Notre Dame vs. Air Force Recap: Irish Bludgeon Falcons with Dynamic Offense
There are a few ways to handle a flexbone option offense in football, and one of those ways is to simply pile points on that team's defense.
Notre Dame put on a clinic Saturday on how to bury a military academy with touchdown after touchdown every time they touched the ball in the first half.
It wasn't all pretty as the Irish surrendered 565 yards of total offense to Air Force (a Brian Kelly era-record---and 127 more yards than surrendered in a loss to Navy last year), but they head into the bye week with a four-game winning streak after a comfortable victory over the Falcons.
Unit grades and further analysis after the jump.
Offensive Line: A+
This line has been exceptional this year and has strung together some impressive football in recent weeks. Back-to-back weeks of 250+ rushing yards and no sacks is about as good as you're going to get at this level.
One of my big fears was that we'd see the smaller and quicker Air Force defenders beat the Irish linemen around the edge or squeak through small gaps on blitzes. That did not happen.
At times, it almost looked too easy for the Irish offensive line.
Tight End: B
Tyler Eifert continues to impress with another big day receiving, finishing with 8 catches for 81 yards and a touchdown. If we include a bowl game, Eifert is on pace for around 60 receptions and 800 yards---that's an elite level of production for a tight end.
True sophomore Alex Welch had a bit of a rough game missing on some blocks and letting a nice pass for a big pickup slip through his hands. That dropped this unit's grade a little bit.
Wide Receiver: B+
With all of the offense in this game it felt like the receivers had a big day, but the box score was pretty tame for these players in relation to the points and yards piled up.
Michael Floyd had a somewhat quiet day for him (6 catches, 78 yards, 1 touchdown) and TJ Jones was limited to one long 23-yard catch.
However, this was the breakout game for Theo Riddick who was finally one of the focal points of the offense and ended the day with an impressive 8 receptions, 83 yards, one touchdown, to go along with a nice 14-yard run.
I'm not sure why it took 6 games to finally get Riddick going, but let's hope it continues because if he's this dangerous the offense as a whole might be unstoppable.
This unit's grade is boosted by a nice touchdown catch by Robby Toma, while John Goodman chipped in one 8-yard catch as well---but this was a perfect example of Floyd-Riddick-Eifert being the team's big go-to guys in the passing game.
Running Back: A-
I felt like this was a frustrating game for the running backs, with only 17 total carries split between Cierre Wood and Jonas Gray. I can imagine they would have been frustrated a little bit too, knowing that if they received more carries they could have put up some really big numbers and kept the Air Force offense off the field.
Nevertheless, Wood and especially Gray played well whenever they were called upon.
I thought Wood danced around a little too much and didn't run downhill enough though, but Gray continues to run like a man possessed, finishing with his first 2-touchdown day of his career.
On his current pace, Gray should finish just over 100 carries on the season which is a good amount for a backup, yet through 6 games he's averaging an insane 8.4 yards per carry. At this pace, Gray will surpass the Notre Dame record for a season set by George Gipp in 1920 who ran for 827 yards on 102 carries (8.1 average).
Elsewhere, the backups finally got a little bit of action which was nice to see. Cam McDaniel was bottled up on one carry, but ripped off another nice run that showed his potential in this offense.
George Atkinson got a couple runs and punched in a touchdown for his first career rushing touchdown too. Atkinson is an odd player to me as he doesn't seem like a running back or a wide receiver. I'm very curious to see where he ends up playing as an upperclassman.
Quarterback: A
Preface this with the fact that the Air Force's defense had no chance at stopping the Irish offense, but this was Tommy Rees' finest game in a Notre Dame uniform. He continues to remain under control as the leader of the offense and 72% completions with 261 yards and 4 touchdowns is simply surgical.
He was helped by excellent protection throughout the game, but Rees did a great job taking the underneath routes, the short throws, and keeping things simple. Best of all, Rees didn't turn the ball over and had nary a bad, dangerous, or foolish pass attempt (except maybe the throw preceding Riddick's touchdown.)
Rees played wonderful (and is now over a 2:1 TD-INT ratio this season), but what a debut by sophomore Andrew Hendrix!
I'm not going to lie, I've been pining for Hendrix to see the field for a very long time, and I was fairly impressed with what he was able to do in his first career action. Yes, it was Air Force but in just a short glimpse we were able to see how much the youngster can open up the offense.
Hendrix was 4 for 4 on short pass attempts, showing off his quick release and very strong arm---while also leading the team with 111 rushing yards on just six carries, buoyed by his 78-yard almost touchdown late in the game.
I'm excited to see more of what Hendrix has to offer.
Defense: C++
Due to the maddening nature of the triple option, flexbone, throwing more than you think, Air Force offense, I have decided to forego unit grades for the Irish defense and give that whole side of the ball one overall grade.
While watching the game live I was disgruntled with the defense---yeah disgruntled is a good word. I thought we would put in a better effort, and while I certainly wasn't upset with the defense, there wasn't a whole lot to like.
Now with that said, I would admit that the Air Force offense and its propensity to throw the ball, really makes it hard on any defense to control its run game. Notre Dame also didn't do itself any favors by marching up and down the field and scoring touchdowns within a few minutes and giving the ball right back to the Falcons.
I'd also agree with Brian Kelly in that the yards given up really don't matter against an academy team, but it's all about the points. 19 points surrendered with a 30 point lead is very serviceable with 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter.
I was a little puzzled with the lack of push that the defensive line was getting, especially on shotgun passing downs, but it seemed like controlling the gaps was a major focus for the defense. As a result, Notre Dame was fairly effective in slowing down Air Force's running game in between the tackles---and this is a big positive to take away from the game.
Manti Te'o had a very strong game once again, despite being a little hobbled by an ankle injury suffered in practice on Wednesday. Darius Fleming also had a strong game and was singled out by Kelly in his post-game comments.
This Air Force offense really put a lot of stress on the Irish secondary, especially the safeties, and overall they had a decent game.
Both safeties in Smith and Motta made their fair share of mistakes and lost contain or whiffed on tackles, but they were also very steady at other times. Harrison Smith in particular made a couple really big stops.
I thought the trio of Gray-Blanton-Slaughter really played some of their best football of the season. They were far from perfect, but they all seemed to settle down and make some huge plays that kept Air Force buried and out of the game for good.
After re-watching the game, I felt the defense played a lot better than I originally thought---but they still left a lot to be desired.
I went back and kept track of what Air Force was able to gain on two plays we'll see heavily from Navy in the option pitch, and fullback dive, and what I found was interesting.
Before Notre Dame's backups were in the game, Air Force ran 12 plays in which quarterback Tim Jefferson ran some sort of play where he went to either side (sometimes faking to the fullback) and pitched the ball to the running back. On those 12 plays the Falcons gained 106 yards for a very impressive 8.8 yards per rush.
That's not very good defense, but again, you could tell Notre Dame was playing with its safeties deep to protect against any long passes from Jefferson and corralling the triple option wasn't a huge priority for the Irish. That may sound bad, but you have to pick your poison with this Air Force offense because Jefferson is too much of a passing threat to sell out on the pitch plays on the edge like Notre Dame likely will against Navy.
Conversely, Notre Dame did make a stronger effort to stop the fullback dive which was a play that killed the Irish against Navy last year. Air Force once again gave the ball to the fullback 12 times and gained a decent 65 yards on them, good for 5.4 yards per rush.
However, 30 of those yards came on one play where the ball carrier bounced off Louis Nix and rumbled for a big gain on a play Nix stops for a small gain probably 9 times out of 10.
Take away that one big fullback dive and Air Force was basically shut down with just 3.1 yards per rush on the other 11 carries.
There is a lot to work on and prepare for when Navy comes to South Bend in a few weeks, but the big numbers Air Force put up doesn't really reflect a terrible defensive performance by the Irish.
