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Going Off The Rails? Looking at the Notre Dame Stadium Atmosphere Against USC

Saturday night's atmosphere at Notre Dame Stadium could be described in a myriad of ways, depending on who you talk to.  Intense.  Odd.  Loud.  Ozzy.  Surreal.  Crazy Train.  Uncomfortable.      

Fanning the flames of those feelings were the comments by Brian Kelly yesterday when asked about a video screen in the stadium.  Personally, I don't understand the huge reaction to his comments, even from some normally sane Irish fans.  He was asked a question about a jumbotron.  His response is to either answer that question with his pre-established position on the issue and move on, or what, exactly?  No comment a question about a Jumbotron?  "No comments" should be saved for actual controversial issues that need avoided, not a question about a video screen. 

A few thoughts on the atmosphere this past weekend night:

If the goal of the music was simply to get people loud, then it achieved success.  People were jacked up the whole night, even as we all began to realize that maybe Notre Dame should have expanded the playlist a bit.  You can edit the song choices in the future, but the main objective of increasing the volume in the stadium was a success.  If you want to debate how much of that was on the twelve hours of tailgating preceding the game, the opponent, the kickoff or the music, that's fair, but things did get noticeably louder when the music was turned on.

The use of "Shipping Up to Boston" before the opening kickoff was a fantastic choice.  We should focus on that kind of stuff - Dropkick Murphys, The Pogues - and try to stay away from generic arena rock that is older than the students attending the game.  I had a friend sitting in the USC section who somberly recalled how they laughed maniacally at our continued use of "Crazy Train."  Let's not do that again.  In general, the music selection sounded like it was coming from someone who had sort of watched college football and thought they understood what music should be played, but didn't really understand A) Music or B) Notre Dame, save for the previously mentioned "Shipping."  When they played "Enter Sandman," Virginia Tech's anthem, I assumed it was a matter of time before we heard "Zombie Nation" or "Jump Around."  It was like a college football music's greatest hits, with greatest being used ironically. 

While we're making technological innovations to Notre Dame Stadium, how about improving cell service or installing wireless so smart phones are actually worth having?  Most of the people I know either A) Turn their phones off or B) Put them on airplane mode during the games.  This is 2011, and it's not like it's a surprise so many people are going to be in the Stadium on a given weekend.  

Overall, the crowd was great the whole night, especially when you consider the 17-0 deficit and series of back-breaking turnovers in the second half.  I also want to give credit to NDSP and the other tailgate patrollers.  We were set up right outside of Gate C of the Stadium on the grass and would have been an ideal party to crack down on, but we were left relatively unbothered.  Early in the morning an officer in a car asked us to move our cornhole board off the road (a reasonable request), and we responded by picking it up, waiting until he went around the corner and putting it back down (an equally reasonable response.)  There was no protesting the piñata assault on the tree just across from Frank Leahy's statue, or the Mad Dog Merry-Go-Round on the same patch of grass.  Thank you, NDSP.  Our friends kept it (relatively) clean, and you didn't attack us with horses. 

I was at Yankee Stadium for the Army game last year and thought the giant video board there was used in a very nice, unobtrusive, complementary way.  I don't think the music selection this past weekend was ideal, but it wasn't the end of the world and not completely terrible for a first try.  Nothing about either game changed my position on the jumbotron: I don't think we necessarily need it, but I think it will probably do more good than harm when installed, so I don't really care.  I think it's good to remember that Knute Rockne was the ultimate innovator and would have demanded the biggest HD screen in the world if he thought it gave him the slightest edge.  People throw around the word tradition a lot, but really it just means "What Notre Dame was like when I went there."    

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I am sure we could add...

Flogging Molly to that playlist, they have quite a few pretty rockin’ songs. Anything but Crazy Train every third down. I put that in my NCAA ’12 game and I officially sick of it after one game.

CW good stuff, my friend.

