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Navy at Notre Dame Open Thread

Navy Midshipmen at Notre Dame Fighting Irish, Oct 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT


Not Again!

Navy and Notre Dame face off for the 85th time this afternoon.  The Mids ride into this game with an ugly 2-5 record but hold a two game winning streak over the Irish.  What was once a free W has become anything but for Notre Dame in the last few seasons.  

This comes in the wake of a brutal week for Notre Dame Fans.  The ugly loss to USC last Saturday Night left the fan base to debate a multitude of issues surrounding the state of the program.  Everything from offensive play calls to piped in music has been debated in earnest across the web this week.  

Hat tip to all of our readers for keeping those discussions as rational and respectful as usual this week.  We should all keep that in mind while we watch Bob Diaco's latest version of "bend but don't break" option defense this afternoon.  Someone remind me that I said that some time around the end of the 1st quarter!

The broadcast starts at 3:30 ET on NBC.

Welcome to your Navy at Notre Dame Open Thread.

The conversation begins after the jump.

Go Irish!

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I think the Kelly "debacle" got blown WAY out of proportion.

Frankly his comments got twisted to be much more extreme than they were in actuality, and even if they weren’t he is well within his rights to demand accountability from the players as well. If they were demanding it from themselves he wouldn’t have to remind them of this.

One could definitely argue that the entire “episode” should have been handled in house but it is what it is. The fact that Rudolph and Clausen weighed in via Twitter almost further proves his point as far as I’m concerned. It falls into that “entitlement” issue that we were discussing when Kelly took over.

When Kelly took over the program I thought there would be a little bit of a natural divide that he would have to manage between the CW guys and his guys.

Bottom line it is high time for these upperclassmen to step up and take their destiny into their own hands. I actually think this whole episode will ultimately prompt them to do just that and in the end the team will actually come out on the other side more closely knit and better for it.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's ND....

Everything gets blown out of proportion :D

Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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by SuperNewb on Oct 29, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

most often by ND fans

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 30, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The frustration is I had hoped they had turned that corner last year

but apparently we’ve still got a ways to go – hopefully the ball starts to roll the right way today!

by jpeters6 on Oct 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I'm at the game so you won't hear from me

I just ask that you observe a moment of silence for me if we lose. I may not make it back alive if that happens.

by burger23 on Oct 29, 2011 2:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Do great things Burgs!

We’ll hold down the fort here.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I won't be around either, we'll be recording and watching later.

Silly kid’s day care scheduling a Halloween party for Saturday morning…

It’s been a rough week, and there’s no end in sight regarding grad school beating me down. I could really use a victory today to pick me up. I don’t care if the players are pissed at Kelly—when you make plays on the field, guys, no one calls you out. Shut up and play.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 29, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I'll be here

and let’s kick some Midshipmen arse!

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Michigan St. stunk today

Cousins under 50% passing and under 100 yards…WOW

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nebraska has dominated them.

I kind of thought that might happen after the miracle finish vs Wiscy last week. Tough to get back up after that and Nebraska has a solid football team. They are especially tough in Lincoln.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whiskey, your thoughts on Urban Meyer's in the booth?

I absolutely love him in the booth, gives such great insight. Spielman, loved him as a Buffalo Bill, but he’s annoying.

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sense we're reaching a defining moment here...

I’ll be in and out… my TV is in the other room.

Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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by SuperNewb on Oct 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Most excellent...glad you're hear rather than at the game.

Your presence at ND Stadium means a loss….

hahaha, j/k, brother

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

2009 Navy was a low point for me

Sucked in every way imagineable that day.

We’ll play better today.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

I’m really looking forward to this game…

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The INT off Floyd's back

was one of the crazier things I’d seen until TJ getting ear-holed.

And until Tommy got stripped by a ghost at Mich

And until Dayne Buckner’ed the snap last week

/drinks
//weeps

by jpeters6 on Oct 29, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I literally came down with a fierce cold within an hour of leaving the stadium

Just an awful day.

But…happy thoughts. Happy thoughts!!!

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Switching up my drink this week....

I’m going from my Sam Adams to straight Guinness, which will accompany my nachos!

It’s time to mix it up a little bit…

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I just cracked a Guinness too

Bottle though—-wish it was draft.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, I have a bottle also...

Draft is sooo much better. Have you tried that new Black Lager yet from Guinness?

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't found it yet

But I’ve seen about 34,582 commercials and I want to try it.

I guess I should head to Consumers, right?

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't tried it either...

I really do, I thought it’s kinda redundant to call anything “Black” by Guinness…

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're going to see music and stuff again, right?