Final Thoughts
Offensively, I'm not sure how much we should take away from this game because it was painfully obvious that it was men among boys out there. 560 yards on just 65 plays, good for 8.6 yards per play, is just ridiculous and by far the biggest output for Notre Dame in the Brian Kelly era.
I'd really like to ask Brian Kelly why it took so long to get this multi-dimensional offense on the field though. At any rate, it's exciting to envision the rest of the season with the offense we saw yesterday: great line play, strong running game, the top three receiving targets getting theirs, smart play by Rees, coupled with a change of pace by Hendrix.
Defensively, perhaps we should be happy with a comfortable win and no major injuries?
Air Force did rack up 363 rushing yards and more total yards than Notre Dame has given up in a very long time, but they did only gain 281 rushing yards on the first team defense. Take away the fake punt and that drops down to just 262 rushing yards---which isn't all together awful.
Now, the Irish get to enjoy a bye week and get healthy before facing Southern California under the lights at Notre Dame Stadium.
The Trojans were idle this week and will play California this upcoming Thursday.
Other observations:
- Per Kelly's Sunday meeting with the media: Floyd asked to field punts and worked hard late after practice on it.
- On wearing green jerseys against USC Kelly said, "I didn't know we had green jerseys. If we did, we would think about it."
- Kelly praised freshman Stephon Tuitt and his versatility.
- Chase Hounshell played 38 snaps with Ethan Johnson out of the game with an injury.
- It was pretty much said without being said, that Everett Golson will redshirt this year.
- Davaris Daniels' father tweeted that his son will also redshirt this year.
- Notre Dame still remains unranked in both the AP and Coaches Polls.
Your moment of zen....
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Great article, Eric!
It was nice to see some different stuff out of the offense that hasn’t been displayed this year, especially the Hendrix movement and the Theo reverse. We never really got to see it play out, but it was nice to see Floyd back fielding punts. A couple of weeks ago I wondered how on god’s green earth ND can’t find someone on the squad to field punts or do it better than what they had been doing is beyond me. It’s nice to hear that a “true competitor” like Floyd, finally went to BK, and said. “Give me a shot, I want this”! It’s probally what he had hoped someone on the team would have done months ago! Got to love it!
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That is a pretty ballsy decision by Floyd
You have to love his work ethic and determination to give it a try. I wonder if he will continue doing so against USC?
I’d set the odds at 23% chance he’s the punt returner when USC goes 3 and out in a couple weeks.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 9, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he field punts as a freshmen?
It is pretty risky considering he’ll play in the NFL, but he probably wants to show his versatility, create a team-player attitude (which is good), and he’s ND’s best playmaker.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
I don't think he's ever been involved in the return game in any capacity.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 9, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Except hands team, I think.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 9, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're right
Tate and Allen did all the punt returning in 2008 and 2009, and Allen started out as the return guy last year until he got hurt and then it was the John Goodman Fair Catch Show the rest of the way.
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Still not sure how I feel about this one.
If there was any indication that there was going to be some blocking in front of the punt returner I might be all about it. Too bad it didn’t work out with Riddick, he seems like the most well suited. I would also be curious to know how Toma looks back there.
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by whiskey OFD on Oct 10, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
If we're going to be fair-catching it every time
I’d rather have Floyd doing the catching. I said this weeks ago, though not in public.
Seriously, though, our blocking has been @$$ on punt returns.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If ND is fair catching all the time, put Toma back there
no need to expose Floyd to a cheap shot
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Football is a contact sport, fellas.
And after the turnover troubles we’ve had, I say put your most sure-handed guy back there.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Toma's hands are fine
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He's gotten like less than a half-dozen touches this year.
I don’t want a nervous backup down there worrying about never seeing the field again if he screws up.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Though I'll concede that Toma's hands are fine.
But still… Coach Kelly agrees with me.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You get in my grill
ad then finally admit you agree Toma’s hands are fine? Think first, post second.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Just cuttin your onions, big fella
I agree that Toma’s hands are fine, but after our problems with turnovers on punt returns, I say gimme Floyd. And Coach Kelly agrees. I’m not sayin, I’m just sayin…
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
you seem to be saying contradictory things
maybe that’s a dixie thang
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
What you call contradictory, I call "nuance."
There’s nothing contradictory about the following:
1. Floyd’s hands are good.
2. Floyd is a starter and an All-American-caliber player.
3. Toma’s hands are fine.
4. Toma is a backup.
5. A backup, in my opinion, would be more likely to let jitters affect his performance than would an All-American-caliber, probable first-round-draft-pick starter.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
huge difference between catching a pass
and catching a punt. See Hester, Devin, great punt returner, not so great receiver.
Toma’s hands are fine, as you admit, so he should be fine as a punt returner.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know, catching punts is much different
You can be a good receiver with even great hands and still suck at catching punts.
See Watters, Ricky
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So you've completely de-railed our war of attrition
by providing a third, viable hypothesis that would defeat both of our viewpoints.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you pro- or anti-Floyd as return man?
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point he seems like a good choice
The injury concern doesn’t bother me in the least bit.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in favor of, oh, I don't know
teaching someone else to catch and teaching the rest of the punt return team to block, myself. 119 other teams in FBS can figure this out.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey brother--AMEN 110%.
But I think our discussion is focused on making chicken soup out of chicken sh!t.
Clearly we should (a) block at least one gunner at least one time per game (b) teach people to catch (though I don’t think one should need to be taught) and © get our playmakers not named Floyd involved in special teams.
On Power Hour Frank and Driskell were saying that in the season, you barely have enough time to get in your offensive and defensive game plans, and that it’s really tough to put in a lot of work on special teams during the season.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Bye week this week, next week there are no classes
No excuse if this isn’t worked on before USC. NONE. I love BK and our coaching staff, but if there’s anything that gives me pause, it’s that we are simply AWFUL on special teams.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I don't speak Spanish. Can you say that in Japanese for me?
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind--thanks Google!
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Juts because there are no classes doesn't mean they get more practice time.
The amount of time the coaches can spend with the kids practicing is strictly regulated.
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Actually, that's true, but not
I remember specifically last year them talking about being able to work with the kids more because the restrictions on time are relaxed during break periods. They may not be able to spend time on the practice field, per se, but they can work with them, maybe in other ways.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 11, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I would prefer to have Atkinson back there fielding punts instead of Floyd.
Don’t want to risk the injury. Bye week is the perfect time to get Atkinson (who is doing a great job in the KR game) or perhaps McDaniel some practice so they are ready for SC. I wonder why none of the DB’s have been tried back there yet?
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Jonathan Toews will eat your baby if it means two points.
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I wonder why none of the DB’s have been tried back there yet?
Probably because they are notorious for not having good hands. See Gary Gray’s attempted interception this weekend.
I don’t mind Floyd back there—-when was the last time an Irish punt returner was injured??
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair point.
I wasn’t thinking Gray or Blanton so much, but perhaps Wood, Jackson or even Collinsworth. And no, we have been lucky on the injury front in regards to PR knock on wood. I just don’t want that assclown Kiffin dialing up some dirty play on our #1 WR in 2 weeks the first time we force a 3 and out…and I wouldn’t put it past him.
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NOOOO!
No freshmen. We can’t have any more turnovers on punt returns. It’s good enough that our D forced a punt. The prriority is getting tha ball back, keeping it and scoring. The return is just gravy.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Can someone explain the rationale for burning Chase Hounshell's redshirt?
We burned Kona Schwenke’s redshirt last week due to depth concerns, so why were we playing Chase instead of Kona? Maybe Houshell’s played some special teams already, but if that’s the case, why did we burn Kona’s redshirt instead of just playing Hounshell? It seems like we burned two redshirts when we only needed to burn one.
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I haven't seen anyone ask Kelly about it yet.
Maybe tweet at Hamilton or Hanson and see if they ask during the Monday press conference?
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by PAK on Oct 9, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting question....