Anti Internet Tough Guy

by jkra0512 on Oct 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, agreed on Flogging Molly

I’m a fan. I think the Drunken Lullabies intro would be great…

by Shinons* on Oct 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crawling from the Wreckage

It sounded more like a Dave Edmunds song midway through the 4th quarter.

by somacs on Oct 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I must confess

I don’t really like Dropkick Murphy’s

Yeah I get it, bagpipes and distorted guitars with some yelling and stuff. Not that I think they are a terrible choice, but I think we can do better. Plus, the lyrics to “Shipping up to Boston” come on now.

I’m a sailor peg
And I lost my leg
I climbed up the topsails
I lost my leg
I’m shipping up to Boston

The song isn’t that much of the pump up variety to justify such silly lyrics and the fact that Boston College uses it too (so I’ve heard).

As already mentioned in the other thread, we should limit the 3rd down music to only when the opponent gets deep in Irish territory or in close games.

May I suggest “Immigrant Song”?

The intro would be kick ass I do believe and they could end it right after the lyrics “The hammer of the Gods.”

Sign me up.

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Like the Zeppelin...

but of course, I am a fan. Crazy train was driving me nuts watching at home on television, so I could only imagine how it was if you were there…

by Jim Miesle on Oct 27, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're going to shake down the thunder with some music

We might want to look towards this guy, right?

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 27, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played sir...

On a completely different train of thought, why not move the next USC game to a noon start? I bet those west coast boys would find things to complain about then…

by Jim Miesle on Oct 27, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That song is only famous because it was on The Departed...

The Gauntlet would be a good…Heck, maybe even Good Rats.

Lyrics to the Gauntlet go like this (picking up in mid-song):

They’re gonna come when you’re not ready
when you’re not too well-prepared
they’re gonna prey upon your weakness
no man’s soul is ever spared
you’ve got to stand up, yeah, and fight them
show them what it’s all about
this man is not for sale
there will be no backing down.

[Chorus:]
Stand up and fight and I’ll stand up with you
We shall succeed,
Stand up and fight and I’ll stand up with you

The chorus begs to be shouted!! C’mon now!

Anti Internet Tough Guy

by jkra0512 on Oct 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

As in the group Enigma…I can see playing the Gregorian hip-hop chant from MCMXC A.D. while the Irish are warming up on the field, although the song title is not ND administrative friendly:

“Principles Of Lust: Sadeness/Find Love/Sadeness” :-)

by borromini on Oct 27, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we have to have music, there are lots of good options

I’m sure we could even take some old traditional Irish tunes and amp them up a bit. “Fare Thee Well Enniskillen” up tempo with electric guitars? Ok, maybe that’s far fetched.

But the big improvement would be the cell reception: my Verizon phone was a paperweight at the USF game, and Verizon is rumored to have better reception than other carriers. Oy.

Last thing: I won’t get dragged into a knock-down over the meaning of tradition, but it means a lot more than either “what would Rock have done” or “what it was when I was there.” In fact, the latter is closer to the truth. Tradition means respecting and preserving what the people who came before you did: it means giving your predecessors a vote, so to speak. It likewise means recognizing that just we happen to be alive, or in charge, at the present does not mean that we own everything we put our hands on: sometimes those things have merely been entrusted to our care, to be kept safe for future generations. Maybe Rockne would have grabbed a video board, but Rockne wasn’t in an analogous position: he was making something out of nothing, so he was free to do essentially as he pleased. We already have something in hand, so we can’t pretend we’re playing with a blank slate.

by TitusND on Oct 27, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Titus you touch on an important point

There is always a delicate balance between stewardship of tradition and continued progression. Nothing is frozen in time.

I think the beauty of Notre Dame stadium is the starkness of it. The playing surface is free of logos. The wooden bench seats look and feel like they are 100 years old. There are NO advertisements.

I’m okay with the piped in music as long as we improve the usage of it. I’m also okay with the video screens if they are tastefully done. Use them for replays and ND centric clips. Keep ads off of them and they can potentially add to the experience.

