Why Notre Dame Really Needs to Beat Michigan in 2011
by Eric Murtaugh on May 6, 2011 9:39 AM EDT
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PrintIt’s been almost four full months since Brady Hoke was hired at Michigan, allowing that program to swiftly change course from the Rich Rodriguez era in this new year.
A while back I put some thoughts out there on the Hoke hiring in Ann Arbor and I still feel the same way today as I did then. You could make the case (as many UM fans most certainly will) that Hoke has already made significant strides in turning the program around, but we’re still a long ways away from taking that temperature.
Let’s see what things are like in October.
I usually proceed with caution when talking about Michigan mainly because it is beyond embarrassing that we’ve lost the last two matchups and also four out of the last five games against the Wolverines.
Say what you want about the losses to Navy and Tulsa, but losing to Michigan is a major thorn in my side (especially when you combine how the past two losses have occurred). And yes, I think both Navy and Tulsa beat Michigan if they played last year.
Some people might recoil in horror and exclaim, "How can you say that?"
Well, look at it this way: We’ve struggled against Navy in recent years when their program and talent level has been as high as it’s ever been since the post-Vietnam era. Moreover, we lost to a 10-win Tulsa team and a program that (except for 2009) has been one of the best non-AQ schools in the country winning 53 games since 2005.
On the other hand, Michigan has suffered what is likely the three worst years their storied program has ever endured. Their overall talent level (particularly on defense) is as low as it has probably ever been in mine or your lifetime.
And yet we still lose.
I RESPECT.
Oh, we’ve had our own struggles to be sure, but I think it’s been pretty clear Notre Dame has been the better team and program over the past couple seasons.
Yet we haven’t proved it on the scoreboard, and that is what is so frustrating.
So while I’d like to stay humble and not write a check I can’t cash, I think it’s important to note that once again Notre Dame will be the more talented team in 2011, and that we simply must beat Michigan.
What’s so Scary about Michigan? (Says all other Top 25 teams)
There are three issues that Notre Dame fans have to worry about for the upcoming 2011 game in September.
1.) There’s Some Sort of Curse
I have no other way of explaining the past two losses to Michigan than to say the football god’s simply did not want the Irish winning those games.
Of course I take those losses and try to make the best out of them, convincing myself that in the long run it will only make the players and program stronger for battling back and overcoming the adversity in lieu of some greener pastures in the near future.
But then I wonder, is the curse over now?
In 2009 we played what was likely one of the best offensive performances of the Charlie Weis era and perhaps Jimmy Clausen’s finest game on a big stage against a close rival. Our defense wasn’t great and Michigan played competently, but Notre Dame was simply better.
The officiating was as bad as I’ve ever seen, there was an untimely fumble deep in our own territory, Golden Tate dropped two crucial passes (probably the only significant drops he had over three years), Floyd gets hurt, and of course Shaq Evans ran the wrong route on third down…the football god’s made sure of that one!
Moreover, last year’s loss defies explanation in a lot of respects.
Have you tried recapping that game to someone who didn’t watch it? It contained some of the most ridiculous events in school history, you know, like our quarterback inexplicably losing sight in one eye and missing half the game.
It’s not important to relive the events of the past two meetings between Notre Dame and Michigan, but what is relevant is that there must be some sort of curse in play here.
Not that I’m 100% serious about that, but a win in 2011 would do a lot to disprove me, while another loss seriously makes it a harsh reality.
2.) Denard Robinson
There are a couple players on Michigan’s roster that you could debate might start over someone at Notre Dame (Mike Martin comes to mind), but Denard Robinson is the only player you can honestly say is flat out better than anyone the Irish have.
Just think about that for a moment.
I wouldn’t say we’re better at every single 22 positions on each side of the ball, but it’s pretty damn close.
Yet the specter of Shoelaces looms large indeed.
But what is Robinson’s productivity going to look like in a new offense?
I still think he’ll be a good quarterback, but count me as one of the people who thinks he’s not going to be as big of a threat as he was last year.
There’s a lot of talk in the Michigan quarters that this new offense is going to be more productive at scoring and despite some gaudy yardage totals under Rich Rod, this Hoke-led team is going to make plays when it matters with toughness up front.