I thought he was Niklas at first, but then I noticed him lining up at tackle and I had to look up his number on the roster. Maybe he’s just outperforming Kona at this point?
I know people really enjoyed Schwenke’s play at the end of last year, but really didn’t play very much and his impact was minimal. So it’s not like he’s been awesome or anything.
I thought Springmann was the other freshman who was pushing for PT?? I don’t know where Hounshell came from though.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 9, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't THAT disappointed with the defense.
Like you said, giving up 19 points when we had a very comfortable lead for the entire game is completely acceptable to me. This wasn’t like the Purdue game, where we clearly broke the other team’s spirit – the acadamy players play from start to finish at 100% intensity. In Kelly’s presser, he confirmed my initial thoughts – the bulk of the players on the field for Air Force’s final two TDs were 3rd teamers who didn’t get any practice against the option at all, which explains how they were able to shred the defense.
I also disagree with the assertion that Wood or Grey were frustrated with the lack of carries. I think they loved that the offense as a whole just shredded the defense. That’s one of the things I love so much about our offense this year – no ego. No RBs complaining about carries, no WRs whining to the media, they just want to win and are willing to do anything to accomplish that goal. It shows on every play – just watch our WRs block, especially Floyd.
Also, I definitely want to recommend the Irish Connection videos on und.com. The one from this week’s game is posted, and you can see things from the sideline perspective. Two really interesting things: they got great video and sound of Kelly talking with the refs during the Floyd TD review, and everyone HAS to see the reaction of the offense to Hendrix’s big run – so funny.
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Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 9, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Loved the game that Rees played. This is all I want him to do, make smart decisions and distribute the ball. He doesn’t have to be great, and he never will be. He just needs to be capable. A couple weeks ago against Pittsburgh I thought he was regressing, but he’s played really well these past two weeks. I’m glad to see Hendrix getting some playing time, too. This offense already has a ton of weapsons, and adding one more just makes this team that much more dangerous.
I’m about to the point where I don’t ever want to play these option teams again. Air Force, in no way, is better than Michigan St., but I’d rather play Michigan St. 9 times out of 10. That offense is tailor-made for Notre Dame to play. Air Force throws a bunch of different stuff at you that you don’t see from anyone else. I appreciate all of the justifications, but this wasn’t a good defensive performance. Why was Slaughter the only guy defending those option pitches? I don’t understand why they aren’t using a LB to defend the QB, and then have Slaughter defend the pitch back. 3 down linemen and 2 inside LBs to take on anything run inside, and then an OLB and S for options to the outside. Am I wrong about this? It seems like Notre Dame is schematically flawed against these teams.
I think Notre Dame got two lucky breaks early in this game, the first being Floyd’s TD catch that I was sure would be overturned, and the second being Air Force’s fumble that wasn’t even reviewed. But you know what? I’ve seen Notre Dame have those calls go against them my whole life (or at least since 2008). So it’s nice to have a few breaks go our way.
I think I say this every week, but this is the best offensive line I’ve ever seen at Notre Dame. I can remember playing freaking Syracuse in 2008 (a game I wish I could forget), in which their nose tackle Arthur Jones made something like 20 tackles (probably exaggerating that number but it was a lot), and it is just night and day between then and now. I don’t think Tommy Rees has been touched the past two weeks. Cierre Wood and Jonas Gray are the envy of RBs everywhere with the holes they get to run through. This is great. I’ve bragged about Zack Martin a lot, and deservedly so, but another guy who’s been really good is Chris Watt. Actually, all of these linemen do a really good job of getting to the second level and blocking in space. Taylor Dever is the weakest of the starting five, and he blows Sam Young out of the water. That’s how good this line is. Gone are the days in which any obvious passing situation turns our tackles into turnstiles, and thank God for that.
From what I saw, we played with 4 down linemen most of the game
Kap-Lynch-Nix-Fleming
Slaughter (OLB)-Te’o-Carlo/Fox
Blanton-Gray
Smith-Motta
Burger and Coach can probably speak to this more than me. We could have brought one of the safeties closer to the line of scrimmage and helped Slaughter, but I think they were very worried about Jefferson’s passing. This wasn’t the same formation we saw against Navy, but it wasn’t as “jam the LOS” scheme that we saw against Army either.
I think we’ll see a much better effort against Navy, like I said in large part because Navy is not as good at throwing the ball, nor running outside on the edge.
We played very well against two things Navy does well: FB dive, and QB running.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 9, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said, frank
I echo your sentiment regarding the offensive line. Besides Martin and Watt, Cave has also been playing at that same level of high performance. Dever had a rough start to the year, but it seems like he’s playing better. At least, I haven’t noticed him too much the last few weeks, which is a good thing for an o-lineman.
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No need to worry about a review of the fumble.
It was clearly out before the guy was down. No need for the booth to ask for more time to be sure.
by Mr Wednesday on Oct 10, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen I say to you, Frank.
Watching this O-line play is the equivalent of just having met the girl of your dreams after getting dumped by every girl you’ve ever been with. That probably sounds weird, but you know what I mean.
Don’t be a stranger, Frank.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Lots of talk out there about how tame the crowd was on Saturday.
Was anybody there that wants to shed some light on that??
I keep saying it….winning WILL NOT improve the atmosphere to any large degree.
And no you can’t bring up the ’05 USC game as “proof” that the stadium can get loud. Nor, will the next game against USC mean the “problem” is alleviated.
Thoroughly dominating an opponent with copious amounts of touchdowns, and it’s still not enough. The crowd was (allegedly) asleep after ND got a big lead.
Sky rockets in flight.
Is it one of the fall break weekends?
I would assume that this was the first weekend of fall break, with the break ending next weekend (bye) and having everyone back on campus a week before USC. Back in ’97 when we lost to Air Force in OT that was part of the problem—it was the first weekend of fall break and 60% of the students had already left for home, made for a very quiet atmosphere.
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 9, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Fall break starts the 15th
So the USC game will be the Saturday at the end of break. I don’t think we’ll need to worry about students not showing up to that game…
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That sucks, but yeah, if they're going to come back for any game...
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 9, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Didnt seem to bad to me
Definitely wasn’t a crazy atmosphere, but its a service academy and we were blowing them out… not to concerned about it.
Crowd was excellent as recently as Michigan, 2010, not that it worked out great for us.
BEAT SC
And so Hendrix can look up and see defenders behind him
Per the Voodoo Child’s post-game comments.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Really impressed with Hendrix's arm and legs...going forward
this year the Irish are going to have some nice wrinkles added for the offense….and of course next spring the great debate will begin….whos the Irish QB for 2012.
I think we will just see more and more of Hendrix
going forward and into next year. In the interim I’m actually surprised to say that I don’t mind “the package.” I generally hate 2 QB systems but after seeing it on Saturday I’m strangely okay with it at the moment.
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by whiskey OFD on Oct 10, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Kelly specifically waited until Hendrix could run a significant number of passing plays with confidence.
My biggest pet peeve with “package QBs” is that they tend to run in, run the world’s most obvious QB draw/read option/QB lead and then run out. Kelly avoided that – Hendrix ran a good enough number of passing plays to keep the defense honest until we started to really kill the clock.
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I went to the game, sat in Section 15.
It was not our best effort for crowd noise. I think a lot of fans took this game lightly. A lot of late arrivers in our section, there was a steady stream of people coming up the stairs past where I was in Row 40 after kickoff. The crowd was indeed asleep after the big lead. Some people were too busy socializing to pay attention. I was amazed how people started leaving as early as the end of the 3rd quarter. Maybe it’s because I get to go to one game a year on average, but there was no way I was going to cut my visit short. Big shout out to the guy who gave me his seat cushion on his way out, though.
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Thanks for the thoughts KrillDog
Your comments are very close to what I’ve heard from a few others as well.
