 2011 5:46 AM EST up reply actions  

You 're making my point.

It’s everything to do with the players Kelly brought in. 3stars out performing 4&5 stars. My point was Kelly has an eye for competitors, the young specialteamers being one example.

by tlndma on Dec 1, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

No, no, no...

He’s challenging your point. The young guys on ST are the future starters, as always on any team, Kelly’s recruits or Weis’s or anybody else’s. The older guys on ST are the ones who didn’t make it into the 2-deep on O or D, so on ST, where raw talent can shine without great discipline or technique, the young guys are going to play better than the older guys, always. Think Bennett Jackson and Austin Collinsworth last year (and AC, this year). They were brilliant on ST, but not because they were Kelly recruits (they weren’t) – because they were the young, energetic, ready-to-prove-themselves playmakers who will next year start at DB.

Kelly may have an eye for competitors (e.g., Troy Niklas on ST this year and, of course, later in the season, at OLB and on the D-line). The young guys rocking it on ST are not a good example of that.

by fishoutofwater on Dec 1, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Fire Kelly now and in 2 years we'll be saying

“[New Coach’s] guys are really getting after it on special teams! They’re so much better than Kelly’s guys! Well now we see why Kelly wasn’t working out!”

It’s a false conclusion.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 1, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Austin Collinsworth

was absolutely Kelly’s recruit.
“Kelly may have an eye for competitors. The young guys rocking it on ST are not a good example of that.” …I disagree, I think they are a fine example of that. This is two years in a row, where his kids are the standouts on special teams. You guys want to attribute it to youth, I don’t think that’s the reason.

by tlndma on Dec 2, 2011 6:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget senior Steve Filer

had been one of the most consistent special teams players the last couple of years before being injured.

by waydomer on Dec 1, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

4 years from now it'll be the same thing, and that has nothing to do with them being "Kelly's guys"

It’s a function of being young and good vs. old and realizing you’re not as good as everyone thought.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 1, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a sad place to occupy.

Well hello there hangover. Fancy meeting you here this bright Thursday morning.

by Cranked_Irish on Dec 1, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Better at a place like ND, where you at least get a worthwhile degree

than Alabama, where you’ve been cut by year 2 and are out on your ear.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Dec 1, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

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