I’d be very skeptical of this working in the first season.
I WANT BRIAN KELLY TO OWN YOU.
Here’s what we know: Michigan has a good offensive line. They aren’t great but they are going to be one of the better units in the Big Ten. That’s a plus for them and a major reason why a lot of people have high hopes for the offense.
Yet, the running backs are not that impressive and this is a HUGE problem.
You can’t really out-physical teams on offense with a collection of backs that are either small or simply not that talented. These running backs should have been flourishing in Rodriguez’ offensive system (even more so with teams keying in on Robinson) and yet they did not.
In Rodriguez’ last season at West Virginia he had seven players get at least 10 carries (not including starting QB Pat White) and those players racked up rushing averages of 5.0, 8.6, 6.7, 5.8, 6.6, 9.4 and 5.9.
Last year Michigan runners put up 4.4, 5.4 and 4.1.
Not that a 4.65 average is terrible, but it's certainly not that good in a run-based offense with an All-American/Heisman-like/History-esque performance from the QB running the show.
And it certainly shouldn't scare too many teams that Michigan is going to line up in I-formation or heavy sets and suddenly over power teams or run the ball at will.
The Wolverines are going to still maintain some aspects of the spread offense (we’ll still see plenty shotgun and option play from the QB), but it’s not very realistic to think that this group is going to flourish, which is exactly what will need to happen to ease the transition to a new offense and help Denard out.
I look at Michigan’s offense and I can’t help but think they are making everything harder on Denard Robinson, and that is a huge positive for Notre Dame and any other teams that face the Wolverines.
Of course he’s still going to be a playmaker, but those huge passing lanes are going to be minimized, his running skills won’t be as dynamic, and there’s very little evidence to suggest he’ll get a lot of help from the rest of the offense in this transition period.
Over the long run Michigan is probably better off returning to a more traditional pro-style offense (or something along those lines depending on what Borges actually does), but it would be shocking if their offense didn’t have big problems adjusting in 2011.
Then again, Robinson might only complete 3 balls into the fourth quarter and then go 6 for 6 on a game-winning drive to seal the victory against Notre Dame (see issue No. 1 above).
3.) It’s a Night Game on the Road
If you’re scoring at home there’s only one topic that has to deal with actual on-field issues and even then it’s simply one player (good as he may be).
We’re 1-5 in our last six games inside the Big House and it’s going to be a mad scene in the first ever night game in Ann Arbor.
As long as Michigan doesn’t completely fall apart in the first game with a new system, they should dispatch Western Michigan in their opener and come in with a lot of confidence.
HAVE TO GET MORE THAN A HAND ON SHOELACES.
Unless we absolutely demolish USF in our opener we can’t really be too confident that we’re going to take a trip north and lay down a beating or even come away with an easy win.
It’s just that simple.
You’ve Spoken about their Offense---What about their Defense?
They’re going to be better because that’s the only route they can take.
If I’m being kind I’d say they are pretty good up front, but there’s certainly not a lot to be scared about. The secondary per recent Michigan custom is not good at all.
Brady Hoke has been recruiting very hard right now and is experiencing some success already. With new DC Greg Mattison coming over from the Ravens and likely whispering in every recruit’s ear, "I coached Ray Lewis," it’s no surprise that UM has reeled in four quality linebackers for the 2012 class.
I’m expecting their defense to improve and for the offense to take a step back from last year. I’m not really sure that combination is going to result in many wins for Michigan in 2011, mostly because they are still leaps and bounds away from having a defense with talented, experienced, and quality players across the two-deep.
This means Notre Dame absolutely must go to Ann Arbor this September and take home a victory.
We just have to!
I’m inclined to believe that Notre Dame is on track to have a really good season in 2011 and losing the second game of the season desperately needs to be avoided.
It’s talked about often and is very true: Notre Dame will never be "back" as a real player on the national scene until they start taking care of business against Michigan and Michigan State early in the season.
We need one of those hot starts (an undefeated September and/or a nice 6-0 start) that isn’t hollow like the 2002 one, and beating Michigan is the major part of that equation and something that has to start becoming a common occurrence as long as that program remains stuck in neutral.