I keep saying it, the only time the crowd is consistently loud is when it is a relatively close game against a big rival (Michigan, MSU, etc.) or against a marquee ranked opponent. And even then, the crowd has a penchant to not be very loud on third downs when the opponent has the ball and things of that nature.
It’s too much of a larger issue for winning to turn things around.
We were winning on Saturday—-did it help?
No, it did not.
Would it have mattered if Notre Dame was undefeated?
Probably not by much.
I’m just not buying the “we have to win again for the stadium to start rocking again” theory. There’s way too much evidence to suggest that it won’t happen.
Yes, the USC game will probably be very loud and wonderful. But will Boston College? Navy? I doubt it.
Next year ND could stay undefeated——will the stadium be loud for games against Purdue? BYU? Pitt? Wake Forest?
I know where I put my money with those bets.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Upwards of 95% of Irish games since the mid-90's?
Okay, so the program hasn’t been top notch during that time, but we had back-to-back BCS seasons not too long ago. We strung together long winning streaks in those years and were highly ranked all season.
Did anything change then?
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by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my point.
We’ve sucked since the mid-90’s. All I can say is that I was at USC ’05 and the crowd noise was hella boss.
Who can say whether our crowd noise took a bump during those two seasons? This is nigh-impossible to quantify. The only objective way to do it is to fire up my Playstation 2. Whenever I win a championship in Dynasty mode, crowd noise is always better the next year.
I’m in favor of a jumbotron, but there are certain demographic issues that hurt the atmosphere, but that a jumbotron won’t change. Number one, ND is kind of a tourist destination, so at any given game you’ll have a lot of attendees who aren’t professional fans. Second, the down-in-front crowd’s cheering deficiencies are well-documented. Third, we have day games, so the fans can’t get super drunk—or I should say, fewer do.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been championing someone to test the decibel levels
At very college game for a 5-year span.
NCAA case-study. Wouldn’t cost that much money.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
every* college game
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by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I've found a cause worthy of receiving all OFD T-Shirt proceeds.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You can be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in Economics afterward
For stretching out our $3.67 in proceeds by having someone at every game across the country for 5 years.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The crowd was pretty weak for the MSU game as well.
Especially on third downs. The USC game should be different, regardless of fall break. If ND continues rolling, Navy and BC could get loud too.
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Great to see the O
put away a team early. And lemme echo that is was great to see BOTH Tommy Rees play well and Andrew Hendrix get some legitimate time and look good doing it.
by Chris Schumerth on Oct 9, 2011 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
Great post as per usual.
Love that photo of Cierre and Nix at the bottom. Cierre rocking the Erkel glasses is comedy, but Nix with the Shamrock medallion is truly hilarious. Good stuff.
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It's actually not comedy.
That’s apparently in style. It’s the latest rage with the kids. That and these sneakers with air pumps on ’em.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
A couple thoughts...
Overall, its hard to criticize the offense after putting up those kinds of numbers. All around a solid effort. If this team can protect the football, they should be able to score on just about anyone.
1. Rees played another solid game, but you expect that when the QB has all day to throw and there are mismatches all over the field. I recall the play you were talking about (I think) when Rees threw into double/triple coverage and had Wood open underneath on the opposite hash. When he makes that read, I will know he has grown by leaps and bounds.
2. Hendrix played a solid game in his first live action. I don’t think he will ever live down tripping himself up and missing out on the big TD run, except for maybe that second attempt to punch it in when he got stuffed. He had some great velocity on the ball and threw four excellent passes. I think BK will have plenty of confidence in him moving forward.
3. ND could have just ground it out with Wood and Gray, and part of me wanted to see that in the second half to control more of the clock. Its nice to have options offensively, right?
4. The defense was sub-par across the board. The D-line played well (Lynch had another personal foul though, which needs to be corrected) and Fleming played pretty well overall. Slaughter had his best game yet, and it is great to see what he can do when healthy. I wish that they would have played a little different scheme though, eliminating the pitch man and forcing the QB keeper inside where you have more tacklers. I know Air Force can throw the ball, but Cover 1 probably would have been sufficient on first and second down.
5. I looked at the stat sheet this morning and they actually had Hounshell listed as 5B instead of 50. You weren’t the only one who didn’t know his number going in.
6. Is Anthony McDonald healthy? I don’t think he played at all yesterday and can’t remember seeing him out there at all this year.
7. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bennett Jackson get a little more time as the 3rd corner option moving forward. I think he played far better than Lo Wood with the second team yesterday and made a heads-up play on the onside kick attempt. He was one step away from turning that up the field for a TD, but just couldn’t turn the corner in time…
8. Its unfortunate that DD will be red-shirting IMO, but that probably means he is still learning the offense at this point. There are many read-option routes in this offense, which can add to the learning curve. I think keeping an extra year for Golson is a smart move, and am not as concerned with burning a year for Hounshell or Schwenke. Guys get banged up on the line (see EJ) and its better to get them in now rather than later.
9. The underneath crossing route finally made many appearances on Saturday. I did enjoy all of the extra wrinkles that were thrown out there for USC to think about and try to prepare for in two weeks. In the meantime, the Irish need to come up with a scheme to stop Robert Woods. Think he will see some double coverage? Yeah, probably…
I thought I remember seeing McDonald playing a little bit
Back against Pitt——I think? He was in there for some plays against someone in the recent past. Needless to say, he’s not playing very much and might not get a 5th year.
Did anyone see Jarrett Grace after the game while they were signing the Alma Mater?? That boy is HUGE!!!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
This is straight from the horse's mouth
"Option football is about keeping the points down, and that mentality is what we talked about, any time we now enter a week where we are preparing against option, yards have nothing to do with the outcome," Kelly said. "It’s keeping the points down. And quite frankly if we don’t jump off‑side on fourth and one and if we don’t give up a fake punt, we are even lower in the points. So we were really pleased with keeping the points down."
Well…okay. I guess I’m not a huge fan of simply conceding yardage, but I guess they feel like as long as they don’t allow anything devastating on defense that we’ll just thrash them offensively and that will take care of itself. I still think it’s a flawed idea that has Jamoris Slaughter as the only guy defending both the QB and the pitch back. Well, I guess Harrison Smith is supposed to step up in support as well, but he’s coming from a long ways away.
I’m not trying to be pessimistic after this awesome victory, but you can’t tell me you watched that game and felt good about our prospects against Navy, defensively I mean. You don’t lose to Navy 3 out of 4 years, give up a ton of yards to Air Force and make me feel good about an upcoming game against Navy. I get that Navy doesn’t run their offense exactly like Air Force, but it’s similar enough. On the bright side, we finally pounded a service academy into submission offensively. These teams can smoke-and-mirror their way around an offense, but frankly our performances against their defenses hadn’t been nearly good enough until Saturday. We should always be able to perform like that offensively against Air Force, Navy and Army. They don’t get front seven players big enough to contend with our offensive line, nor do they get secondary players who should be able to contend with our receivers. So that was encouraging.
Navy lost their best QB in forever. Air Force beat Navy. In action that mattered, we beat Air Force 50+ to 19.
That 19 should have been more like 8 (AFA scored 14 on the FG offsides/fake punt posessions – stop the fake and don’t jump offsides, that 14 becomes 3).
Why again would I NOT feel better going into the Navy game? I’m not saying it’s a guaranteed win or anything, but my confidence level going in will be much higher.
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Actually I did feel pretty good about the D concerning Navy.
I think the coaching staff has made it a point to shut down the runs up the middle and take away the fullback. I know this is going to be a huge point of emphasis against Navy. The fullback dive has killed the Irish the past two years—-just absolutely killed us.
And as Coach has often pointed out, the fullback dive is the bread and butter of Navy’s offense. Stop that and their offense can go to shite really quick. Let them run wild up the middle and well…we saw what has happened over the past two years.
I know watching the game when they flashed that AF had 200-something rushing yards near the half, that I was surprised that it was that much, because it didn’t feel like it. Re-watching the game I felt the same way—-I had to go back and honestly count up all the yards to make sure.