That said the fan base will never unanimously agree on the “right” usage of video screens or music.

So those currently responsible for that stewardship and progression have some tough decisions to make knowing that they will never please the entire fan base.

Hold on too tight you can lose relevance with the modern youth. Push forward in the wrong way and you start losing some alumni. The compromise is a tough target to identify.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Truer words

have never been spoken:

“People throw around the word tradition a lot, but really it just means “What Notre Dame was like when I went there.” "

by Irishane on Oct 27, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Phones

Could the phone problem be so many phones in such a confined area???

Being there, I felt the 3rd down music helped get the crowd involved faster. As soon as the music started, people realized it was time to make some noise.

by tlndma on Oct 27, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Audio Cue

I do think the idea of a 3rd down song or sound effect is a good idea. At OSU and elsewhere they play the bell from Hells Bells (note: not the entire beginning of the song, that would cause people to hate it like we hated Crazy Train). Whatever that noise is, we could play that, then fade into a song (preferably a rotating blend of 4-5 different ones? or no song at all, just a sound effect?). It would give the audio clue that its time to get rowdy without repeating the same 20 second clip of 80s rock over and over.

by NDZibby on Oct 27, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched the Miami/UVA game last night...

and Miami played that warning siren every 3rd down…got pretty annoying. Mostly because I hate Miami and I’m glad they lost last night…

Anti Internet Tough Guy

by jkra0512 on Oct 28, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would you have believed that Miami would lose to UVA

If Jacory Harris went 21 of 30 for 311 yards and 3 TD’s with no picks?

And then Case Keenum was like, “Yo check out my stats, ya’ll!!!”

24 of 37 for 534 yards with 9 touchdowns and 1 pick.

9 TOUCHDOWNS IN ONE GAME!!!!

Sky rockets in flight.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 28, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I kept seeing the updates during the UVA/Miami game...

Case Keenum, really? As if holding the NCAA record wasn’t enough, now he’s out to destroy the old record by a ton…9 TDs in a game when all you needed was 5 to have the record and still have a quarter of the season to go? Wow…Go Keenum and go Houston! lol

Anti Internet Tough Guy

by jkra0512 on Oct 28, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anything is possible...

when you have 6 years in college. Yes, 6 years thanks to a medical hardship waiver from the NCAA. Do you call those numbers untouchable? Perhaps, but I think I will put Kellen Moore’s wins at QB as the most untouchable when it is all said and done. They guy has lost two games in college. Two. That’s it.

by Jim Miesle on Oct 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right on...

I didn’t know he was in school for 6 freakin’ years…I’d rather recognize what a player has accomplished over a regular four-year career, so BAD KEENUM! BAD HOUSTON!

Anti Internet Tough Guy

by jkra0512 on Oct 28, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Explanation for the music choices.

I’m sure you’re all aware of the shall we say…lack of variety in the music choices played on Saturday, well i can explain that, as i mentioned last time i posted here, i’m in the marching band and know a few people who were involved in the conversation about playing recorded music…apparently the decision to allow recorded music wasn’t finalized till late thursday night, and any song to be played still had to be approved by the admin, so basically instead of an actual plan for what to play, they just asked the players to come up with a impromtu list at the end of practice, and the songs that got approved well we had the rights to use like 6 of them. Basically it was a pretty last minute deal, it should be considerablly better the next time, speaking of which i do no know if recorded music is going to be a regular thing or if that was more of a special occasion deal. eh will see.

by Illinois Irish on Oct 27, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Question for you Illinois

How did the band overall feel about them piping in the songs on 3rd down? Were people upset that it took away from the band? Felt it was a nice adjunct to what you guys do?