This will likely be the fifth straight year that Michigan comes into this contest against Notre Dame unranked. In all of the games between the schools stretching back to 1942, Michigan came in unranked exactly once.
If we are ever to regain our dignity at a national level we will need to start beating really good Michigan teams, and stop losing to very mediocre ones.
Hopefully, a renewed effort to bolster the Fighting Irish defense will help and I think those efforts are finally going to start paying off in the next year or two especially.
In Notre Dame’s last four losses to Michigan, the Irish have given up an average of almost 38(!) points per game.
Yeah, that needs to stop.
It’s not like I’m explaining the secret code of the universe or delivering some groundbreaking idea here, but in Notre Dame’s last three victories over Michigan, the Irish have given up an average of just under 16 points per game.
Play well on defense, contain Denard Robinson, and Notre Dame likely wins the ball game.
This program needs a big win over Michigan really bad.
Is there any other team we need to exercise demons against more than the Wolverines? Perhaps Michigan State, or Navy?
What do you say?
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You win with defense as our November showed. We defensed Robinson well in the second half and almost beat them having used our first string QB for only half of the game. I anticipate more defensive pressure on them. I’d bet our OL would rather face Martin than Lynch.
Greg Mattison was their most important hire and will impact the program long-term. Great LB haul for 2012, as you said. ND is their most important early season game, too, for many of the same reasons.
They remind me a lot of the rebuilding Notre Dame with the rallying around the new coach, need to recruit different players to fit their new schemes, and need to instill motivations, ethics and a change in culture.
by Michael Collins on May 6, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
It’s been driving me crazy as well that no matter how bad Michigan is, they still manage to beat us. Unlucky breaks are what you expect to see from a team who played Michigan both of the last two years with the attitude of “don’t screw this up” – which we did. The biggest difference we have now is that I believe our players expect to win, and instead of thinking they better win because they are the better team (an attitude that resulted in several losses the last few years), they are going into Michigan next year with the attitude of we will OWN you! We all knew we were screwed when Crist went down last year, but I suspect this year if anyone gets injured, or even if Floyd isn’t starting, the team will still have the attitude that this is their game to win. I don’t mean this will be a blowout, but we do finally have the attitude of a team that expects to take what belongs to us – a W over a team with lesser talent. BK knows how to motivate this team, and I think we will all see it on display under the lights of the Big House.
All that said, I expect us to win, everyone to claim ND is “back”, and Michigan to go on to a 5-7 season.
by Jeremy on May 6, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions
Mattison was a good hire, although I’m less bullish on him than most.
1. He’s getting pretty old. Typically your really good DC’s are much younger and energetic (Will Muschamp comes to mind). I don’t think it’s problem right now, but check back in a year or two if things aren’t going as well.
2. His resume is very good, but not as great as some make it out to be. He did well originally at Michigan, but then they won a title the year he left. His time at ND left a lot to be desired. His time at UF is probably the high water mark as far as I’m concerned, but you do have to wonder how much of that was pure talent from the Gator players.
His experience with the Ravens is going to be a big boost on the recruiting trail, but it’s hardly like he was the molder of that defense. They’ve been dominating on defense for over 10 years in Baltimore, again suggesting it’s the players and not really the coaches.
3. I wonder how he (and the program) will handle any perceived failures. I look at someone like Monte Kiffin (who by all accounts is regarded as a much better defensive mind, coordinator, and coach) and how he struggled in his 1st year at So Cal. And Kiffin has a lot more talent to work with.
What happens if going into year three Michigan’s defense is still mediocre?
I said it before, Mattison was a good hire for sure, but I would have been more afraid of an up and coming coach like Muschamp and Stoops used to be (or even Diaco) being in Ann Arbor…someone who is young and energetic and you know is going to be around for a while building a great program on defense.
by Eric Murtaugh on May 6, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
Jeremy,
Good points, that type of attitude that BK is putting into these players gets me really excited.
by Eric Murtaugh on May 6, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Blanton said it best after the Utah game… " All we do is win win win no matter what"
by James on May 6, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think I can handle another loss to a subpar Michigan team. It’s one thing to lose to them when their defense features Lemarr Woodley and Leon Hall, it’s another when their defense is the worst in school history.