While I hope they figured out they need to change the play list up, I hope they don’t go away from it.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd be shocked

if they dont do that going forward

by jpeters6 on Oct 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Collins liked it.

And I don’t mean the OFD poster. That’s all the endorsement I need. I love that guy. He’s really awesome in person.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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Notre Dame Fightin' Irish + Hawaii Warriors
The Japanese History Podcast

by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 29, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although I'm an ND fan

I will always have a soft spot for Flutie for when he was with the Buffalo Bills…

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Kelly upped the ante?

Gotta agree with Flutie for what we know of the situation

by tlndma on Oct 29, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe maybe not,

don’t want to think of what happens if they lose.

by tlndma on Oct 29, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

The helmets look great under God's light

Or…as much light as there is in South Bend right now.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Did it?

I hope the field is okay

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

BOOM ROASTED

Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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by SuperNewb on Oct 29, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

that's coming back

looked like his elbow hit the ground first

by long time listener on Oct 29, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

GOOD

Teo came to play in a big way it seems

by jpeters6 on Oct 29, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok boys!

Block the FG now

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Looks like this to me on D.

4 DL with normal OLBs playing DE. Responsible for stopping Teich.

Foxy & Slaughter playing OLB & responsible for the QB/Pitch

Teo in the middle free to do nothing but run to the football. If the DL keeps the OL off of him he will have 20+ tackles today.

Mottal playing closer to the LOS, reading pass first then coming up in run support.

Harrison playing Center Field.

Corners covering their receivers until run is confirmed then they come up in support as well.

Anyone else seeing something different?

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

lul wut hammond?

5 dislocations of his throwing elbow? that sounds horrible

by jpeters6 on Oct 29, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

His scheme looks like it is actually going to work just fine.

Slightly different than what the Coach threw out but accomplishing the same objectives for the most part. Only difference is OLBs slow playing the QB when he gets to the edge. Hasn’t been much of an issue yet as Te’o isn’t getting blocked and is showing up on scene to assist. Would like to see those OLB’s just go ahead and pop the QB.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks to me like Te'o has QB spy-type responsibilities.

outside LB are playing QB to pitch, hoping to force inside into Te’o.

by pburns2010 on Oct 29, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like another ND coach needs to make a pilgrimage to Va Tech

for a symposium on special teams coaching.

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by averagegatsby on Oct 30, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flipped to PSU-ILL for about 15 seconds

long enough to hear the announcer say “that makes 4 drives for 7 yards by Illinois”

/B1G FOOTBAW

by jpeters6 on Oct 29, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

We finally got to see Riddick open it up there

He’s not as fast as we think…which I’ve been saying

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Whiskey

Do they want QB to make decisions? hoping he’ll err.

by tlndma on Oct 29, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Not really. The way I understand it the intent is to literally delay the play for a second to allow

more defenders to arrive on scene in support. The problem is that if those guys don’t show up to help for any reason (OL releasing and geting on LBs) then you have one guy standing there responsible for the QB and the Pitch Man.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should really score at will today. Their D is not good. At all.

We have mismatches in the running and passing game. They can’t stop the run or cover any of our receivers. Haven’t even bothered throwing to Eifert yet. This should be a big win. SHOULD BE.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

That was enter sandman i think

for those playing ND rock anthem bingo at home

/NDN head asplode

by jpeters6 on Oct 29, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember we can beat Navy by 50 but it doesn't matter

Cause we’re supposed to.

/NDNation’d

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume by now everyone has seen this

But its awesome so relinking it anyway.

Of course – we could win this game 100-0 and there will still be plenty of NDN posts bemoaning how we didn’t run more.
/Harumph Fullbacks!

by jpeters6 on Oct 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t hate Navy…

Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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by SuperNewb on Oct 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

GO IRISH

BEAT NAVY

SUCK IT TERRORISTS

GO IRISH GO

by pburns2010 on Oct 29, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Being a hundred pounds heavier than everybody you tackle helps.

Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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by SuperNewb on Oct 29, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did NBC just play a modern song to take us to commercial?

We’re breaking down barriers, people.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

snowing and sleeting in NYC

Surprised to see it sunny and mild in South Bend. One my favorite games of all-time was beating Penn State in the snow. Which, now that I think about it, was almost 20 years ago. God I’m old.

by long time listener on Oct 29, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

May I suggest Navy wearing blue pants for this game?

Always looks like a intra-squad scrimmage.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Two backs with Rees!!!