I know there’s been some talk that they should pump you guys through the PA system somehow instead.

by Irishane on Oct 28, 2011 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I know we were piped in through the PA for the USC game,

there were mics down by our bleacher at least. As for piping in songs in the 3rd…I personally am ok with it, i just wish they wouldn’t do it EVERY third down and dear god get some variety, singing crazy train has turned into basically an inside joke among the band this week.

by Illinois Irish on Oct 28, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

ND Band was NOT piped into the stadium PA

during the SC game. I was in the West corner of the South end zone – the opposite corner of the stadium from the ND band and across the field from the SC band. The ND band was definitely not piped into the stadium PA – what we heard was from across the field, not via the PA. In fact, in ~20 years I don’t believe I’ve ever heard the ND band through the stadium PA.

When both bands were playing simultaneously, it was just jumbled noise. You had to really try to understand what either band was playing. Of course, the SC band only knows two songs, which they play ad nauseum, so it’s pretty easy to figure out what they’re playing.

And thanks, we really love it when the smaller ND ‘satellite band’ makes its way up and around the upper bowl to play a few ND songs in the third quarter – great stuff. So thanks for that!
By the way, why doesn’t the ND band salute the opponent by playing the opponents’ fight song before the game the way they did in the past? I always thought that showed some real versatility and class on the part of the ND band, and kind of awed the opponents’ fans. Then that would be followed by the greatest of ALL university fight songs – the Notre Dame Victory March. That used to be a really cool sequence of the pre-game.

by cmhirish on Oct 28, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was sitting in the corner above the flagpole and the band.

It was pretty clear to me that the band’s music was not piped in, despite the presence of the microphones. I wonder if those were NBC microphones.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Oct 28, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info.

That is very insightful. I hope that you continue to stop by and share these things with us. I am really curious to see if the music etc. is present again this Saturday.

by whiskey OFD on Oct 28, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

cell phones

We have the same cell phone problem in Norman Ok. Phone is basically a paperweight. AT&T even installed amplifiers in the stadium and I didn’t see much of a difference. As for the music, it was cool hearing it on tv. The first time crazy train was played the crowd went nuts. Of course it lost it’s effect after the tenth time. One song that would be cool hearing when the team first comes out of the tunnel would be Four Leaf Clover by Metallica. Just my two cents.

by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Oct 28, 2011 6:31 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

I hit the "enter" key before I finished my comment.

I don’t know the names of the songs, but I thought the song played at kickoffs was great. The playing of the music I also heard in Michigan Stadium during our game was cool.

The Ozzy Osborne stuff on every third down just got obnoxious. I hear other stadiums play similar stuff over and over, on every third down and it just gets tedious (funeral bells for every third down? Really? – that wasn’t in our stadium but we’ve all heard it in many others).

Overall, I thought the stadium atmosphere was impressive, and the crowd was rowdy. That’s what made the run-back on Crist’s fumble so painful. Right after it happened, a small part of the band appeared right near our section and played the fight song or something like that and they were met with shocked stares and deafening stunned silence. That was what hurt. After hanging in there with the team and really cheering and yelling all game, to have that play shut us down right when we were about to explode (when we tied up the game) really let the air out fast. I could just feel it even when Gray scored his TD to make it 24-17 that everyone figured something weird would happen to kill us (didn’t take long).

I have long maintained that the stadium will be noisy again and a tough place to play when the team starts winning consistently. Otherwise, all that piped in noise is just noise. I live in Denver and have been at Rockies’ games where the stadium is about 1/4 full, and when they play all that crap on the PA system, it’s just pathetic.

Let’s win some games and the crowd will be there. The crowd was there Saturday night right up until Crist’s fumble.

Go Irish!

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Oct 28, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Song Suggestion

A more pumped up version of the theme song from ‘Boondock Saints’ would work. Here is the original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkT2wW3-1jQ

Plus, let’s not forget the Dropkick Murphys version of ND’s fight song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7E9PvOg9E4). Get about 30 seconds in and it gets pretty rock n’ roll and would easily pump a crowd up.

by jgalvan on Nov 1, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

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