I just hope that they try to make Denard Robinson a passer. He doesn’t scare me at all in that capacity, and if they could just go ahead and eliminate some of his running plays, that would be great. Turn him into a pocket passer, I’m all for it.
One thing Notre Dame has going for them this season is that, no matter what, they won’t have to rely on a former walk-on at QB for a half. No one ever seems to mention this, but Kelly panicked too early with Rees in that game. I know he threw a bad INT on his first pass, but I think it was pretty obvious that Rees was much better than Nate Montana. Nate Montana was a freaking joke, and he can thank his daddy for giving him that last name so he could come in and show his non-skills. Nate Smith never gets that opportunity over Tommy Rees, I’m positive.
Notre Dame is a lot better defensively now than they were in week 2 last season. It was night and day between their performance against Michigan and their performance against USC, and I expect that level to be maintained going into this season, and hopefully improved upon some more. I just don’t think Denard Robinson will tear Notre Dame up again like that, and as I said, even if Notre Dame loses a QB or two there are other scholarship QBs ready to go.
by Chris on May 6, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting fact about the ND-Michigan rivalry: no coach has EVER lost their first two match-ups against the opposition.
As far as your comments on Greg Mattison, I have to agree. There are too many things going against him for it to be a home run hire. I think it was Hoke embracing the history/tradition/past and appeasing the fan base more than anything. The guy probably only has a few years left of coaching and has been successful with great talent, something UofM is missing right now on the defense. While ulitmately better than Greg Robinson, it will take a few years worth of recruiting to undo the damage done by RR.
Denard Robinson is very talented, but how does he fit into the new offensive system? I agree that he runs a lot less (due to durability issues over the course of the Big Ten season), but the skill position talent in AA isn’t great. RR recruited speed over size, so they have to out-finesse the opposition.
Ultimately, the wolverines are a few years behind the ND-Weis-BK curve and I don’t think they can hope for much more than a .500 record (+/- a game) this year and even next year. The attitude is definitely changing (did you see the remarks from the LB that just verbaled to Michigan—saying they would "beat the tar out of Notre Dame and Ohio State), so I fully expect some epic match-ups in years to come. This is one of the few years that it is probably better to play this team in September vs. November, which is really saying something.
by Jim Miesle on May 6, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Chris,
Good points, I think the new UM offense is going to do a lot of that work for us in making Robinson a pocket passer. I fully expect them to eventually lean towards shotgun much more often and running read options, but I am excited at the thought of playing them in week two and DR taking some snaps under center and trying to be a real pocket passer.
by Eric Murtaugh on May 6, 2011 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
Jim,
Is that really true? Wow that’s pretty crazy.
I agree 100 percent with your comments. We’ll see a little bit of improvement out of their defense, but it’s going to take at least 3 years before they are back to having what anyone should consider a “strong” defense.
by Eric Murtaugh on May 6, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
Agree with the overall sentiment. I still can’t believe that last year vs. Michigan happened. We owe them some embarrassment.
It’s interesting to me that much of the discussion revolves around Michigan’s new DC and not their head coach. I think Mattison will begin to put together respectable defenses if given time to replace and develop their thin secondary. There is little doubt that they will be better on D starting game 1 compared to last year. The concerns that he is too old seem far fetched to me… he’s got a ton of experience at a number of high profile places, and GERG was their coordinator last year.
When Hoke announced his staff, I couldn’t help but wonder if Mattison would have been a better choice for head coach. I just wonder how Michigan can get themselves excited for a head coach with a career 47-50 record. I liked the point Eric made that had he not coached at Michigan before he would not have even been considered for the job.
by Joe Mather on May 6, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
I really think age of a DC is important. It doesn’t mean he won’t succeed but there isn’t much time left so to speak and there really aren’t that many DC’s in their 60’s in CFB, let alone ones that are highly successful.
I think being young and energetic, being able to somewhat relate to the players, is critically important for a DC, probably more so than any other coach on the staff. That’s why you see so many relatively young DC’s out there.
You can have an older head coach because they play more of a fatherly CEO role, but not DC’s.