From what I can gather without talking to the coaches, they wanted to take away the fullback dives, runs up the middle, and not let Jefferson beat us with his arm or legs. I thought that if that was indeed the gameplan they did a good job.
Bring that same exact scheme to Navy (which we won’t—-one of the safeties will play closer to the line and help on the pitch I presume) and we will still play better against the Middies, because Navy doesn’t have as good of an athlete at QB, he can’t throw as good as Jefferson, and they aren’t as dynamic running outside on the pitch.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping that we see something along these lines against the Mids.
Just need at least one more body getting up to the LOS to defend the pitch. Go ahead and let Slaughter (or whoever plays OLB that day) just tee off on the QB every time he comes down the line.
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by whiskey OFD on Oct 10, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I would actually give the defense a B rating...
they did what they had to…not letting them score. They took away Jefferson and that made their offense sputter. Comming into the game Jefferson was a 70% passer, the Irish made him a 50 % passer on12 of 24 for 137 yds and they took away his running ability, Jefferson was over 200 yds for his previous games, the Irish held him to 22 yds on 10 carries.
The Irish first team only surrendered 19 points to a potent offense and that could have been lower if Lynch didnt jump offsides on their 4th and one FG attmpt that led to a first down and a TD and of course the fake punt for a TD. The irish D did what they had to….let them run crazy between the 20’s…just dont let them in the end zone and for 55 minutes the Irish D held them to 19 points….Airforce got 14 more in the last 5 or 6 minutes against the reserves…..B grade from me.
I was impressed with Jefferson as a passer
We did a nice job taking him out of the game.
The defensive scheme was a little iffy, but I doubt we’ll play like that against Navy, like Eric said above.
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He kind of had a Cam Newton-ish throwing motion to me
He could definitely zip balls in there with pretty good accuracy.
The whole time they were talking about Jefferson becoming a pilot I was thinking—-isn’t he too big? I just looked up his size and he’s listed at 6’0". Didn’t he seem a lot taller or was it just me?
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by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would would have pegged at something like 6'2, 205
Maybe he just looked big next to the other Air Force runts…
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Eric
This was the Hendrix that we saw glimpses of in the spring game. Strong runner, with decent speed. A powerful accurate arm. Once he gets a better handle on the offense, he could be very good. I liked the pass to Eifert on the roll out. Being able to throw on the move and extend plays is another dynamic of Kelly’s offense we have yet to see.
Aaron Lynch, please stop getting called for personal fouls.
I really like Rees a lot, hes done a good job managing this offense
now for 2 seasons, but I just feel hes like a “stand in” untill the real QB is ready to perform. IMO Hendrix is going to be the 2012 starter over Golson just for the fact Hendrix will be starting his 3rd year in this system and have a much better understanding of the playbook than Golson will
Rees is well beyond managing the game
I understand there are posters here who will never give Rees his due, but the only way Hendrix starts in 2012 is if Rees is hurt.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Rees has done a magnificent job as the Irish QB...but....most people
know that he isnt the QB that BK prefers for his offense to operate at full capacity…BK wants a QB that can use his legs as well as his arm. I agree somewhat that Rees will start the season at QB in 2012 but that Hendrix will be getting a lot of time and eventually become the starter.
Heres a thought….just imagine if Hendrix had been an early enrolle like Rees, do you think Rees would have been the back up to Crist last season and replaced him this season?…I dont
Rees starts unless he gets hurt
highly doubtful Hendrix passes him on the depth chart. Rees is playing too well. Having a QB who can run a bit is a bonus, not a necessity. A QB who makes good decisions and is accurate and timely with his throws is far more important. BK had his best season at Cincinnati with a QB who had no mobility (Pike) even though he had another much more mobile QB on the roster.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Rees is fine for this offense as it is untill BK
gets the QB he wants on the field to run his full offense. I would suggest to Rees he go to a track coach this summer and figure away to get some speed and mobility, that way he has a chance to be the full time starter next year. As long as BK is the coach you will never see another QB offered a schollie unless he can run and throw, the Irish have 2 of them ready to go in Hendrix and Golson.
Too funny
some people refuse to admit just how good Rees is playing.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Bill
Rees has been fine this year and would be fine if he continues to start for us. But Kelly prefers a QB that can run, so I think it’s unlikely that ND will recruit QBs like Rees in the future. If I remember right, Rees committed under Weis.
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Rees has been a lot better than fine
and as long as he continues to improve, he will remain the starter.
As for what BK will recruit, I agree he prefers a dual threat, but he clearly puts the premium on the ability to make good decisions before the snap and be timely and accurate with his passing over the ability to run. See Pike, Tony.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Rees was a Kelly recruit - as a matter fact, he was a Kelly commit at Cincinnati prior to Kelly taking the ND job
He decommitted from Cinci when Kelly took the ND job and came here instead.
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This is a very important point that I had completely forgotten about.
If I remember correctly Hendrix was also a Weis recruit then visited Florida and was on the fence after BK was hired. While I don’t see BK as the kind of coach that would hold that sort of thing against players it does make for a nice conspiracy theory subplot.
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You're confusing Rees with Luke Massa
Massa was a QB recruit for Kelly at Cincy, then decommitted and committed to ND. Rees committed to Weis and then decided to enroll early when Kelly asked him.
Don't count him out, Bill.
I counted him out as a career backup before the season, and look how that’s turned out. He is clearly the least physically talented of our QB’s, but he’s calling out the right protections and making the right decisions. Next year’s QB battle will be fierce.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
until Hendrix becomes Rees’s equal in the mental part of the game, no way he starts over Rees, despite whatever physical superiorities one thinks he might have.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, Rees is doing ok with his limited abilities, hes making
most of the right decisions …but….his throwing the deep 30 yd strike to a wideout, or that sideline out pass of 10 yds from the opposite hash, and the way he scrambles out of the pocket when rushed and toss’s a strike on the move or tucks it away and gains 5 yds or so, and the way he runs the QB draw….oh, he doesnt do all those things and thats why I count him out for next year. Like I said in another post, Rees may start 2012 as the starting QB because BK might figure he ows him that, but it wont be long before hes replaced with a QB that can run the whole playbook.
I dont dislike Rees, its just that the offense will be so much better with a QB that can hurt you with his legs or with his arm and it makes defenses just have one more thing to defend against. Rees is doing everything right with what he physically has to work with and BK knows that and thats why BK has most likely only given Rees like 70% of the playbook…if that
4 games of 500+ yards of offense is pretty good...
I don’t know how much better you’ll get with an inexperienced QB in his place.
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One other thing to expand on is neither
Hendrix or Golson have started a game for ND, so no one knows…like others have said here….how they will react under pressure, how they will read defenses and make decisions, what their mindset will be when they make their first fumble or INT…those are factors that favour Rees as the starter.
Yeah, homes is just about unshakeable.
He seems like he’s the most boring guy in the world—in a good way. As even-keel as can be. Can’t be bothered, or hardly even excited. Screw icewater in his veins—his veins themselves are at absolute zero.
Smarter guys than I have looked at Kelly’s offenses and deduced that Rees has just enough arm strength to get it done in this offense. As for mobility, Kelly can work with a pocket passer. Tony PIke got it done in Kelly’s system.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't just get speed and mobility.
Rees doesn’t have it now, he won’t have it as he ages.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
but he has other factors that are much more important
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Rees is not capable of running
ALL of Kelly’s offense. This offense operates at full capacity with a mobile QB, which Rees definitely is not. So while Rees may not be a game manager, he’s close. I do believe he’s a seat warmer, it may not be 2012, but he won’t be starting in 2013 if Hendrix (or Golson) is ready.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Just because Hendrix and Golson are more mobile
you assume they can run all of BK’s playbook. But it is just as big an assumption that Hendrix and Golson can run the full playbook, too, a point the Rees is just a game manager or Rees is just a seat warmer crowd ignores.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Explain that a little further
What can Rees do that can’t Goldrix can’t?