And….we derp it up.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

The meltdown begins

Let’s bring in crist now and get this tied now

I want to get it out of the way

by Freneau on Oct 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I've been a Tommy supporter all year...

but, I’m starting to sour on him the more I see him this season

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

That was pretty awesome.

I don’t know WTF that safety was doing but I’ll take it.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Why was Weis never able to do this?

We somehow could never crack 30 against navy

by Freneau on Oct 29, 2011 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Allen & Hughes weren't that good

Neithe were Duncan, Young, et al.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, I think Allen was pretty good

just hurt a lot. I think that OL could have been good if Latina hadn’t been the coach until the last year

by jpeters6 on Oct 29, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

35 points in the first half?

Is 42 out of the realm?

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

no, it isn't

Especially if we keep getting the ball at the 45.

by long time listener on Oct 29, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

But I’m glad the question’s in play. I was getting awfully damn pessimistic after that USC game.

by Shinons* on Oct 29, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I really wish he'd read safties better

Does that too often. Too me, even worse than the pick threat is the potential of getting your receiver KTFO.

by Shinons* on Oct 29, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Wood in the open field

But I don’t like illegal blocks in the back

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

So much for not running that play...

And again Rees threw it backwards

Helluva catch

by Freneau on Oct 29, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Was definitely down

But yo, Wood….don’t do that…

by Shinons* on Oct 29, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeez...

Isn’t an elbow = down?

by Freneau on Oct 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Going for it on 4th?

That’s it, running up the score. I would get points off for “Running up the Score” in NCAA ’12

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by jkra0512 on Oct 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

The Mist with a TD

Speaking of which….

When was our last 10+ TD season from a RB?

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, not even close

I always thought he got more touchdowns…apparently not. Anyways, answer is his backfield mate in 2003, Julius Jones.

by Shinons* on Oct 29, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

We were denied a vintage goodman fair catch

by Freneau on Oct 29, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

It's called a reverse jinx MC!

Now you’ve jinxed the reverse jinx!!

The world might end now.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

I let the team know your picks. Angry Irish!

by Michael Collins on Oct 29, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It can't be said enough

Our helmets look awesome

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Riddick too.

I’d like to see the younger guys too. Big hole next yr after Floyd leaves.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This ref is just making up hand signals now

He just did a clap before a first down motion

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Intro to Econ for that Navy player???

I took that in 7th grade

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF, giving kids candy today?

It’s not Halloween yet! Make em wait!

by Shinons* on Oct 29, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I hear a guitar tuning up...

Sound like the Voodoo Child might be coming in soon…

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Stuffed!

So nice to see us be able to keep Teich from converting a 4th and 2. Progress!

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Cooooool.

So uh…yeah. What’s everyone going as for Halloween?

by Shinons* on Oct 29, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

LNIII

Gonna scare crap outta people

by tlndma on Oct 29, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

LED ZEPPELIN TAKING US TO COMMERCIAL!!!!!

IT’S A NEW ERA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

You don't?

2nd fav band, yo.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beatles of course

The Doors being my fav American band.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definately don’t have an LZ thing…..more alternative….going to see pixies tmrw.

by tlndma on Oct 29, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I pretty much like all Classic Rock.

E is a little more fanatical about the LZ specifically.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

One week later,

commentators still all about Barkley

by pburns2010 on Oct 29, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Adidas doesn't have a belt in this pants if you've noticed

Players have resorted to taping their waists…..nice Adidas.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Been looking & still don't see them.

Murtaugh posted some pictures of these pants a while back and the ones in the photo he posted definitely had no belts in them.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure the Adidas TECHFIT pants don't have belts

To help make them lighter.

I think some guys are taping their waists, and others might have sewen strings into the pants and tie them.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 29, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I

definately see belts

by tlndma on Oct 29, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 TO's = 2 Navy TDs.

Still don’t get why Tommmmy is out there with the 2s. Just put 12 on the field. BK just wanted to make sure he gave everyone something to bitch about this week eh!

by whiskey OFD on Oct 29, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Can’t wait for Navy alma Mater…..curb stomped!…….As it should be

by tlndma on Oct 29, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Just finished watching it. Nice game, gents. Glad to not come home to a nailbiter.

"HEY! The inspiring speech is my bit, and I'm not going to let some fancypants Nobel Laureate take it away from me."
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by Kelly's Gyros on Oct 29, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

GAH!!!! My freaking DVR corrupted the file!!!

My electronics are out to get me… Never had a problem saving losses, but the wins… I never get to watch those late.

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by averagegatsby on Oct 30, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

kewl... I left right after the first ND touchdown.

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