Here are just some of the top defenses or top schools in the country and their DC’s with age:
Steele (53)
M. Stoops (43)
Foster (51)
Venables (40)
Diaz (37)
DeRuyter (48)
Pelini (45)
Bradley (mid-50’s)
Bumpas (mid-50’s)
Smart (35)
Roof (47)
Chavis (54)
Just quickly scanning the list I saw a few guys over 60, but not many. Ohio State has Heacock (62), but also Fickell (37) as a co-DC.
by Eric Murtaugh on May 6, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
There are plenty of reasons why ND should throat stomp the skunkbears in 2011, just like there were plenty of reasons for ND to be favored heading into the 2009 and 2010 contests.
I’m not comfortable listing all the reasons we should win, because we’ve gone out of our way to find ways to lose to the hated skunkbears over the last 5 years.
I’ll just say that this should be the first real litmus test regarding the 2011 season. If we play up to our potential, look out Sparty, and 6-0 here we come. But if we play down to scUM’s level yet again, we could be in for a long season.
by Whiskeyjack on May 6, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
Courage, man! By God we’ll give those effers a blousing this year they won’t soon forget.
by Indy on May 6, 2011 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
I am a big ND fan living in San Diego. I have been going to quite a few SD State football games over the past couple of years and I watched them on TV every week. Brady Hoke turned SD State around in 1 year sort of like Brian Kelly did at ND. He is way better than Rich Rod matter of fact he is really a defensive minded coach. I don’t ever remember him talking to any of the SD offense players or coaches during a game but he was always around the defense. Also I don’t know where this pro style offense came from, SD State ran a spread offense. This might all have to do with different offensive coordinators between SD State and Michigan. Michigan is going to be way tougher to beat this coming year due to Hoke. The big issue in this game is the officiating. Remember ND signed a contract that has Big 10 officials both on the field and in the replay booth no matter where the MIchigan game is played. The Michigan game is going to be the toughest game of the regular season for ND. With Big 10 officials both on the field and in the booth, ND is going to have to play exceedingly great just to make it close.
by Ted Kazmar on May 6, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
Ted,
Hoke didn’t turn SDSU around in one year, unless you’re counting his second season since he had been there a full year. They were 4-8 in 2009 with no decent wins. I also wouldn’t say BK turned ND around either.
The combination of Hoke and Mattison will help UM’s defense, but you can hardly expect miracles…the talent just isn’t there. It’s going to take a while.
Al Borges is Michigan’s OC and he came with Hoke from SDSU. He is a pro-style coordinator although he does mix things up (as he did at San Diego) and isn’t 100 percent going to ram down a pro-style offense at UM. They’ve already said they’ll still be in shotgun about half the time and they have been running a lot of the same concepts as last year. Still, they have been stressing getting tough up front, establishing a power running game, and having DR takes snaps under center and work on his 3, 5, and 7 step drops while throwing from the pocket.
I really don’t see Hoke turning UM around to such a great degree in mere months that they will be the toughest game the Irish play, even with the terrible officiating.
by Eric Murtaugh on May 6, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
The LB that commited to UM who made the statement that “we(UM) are going to beat the tar out of Ohio and ND,”was Joe Bolden, a real good friend of Jarrett Grace, the LB coming to the Irish this fall. From what I understand was that Bolden was hoping for an offer from ND that never came. When Grace was asked about his buddys remark he basically said I wont get into bulletin board stuff, but he and I do jab back and forth then he said…“I know we play up there this year and I’ll let the school do the talking. He can be in the stands watching the scoreboard.”
GO Irish
by bill on May 7, 2011 8:14 AM EDT reply actions
Couldnt agree more on just about all points. Michigan had no business beating us the last 2 years. I would only say the officiating was not bad in the 09 game, the refs were flat out cheating. Both those losses killed me and we cant have that again. We NEED to beat Michigan this year!!
by Scranton Dave on May 7, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
HAHA! You guys are so cute!
“We Just have to beat them! We (emphasis WE) just HAVE TO!”
So you’ll be the one with the gold helmet on, then, falling to the ground just before the block M as you desperately attempt to reach for Denard Robinson… and fail by about three seconds?