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by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's saying that Rees knows the whole playbook
which I would think is the case. Isn’t that why he got the nod over Hendrix to begin with? All we have for Hendrix is “a package.” Doesn’t that suggest that Hendrix isn’t working with the whole playbook?
Rees must know more of it than Golson, since Golson only has a spring and fall camp in the system.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this point is beyond obvious.
Hendrix and Golson don’t know the whole playbook, largely because they haven’t had enough time, or no time, being treated as the starter.
We KNOW Rees can’t run the option or option read, among other things and that will never change.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You asked for the explanation, big guy.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Deadred's comment just didn't make sense
Rees limitations are physical, that’s why he can’t run the entire playbook. It has nothing to do with what each QB knows and does not know at this point in history on October 10, 2011.
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by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused.
I don’t think we’re disagreeing. But you and deadred may be disagreeing.
I’m going to go lie down.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming that Hendrix and Golson have no limitations
just doesn’t make sense either. Maybe their only limitation is their command of the playbook, or maybe there are aspects of the playbook they cannot handle physically. We know Rees is a poor candidate to run the ball and his ability on the deep ball and deep out are questionable. What we don’t know are what limitations (physical, mental and emotional) Hendrix and Golson might have. Surely you are not suggesting that you know they have none. Just because they both have a stronger arm and are more mobile, does not mean they are better candidates. There is a lot more to being a successful QB than arm strength and running ability.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If we are speaking strictly about learning BK's offense & playbook
Then yes, I don’t think Hendrix or Golson will have any limitations.
They might have certain limitations mentally that we have not been able to see during live action, but that’s a different argument.
Right now, Rees has a leg up in certain aspects (poise, accuracy, etc.), but many of these traits most college quarterbacks will also gain with more experience on the field.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You know Hendrix and Golson can make all the throws?
As for the question of whether or not Hendrix and Golson have the non-physical attributes necessary is not a different argument. It is exactly on point since the discussion is whether Rees should remain the QB next season. Poise, leadership and smarts are essential ingredients for a successful QB.
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I'm fairly confident that they can make all the throws
At the very least, I can see them doing what Rees is doing as far as the types of throws Tommy is making right now——with a supposed full knowledge of the playbook.
I agree that poise leadership and smarts are very important—-but Rees doesn’t own a monopoly on those attributes either. I think the odds are pretty good that either Hendrix or Golson will end up having those same attributes as well. And no, they haven’t proven anything yet but there have been a lot of signs pointing to them being special in some capacity.
After all, Hendrix did play this weekend—-which might not seem like much but he’s out there for a reason….he’s very talented.
I think calling Rees a seat warmer is kind of ridiculous, but I think his edge right now is largely due to experience. I will admit that Rees has played beyond my expectations so far this year, and he’s going to be tough to beat out next year or whenever.
How much of the offense playing well is due to Rees? It’s a good question, but he has been put in a very enviable position to be sure.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
There's the rub
we have a good idea what Rees can do, but we are speculating as to what Hendrix and Golson can do.
I have faith that BK will make the right decision when the time comes, but I do find it amusing that more than a few here seem so quick to dump on Rees and wax poetically over the supposed talents of Hendrix and Golson.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's not get too caught up in Hendrix's performance
Rees was 23/32 for 261 yards and 4 TD’s. He had a pretty good day too…
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Aww, we can get caught up in both can't we?
I thought this was big for Hendrix, because a lot of people were knocking him explicitly because he hadn’t done anything in a real game yet. Now it will be, “well yeah it was just against Air Force.” It’s a progression.
I want to see how he handles adversity—-he’ll inevitably throw an interception at some point.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It was definitely the best spot for Kelly to get him his first action
It was a low-pressure situation against an overmatched defense. If he HADN’T done well we would’ve had a major problem. I just think it’s a little ridiculous that now people are calling for Hendrix to start (not here, but elsewhere in the interwebs).
I just don’t want people to lose sight of the back-to-back strong performances Rees just put together (I know, I know, it was against Purdue and Air Force, but humor me for a second). I thought, aside from a few throws, he made very good decisions, got the ball out quickly, and found his open man. USC will be a very good test for him.
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Very good games by Rees over the past two weeks
And honestly he should have great games the rest of the way. USC and Stanford have okay defenses, but not anything too great.
Rees should definitely start, but if he’s injured then………………….??
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by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If Rees gets hurt against USC (god forbid)
Crist comes in because he knows more of the playbook. Hendrix knows his package, a few run plays and a few passes only.
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
when Hendrix throws a pick or fumbles the ball
I can hardly wait for the clever nicknames to come forward
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
thoughts on the game
Great day for the offense. Not exactly a brilliant insight when a team scores TDs on its first 6 possessions, all in the first half, but this is the first time the offense put together a complete game. Rees was excellent. Anyone who does not see his improvement is not paying attention. Sadly I suspect his naysayers are still waiting for him to screw up though so they can say I told you so.
For the second straight week BK and Co. did a great job scheming to get a WR more touches. Floyd last week, and Riddick this week. We really got to see what Riddick can mean to this offense yesterday. Get him the ball on the move and in space and look out. Floyd and Eifert were their usual selves, men among boys. One negative, someone needs to teach TJones how to block before he hurts a teammate.
The run game was excellent. The OL completely dominated (as it should against AF) and the RBs again ran with power and speed. The couple of glimpses we got of McDaniel were encouraging. It would be good to see some more from him. ND may have more depth at RB than I thought. The other frosh RB, GA3, every time they hand him the ball, he looks like his future is at WR and not at RB.
Now for the not so good … the defense. Bad game, no other way to put it. AF moved the ball pretty much at will, running and throwing. Against a service academy option attack, you need disciplined team defense. Every player has a job to do and if one drops the ball, the defense gets gashed, and that happened with disturbing regularity yesterday. They handled the inside run game pretty well, as they should with their size advantage, but they got shredded on the outside. That needs to get fixed before they meet Navy. Fortunately USC runs nothing like the AF offense, so ND should match up better schematically.
Special teams had maybe their best overall day, but that is not saying much. No bad snaps. They kept scoring TDs, so Ruffer just had PATs and Turk, while not called on much, was fine. Brindza’s depth on KOs is maddeningly inconsistent, but coverage was better.
Good time for the week off. Rest up a bit, and two weeks to prepare for USC. Hopefully ND continues to improve and turns this into a national statement (ND is back!) game. USC is not its usual nasty self, but there is still a lot of talent. Barkley and Woods is the best passing combo ND will face this season. Their defense has struggled, but I expect Kiffin Sr will cook up some defensive puzzles for Rees. Rees needs to be smart again with the ball, like he has been the last couple of weeks. This could be a statement game for them, too.
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions
Baloney on the bad game by the D.....the only thing that matters
is that the D didnt give up points…only 19 by the starters. Thats what Trip Option offenses do..run run run…you dont stop it, you contain it…just like the Irish D did. To stop a Trip Option offense you take away one factor….BK did that, took Jefferson completely out of the game. For Navy it will be stop the fullback, let them have their 300 yds rushing between the 20’s and keep them out of the endzone like they did againts Airforce
Also, let's not forget
Oklahoma gave up 351 rushing yards, 458 total yards, and 24 points to Air Force last year——barely winning.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
GAIII
Definitely looks like he will move to a receiver position, but I think that depends on BK getting his second RB commit for 2012.
The thing that was most concerning for me was that Air Force was able to get cut blocks at the second level. That cannot happen against an option team. I don’t think you will see quite the same scheme against Navy, and let’s face it—Ricky Dobbs is gone, which is a big relief.
On special teams, there have definitely been problems. I think the one positive about Brindza’s shorter kicks is that they get a lot of hang time, which allows the coverage to get in position.