See you then… GO BLUE.
by Brady Hoke on May 13, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
This entire article represents the mentality and arrogance of the ND program: you boast about the ability to out-recruit, out-coach and out-play Michigan, but this overwhelming sense of entitlement is what has led to your demise the past two years. This ‘woulda coulda shoulda’ argument is great in a world where hindsight prevails, but the scoreboard is the final story. Continue to blame officiating, injuries, curses, voodoo or witchcraft or whatever black magic you would like to attribute to justify the losses. The fact of the matter is, Michigan beat Notre Dame with our 22 players who are worse than yours (surely you can’t believe this is true) and our 100-something ranked defense. I’ve tried my best to express humility for the wins the past two years, but your preemptive declarations of winning every year (right around this time) are too much to bear. Once again, we will wait for that second Saturday in September to see what happens on the field.
by Nob on May 13, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
“From what I understand was that Bolden was hoping for an offer from ND that never came.”
The implication seems to be that Bolden is not worthy of a ND offer, regardless of your actual intent. Bolden’s and Grace’s offer sheets and rankings (per scout) are practically identical. My understanding is that Bolden was considered too short by ND coaches (at 6’2") to be optimal for the defensive scheme.
by andy chicago on May 13, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
ND’s loss to Michigan isn’t that inexplicable to me. Crist didn’t inexplicably lose eyesight in one of his eyes. He was probably concussed. 24 points in 35 minutes with the first stringer plus 0 points in 25 minutes with the 2nd and third stringers = loss.
by Hannibal on May 13, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, and Michigan owes Notre Dame about 6 more inexplicable defeats to make up for everything that happened in the Holtz, Davie, and Wililngham era. You want to talk about really shitty teams beating good ones? The 2009 and 2010 contests pale in comparison to the game in 2004.
by Hannibal on May 13, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
as a mich fan, i have always heard about whining ND fanboys who blame the refs for their girlfriends cheating on them. their arrogance and general lack of football knowledge. but, i only have one friend who is a diehard domer, and he’s ok. its not until i come to one of your boards, and read a decent article, then scroll down to the comments do I realize your reputation does, in fact, precede you. most of you are whining little girl sissies. man up. you lost. big deal. OSU has spanked us for what, 76 straight games now? go to a mich fan board, no one is crying about how the refs just don’t find us attractive. and here you all are, lamenting about your superiority AFTER you lost. but we were so much better, boo hoo. and ur damn right you need a win, your program hasn’t been relevant to college football for 2 decades now.
by dmo on May 13, 2011 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
Whoa, did one Michigan fan tell all of his buddies to come here on Friday the 13th to react to this article?
Brady Hoke,
Yes, I will be on the field playing for Notre Dame and making tackles. Thanks for making the point only prigs make on the internet.
Also, what should we put the over/under that you’re not using that screen name in about 3 or 4 years?
To the rest,
This has nothing to do with being arrogant, get over yourselves.
The pure honest evaluation is that Notre Dame has been the better program over the past couple years. Nearly every aspect of the program (including most especially talent) is better than Michigan’s. Does anyone think anyone outside of the ND-UM sphere of influence is going to argue otherwise? No, it’s not happening.
And yes, you have won the past two games. I congratulate you and as you can see it bothers the heck out of us.
Why does it bother us so much? Because we’re the better team but haven’t been able to translate that into victories on the field against you. Does this not make sense?
Not that we’re on the level of OSU, but don’t you think the Buckeyes would be doing the same thing we are if they lost back-to-back games the past two years? You’re not complaining about the losses to OSU (I’ll take your word for it) because you know you’re not better or even close to the same plain as the Bucks.
Of course you won the past two years and you can feel good about it. Notice there’s no mention of the 2006 game, the one in which you clearly demonstrated you were better and put a hurting on the Irish?
That hasn’t happened the past two years and there have been some crazy breaks go against the Irish, that have left us very frustrated.
Is there a “we’re gonna kick Michigan’s ass next year” memo in here that has your panties all in a bunch?
And why respond to this “whining” of ours, with your own whining? You don’t see too much whining about losing to Stanford here. Can you guess why?
by Eric Murtaugh on May 14, 2011 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
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