While I realize you are one of Rees’ biggest supporters, I still need to see him make progressions across the entire field. Too often (if not always), he locks in on a single side of the field. He has definitely improved with not locking in on receivers and not trying to force the ball into coverage, but as with any young QB, he is still working on it.
Every week this Irish team has progressed.
For instance, in the USF game, they were sloppy, but almost came back in the second half and won that game. Michigan, our offense was rolling, but mistakes in the secondary, more turnovers and some lucky bounces against the good guys led to another loss. But, MSU marked a turning point for this team. By beating a ranked opponent, who is also a rival, it gave our boys the confidence that they needed to tell themselves that they will be OK, that this season isn’t lost. Against Pitt, they showed that they might not be on their game every week, but the effort to overcome sloppiness and a superior defensive scheme was rewarded with a win. The Purdue game showed ND how to take the wind out of the opponent’s sails, while the AF game showed the Irish how to put a game out of reach pretty early and to keep tacking on.
Every week has taught the team something different and the team is better for it. Meanwhile, turnovers have quietly gone away (knock on wood). Rees looks much more comfortable in the offense by going through his progressions and not locking on to MF all game long. The line looks super, the RBs are phenomenal and the run defense is stellar.
BK is right, yards don’t matter against the academies, it’s points. Something has to be said for a team that gained that many yards and only scored 19 points. That to me is the bigger fail, than the defense allowing that many yards.
Totally agree on the progress.
This team is starting to come into its own. We should be solid down the stretch. If we can beat USC for the 2nd consecutive year and follow that up with a comfortable win vs. Navy I will be starting to get very excited.
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by whiskey OFD on Oct 10, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Eilar Hardy played?
Has he been getting in on special teams?
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
That came up on my phone when I was updating every three seconds
I think it’s just a mistake. Hardy is number 34, the same as GA3. My phone also told me Robert Blanton threw a pass (Blanton = 12 = Hendrix).
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Also, Hardy is out for the year with a torn LCL
making it unlikely that he played.
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Couldn't Resist Getting Involved in this One
Rees has been great the last two weeks but when you look at body of work, he has been DECIDEDLY MEDIOCRE. His best two games of the year were against the worst 2 defenses he’s faced. His worst games of the year have been against the best 3 teams—MSU, UM, and Pitt—he’s faced. Let’s see him turn in stellar efforts against USC and Stanford before we anoint him as really good. And make no mistake: Hendrix will at least challenge for the starting job in 2012 and be on Rees’ heels every second of the 2012 season.
by Chris Schumerth on Oct 10, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
Let's play a game
I’ll list the stats of four QBs. You name which two are potential Heisman candidates, which one is the QB of a good (not great) mystery team, and which is Tommy Rees.
QB A: 1503 yards, 13 TD/6 INT, 66.0 comp. %
QB B: 1814 yards, 13 TD/5 INT, 69.3 comp. %
QB C: 1587 yards, 14 TD/4INT, 70.7 comp. %
QB D: 1327 yards, 13 TD/6 INT, 61.3 comp. %
It might be kinda easy to figure out which one is Rees, but I I’m gonna call you out on him being “DECIDELY MEDIOCRE.” He’s not Peyton Manning, but he’s hardly a detriment to the team.
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C is Barkley I think I got that one
A has to be Rees because of 6 picks and a good completion percentage.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Better than I thought he was playing
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't Call Rees a Detriment
When he plays like he did against Purdue or Air Force. But what I would call him is average on a really good team. He is good enough to not lose the games most of the time.
Those guys you mention aren’t going to win the Heisman with those stats. Best shot is Jones because he plays on a National Title contender. And notice: his numbers are better than Rees and he doesn’t have any receivers that are as good as Floyd.
Put Landry Jones as ND’s QB and Rees as Oklahoma’s and ND is 6-0 and ranked higher than the Sooners, while Oklahoma is probably 5-1 or 4-2. Speculative, sure, but I’m confident in the speculation. Barkley and Murray, who cares, I don’t want those guys either.
by Chris Schumerth on Oct 10, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And back to my original point
Of those numbers above, here are Rees’ numbers against Purdue and Air Force:
7 TDs, 0 interceptions or fumbles, over 500 yards
Do that against Stanford and USC, and I’ll be impressed.
Take those numbers out, and his TD to int ratio is: 6:6
by Chris Schumerth on Oct 10, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
Feel free to gloat if Rees throws five INTs against USC, but don’t be surprised if I drop a “told ya so” if he gets the job done against the Trojans.
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For "our" sake, I hope YOU are right
But I think in order for me to be sold on Rees as the long-term ND QB I need more than USC. Give me a solid performance and win against USC, Standford, and a BCS game, and bam done, you don’t hear me sayin anything bout Hendrix in the off-season.
by Chris Schumerth on Oct 11, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect Rees to play pretty well against USC and down the stretch too
USC doesn’t have a great defense—-they just gave up 425 passing yards and 6.4 YPP against a very mediocre Arizona team.
The issue for me will be, will Rees really take the reigns and play at a very high level?
I would argue that with this offense, with the weapons and line protecting—-Rees should really dominate out there. Not that I expect perfection, but he’s set up nicely to really do some damage.
If we assume Rees finishes the regular season with roughly 3,200 yards, 30 TD’s, and 11 INT—-that’s pretty good.
I’d just like to see him really bury someone like USC or Stanford, maybe against a really good bowl team—-with a 350 yards, 3 TD, turnover free performance. Maybe it’s asking a lot for a true sophomore, but I think it isn’t.
Putting up those numbers against Purdue or Air Force is one thing, but if he really wants to stomp out any dissent and own the starting job (aside from winning) he’ll have to really come up big against the top teams.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 11, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt a game like you describe
would stop the Rees-doubters to change their tune. When he screws up, they will scream I told you so, and when he plays well, they will call him “average” and still say they are sold on him yet.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 11, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
typo
the last bit should read:
they are NOT sold on him yet.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 11, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you're painting the Rees doubters too negatively
I surely have my doubts about him, but he’s won me over to a large degree this year. I don’t really think there are many (certainly not around here) that are really that steadfast on Rees not playing for whatever reasons.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 11, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't know about the others
But I just want ND to win! The first 2 games of the season pissed me off haha. In order ND to win as much as we want them to, they’re going to have to have the best QB on the field. If that’s Rees, so be it.
by Chris Schumerth on Oct 11, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
More accurately, the doubters paint Rees too negatively
the doubters were very quick to jump all over Rees early on … Tommy Turnover was heard often. But now that he is playing well, the praise is at best grudgingly given, with many still pining for another QB.
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 11, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, highly speculative.
I would also say that Ryan Broyles is a pretty good receiver. The Sooners have a couple of other kids catching passes that are pretty decent too.
whiskey
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Broyles can definitely play
But he’s no Floyd. For one thing, he’s 5-10.
by Chris Schumerth on Oct 10, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Floyd
is phenomenal, and I think as long as he gets his catches, he is a lock for AA. Blackmon has been average (by the standards he put up last year, and that fumble vs. A&M will cost him) but Jones has Broyles and Stills, so I would hardly say he doesn’t have talented receivers.
As far as Heisman talk goes, right now its Russell Wilson and then everyone else (everyone else being Andrew Luck). For Wilson to win, Wisconsin has to go undefeated and win the Big 10. For Luck to win, he has to be pretty special in late October and November during the tough part of their schedule. I think Jones is out of the conversation right now b/c he hasn’t wowed anyone so far this year.
You should have resisted
I understand the Rees is just not good enough crowd will never accept Rees as being worthy of being at QB at ND. They say Rees has not done enough, yet at the same time some are ready to anoint Hendrix the starter in 2012. What exactly has Hendrix done?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, well if you must know!
Currently 100% completion percentage.
Averaging over 100 yards on the ground per game.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I am know on the Hendrix bandwagon.
You can’t disagree with 100% completion percentage and 100+ yards rushing per game.
Hendrix! Hendrix! Hendrix!
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hendrix is so played out.
I really like this new QB out of North Carolina called “Golson”….you’ve probably never heard of him…
/pushes up Cierre Woodesque huge hipster-glasses with non-prescription lenses.
"Coach, I'm having a really tough time getting open with that Tyrannosaurus out there."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
NEEDS MOAR HHHHHHH
"Coach, I'm having a really tough time getting open with that Tyrannosaurus out there."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Goldrix - helping young men in Indiana "get excited" during Saturday afternoons during autumn
Side effects may include fumbling, the jitters, bad reads, frequently being yelled at by authority figures until they are magenta in the face, limited playbook, Heisman Trophy votes, BCS Bowls, undefeated season.
If any of these issue persist or if you are “excited” for more than four hours on Saturday afternoon, immediately turn to your nearest Purdue game or get a life.
by jkra0512 on Oct 10, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
How did I know Big E would say that? hahaha, good one.
You were pointing that out in the game thread this week too. Clearly, Hendrix is the starter next year based solely on these stats. /sarcasm
But, in all seriousness, Rees will be the starter until he graduates. That’s just the way it is, Hendrix will have to settle for change-of-pace QB or mop up duty for next year. Rees might not have the legs, but he has a good enough arm, he’s progressing from being a game manager to a bonafide QB who can take control of a game. Plus, he’s beginning to spread the ball around, which is good on two fronts. One, it makes the offense more dynamic, teams can’t key on one or two guys and it helps open the playbook up further. Secondly, Michael Floyd won’t be here next year and no one will replace his talent or production, so finding these other receivers and becoming used to getting the ball to them will give him a leg next year, because he already has a good rapport with them.
The QB situation is a giant cluster-F right now
Hendrix playing as well as he did in his first game just makes it worse. Rees certainly has the odds right now, but I don’t think we can say definitively that he’s going to be the starter until he graduates.
We’re not even bringing in Golson to the equation!
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear what you're saying, don't get me wrong.
I would definitely love to see Hendrix or Golson in there. Just to have that extra dynamic of a guy who can pass as well as run is very enticing and exciting.
But, I have a feeling that as long as Rees keep progressing, BK is going to go with a proven winner. Tommy Rees is a proven winner. He’s done it in a (meaningless) bowl game. He’s brought a dead team back to life and nearly stole the opener against USF. Orchestrated a perfect TD drive against Pitt that was the deciding score. Had a huge night in Michigan and the past two weeks he’s guided this offense to huge days scoring-wise. Each and every week he’s getting better.
What I’m thinking is this…Hendrix will have a larger part of this offense when Tommy is a senior. I would look for what Florida did with Tebow and Leak. Obviously, I’m not calling Hendrix the next Tebow, because he’s not, but I think BK will make those packages more prominent in the offense, maybe even next year.
I think as fans we shouldn’t be so quick to throw away what we have for a newer, shinier toy like Hendrix or Golson. We have a proven winner right now and until he proves otherwise, I say keep him in there and use the other two as change-of-pace or design specific packages and situtations for them to thrive in.
That scenario could happen
But I just don’t see Hendrix staying a chance of pace quarterback for the next 20+ games of his career.
That could mean he transfers, he becomes starter, Rees is injured, he falls back down the depth chart and doesn’t play at all, but something has to give after a certain amount of time.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm afraid of.
It’s a difficult situation because Hendrix is definitely a talent and he’s not going to wait too long before he gets his shot. Honestly, I can see him transferring if Rees is named starter next year, I really do. At that point, the picture is much clearer and I don’t know if ND would be better or worse for it either. I’m sure most will say “worse,” but if Golson can provide the same thing while maintaining an extra year of eligibility then I think it’s an overall win even if we lose the depth.
Lots of “IFs” in there…
As excited as I am about the prospect of Golson running the offense (okay, or Hendrix, especially after Saturday)
that also comes with the mistakes we see from inexperience and learning. The exact mistakes we’re seeing now from Tommy. It just depends on if the tradeoff is worth it between what Goldrix (I like that, Murtaugh) brings to the game beyond what Tommy can do vs. the mistakes they will inevitably make. Tommy isn’t going to ever be a Heisman candidate, but he can be a very very good college QB. If Goldrix has the tools to be an elite QB, we’ll likely accept the growing pains and see them more next year. If not, we’re gonna get Tommy.
"Coach, I'm having a really tough time getting open with that Tyrannosaurus out there."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
a giant clusterf---, strange analogy
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it is isn't it?
It’s nice to have Rees stepping up and playing well right now, but there are going to be a lot of tough decisions for Kelly, and the players to make.
We’ve been blessed with great QB depth—-but with it comes other consequences.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't usually associate having too much talent as a giant clusterf---,
but suit yourself. Lack of talent, lack of direction, lack of discipline, those would be more analogous.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone's feeling contrary today...
did we get up on the wrong side of the bed???
I’m just giving you a hard time, so don’t get mad, big dog.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You must be really bored
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
At the QB position it can be, most definitely
1. Elite recruits can shy away from coming to ND.
2. Current roster players can transfer.
3. If scenario 1 happens, followed by scenario 2, we’re in a terrible spot.
4. Playing two QB’s usually brings about some form of drama
There are all kinds of scenarios that can play out that are not really healthy for the program.
In truth, we all want the ONE GUY at QB to be the unquestioned leader. Some think it is, or can be Rees.
But now he’s sharing X amount of snaps with Hendrix.
Sky rockets in flight.
by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 10, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
making a mountain out of a molehill I think
Not sure I buy the too much talent as a problem argument; however, I do know it pales in comparison with having too little talent.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 10, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I certainly wouldn't mind if one of our backups never played at ND and went on to start in the NFL
a la USC’s Matt Cassell
"Coach, I'm having a really tough time getting open with that Tyrannosaurus out there."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
When BK took this job he had Crist and freshman QB's and thats
not a good situation but Rees enrolled early learned something and had to step up. 2012 can be the same situation all over again. Its almost a given that Crist will transfer next season as he graduates this December…now comes a dreaded possibility….Rees is named starter…Hendrix is now in his 3rd year and wants to play…he transfers. That puts BK right back to like when he took over the job….one experienced QB(Rees) and a redshirt frosh(Golson). Its to many QB’s to close in class…soph, redshirt soph and freshman. I left Crist off because I think hes for sure gone.
I think the expression "clusterf--"
is a reference to a cluster bomb, which is a large bomb that contains hundreds of smaller bombs. The large one breaks up into several smaller ones near impact, thus creating a lot of smaller explosions all over the place. So “clusterf—_” is something that is just all over the place.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's going to be wide open next year.
But Rees will have a big advantage if he continues to improve.
The QB situation is giant cluster-F—in a very good way, I agree.
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta say....
I absolutely love all the discussion we’re having today! Nice and healthy community we have here!
by jkra0512 on Oct 10, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
SCREW YOU JKRA1623
YOU’RE A DUMMY AND HGHOLHSOHN IS THE OBVIOUS CHOICE FOR QB AND OUR DEFENSE IS NOT MANSOME ENOUGH WE SHOULD REALLY CAN KELLY AND GO HIRE NICK SATAN
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This is an all-time favorite of mine.
I first saw Publius use it. Is it his, or is it some meme or something to which I am completely oblivious?
by Mouth of the South on Oct 10, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
it's from the near-constant mocking of NDNation that goes on over at EDSBS
"Coach, I'm having a really tough time getting open with that Tyrannosaurus out there."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like someone needs some "sake" to settle their tummy...
hehehe.
Mansome! That’s my new word. Thanks, buddy!
I'm not your "buddy", pa...
oh, crap, not again…
"Coach, I'm having a really tough time getting open with that Tyrannosaurus out there."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 10, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions

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