Pre-Spring Depth Chart: Wide Receiver
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 8, 2011 1:05 PM EST
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PrintThe first installment of the OFD pre-spring depth chart takes a look at the wide receiver position where there has been some news and notes lately to discuss.
Here is the list of receivers that will be on scholarship for the 2011 football season.
*Denotes 5th year eligibility
Michael Floyd, Senior
John Goodman, Senior*
Deion Walker, Senior*
Theo Riddick, Junior
Robby Toma, Junior
TJ Jones, Sophomore
Daniel Smith, Sophomore
Davaris Daniels, Freshman
George Atkinson, Freshman
Thank Goodness Floyd is Coming Back
I have enough faith in Kelly’s player development (especially at receiver) that I don’t think Floyd’s absence would have been devastating, but it clearly would have been a major blow to this unit.
Floyd’s career numbers account for 61.3 percent of the returning receptions, 67.2 percent of the returning receiving yards, and a whopping 80 percent of the returning receiving touchdowns.
Those are very high percentages, but let’s also remember that Theo Riddick missed a good chunk of the season last year and was on pace for very good numbers, TJ Jones missed the last three regular season games, and these numbers don’t account for passing plays to the tight end where the Irish got 20 percent of their production in 2010.
Nevertheless, this group without Floyd is far less intimidating and lacks an experienced and tall outside receiver.
Where’d All That Depth Go?
Coming into the 2009 and 2010 seasons, the Irish appeared loaded at the receiver position in terms of experience and skill, but more so in terms of bodies. Going into 2011, the depth here has been trimmed down a little bit and exposes a unit that doesn’t have a whole lot of experience outside of Floyd.
Still, the depth is adequate and will allow for everyone a chance to see the field at some point. The team might be in a little trouble if Floyd is to go down long-term with an injury, but overall this is a good spot to be in if you’re a younger receiver looking for minutes.
I’d probably be a little more comfortable with another scholarship at receiver, but this affords Brian Kelly the opportunity to sell 2012 recruits on minutes as a freshman and that is always a big selling point at this position.
With Floyd gone after next season, the freshman-to-be class and current 2012 targets will have a huge opportunity to make an impact early in their careers. It will also help that they are the first two full classes to be recruited specifically for Kelly’s system.
Moving Bennett Jackson and Austin Collinsworth to the secondary makes the receiving depth a little thin, but it is in a good spot for next year and for recruiting.
What Can We Expect from the Freshmen?
A couple weeks ago I believed it would have been a toss-up for either Davaris Daniels or George Atkinson to see the field as true freshmen in 2011.
But with Jackson and Collinsworth now out of the mix and only five returning players with adequate experience, it’s hard not to think that Daniels and Atkinson could see plenty of minutes in the fall.
Notre Dame is returning all three opening day starters from last year in Floyd, Riddick and Jones, but behind them you have Goodman and Toma with decent but not overwhelming experience, an upperclassman in Walker who didn’t even see the field last year, and Daniel Smith who saw limited action on special teams only.
It won’t be easy for either freshman to come in and play right away, but it’s not like the depth chart is so clogged with talent that they can’t step on the field at some point and contribute in a significant way.
Who Needs to Step Up?
You could make the case that everyone except Michael Floyd has to step up in this offense which relies on the passing game so often, especially the other two returning starters.
Theo Riddick needs to stay healthy, continue refining his skills at wide receiver and become the consistent threat in the slot that we saw glimpses of last year.
TJ Jones had moments last year where he looked like a future star, and he’ll need to continue getting better. Ideally, he'd lock down the third starting position with another spring and fall under his belt.
But I think the one player who really needs to step up is John Goodman.
Deion Walker would be another candidate, but he’s been on campus for three full seasons, has caught one ball and hasn’t even been on two separate coaching staff’s radar. There’s the possibility that he breaks out in 2011, but it’s probably more likely that he plays sparingly and is not granted a fifth year of eligibility.
Robby Toma is another choice, but I don’t think there’s much pressure on him to improve this unit. He’s undersized but very fast, and should always be a nice backup who can come in and play well when he gets the ball in his hands.
But Goodman on the other hand, has higher expectations, has played well at times during his career, and will be a reasonably seasoned senior coming into 2011. His punt return duties may be coming to an end, but he has a great mixture of size and speed and needs to step up and give the Irish another big presence on the outside.
Will Riddick Really Move to Running Back?
It still seems highly unlikely.
The current receiving corps is very good and will probably be ranked among the best in the country when the preseason magazines are published, but removing Riddick from the slot immediately makes this group far less intimidating and explosive.
Brian Kelly has invested far too much teaching in Riddick to switch him back to running back, when he can get the ball in Riddick’s hands through the running game as a slot receiver anyway.
Barring some kind of major injury to Cierre Wood or another running back on the two deep, I don’t think Riddick moves to the backfield, and even with such an injury we’d probably just see Riddick more often in the wildcat formation.
What’s the Lineup Going to Look Like?
We know Floyd will be starting and Riddick should be the guy in the slot, although I’m less certain that TJ Jones will lock down the third starting position on the outside.
I’ve always thought that because of his size Jones was a better fit for the slot, but he’s not going to wrestle much playing time away from Riddick in that regard. He might be deployed in the slot in some four-receiver sets, but the Irish are just as likely to kick a tight end out instead of another wideout in that formation.
Being tall isn’t as big of a deal in the spread as it would be in a pro-style system, but it would be nice if two out of the three projected starters weren’t less than six feet tall and there could be some decent size on the field opposite of Floyd.
While I think a Floyd-Riddick-Jones starting lineup is the safe bet, I think Goodman (6’3") and sophomore Daniel Smith (6’4") might get a hard look at the outside position and could push for some quality playing time.
One young player to keep on your radar will be Davaris Daniels, who will likely come in and contribute right away as a freshman. Fellow freshman George Atkinson could also contribute early (especially in special teams), but Daniels has the taller frame and legitimate speed to compete for serious minutes right out of the gate.
A starting spot still seems unlikely (especially since he won’t be in for spring), but I wouldn’t be wholly surprised if Daniels is the starting X receiver at some point in 2011. He’s still very raw, but his size, speed, and talent level are all likely a notch above TJ Jones, so it shouldn’t shock anyone if Daniels catches 25 or 30 passes this upcoming season.
Coach Kelly seemed genuinely excited about having Daniels and had more than just the generic praise for him on signing day. I also think Kelly realizes that without Floyd in 2012, a player with the skill, size and potential like Daniels has to be an experienced threat and ready to take on a big role as a sophomore.
That likely means a lot of playing time as a freshman.
Overall, there is good depth and skill at the wide receiver position heading into spring practice. The return of Michael Floyd boosts this unit (and the team) across the board, but I think it’s important to stress that the younger players have to step up and make the transition as painless as possible when Floyd heads to the NFL.
Another couple gems in next year’s recruiting class will make that an easier road to travel, but ideally the improved output of Riddick, Jones, and Goodman with quality minutes from Daniels, Toma and Smith will keep the receivers at a high level of play into 2012.
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Eric great breakdown of the reciever position for next year. You’ve convinced me that Riddick will stay at the position. Didn’t Daniel Smith play on special teams last year?
by TLNDMA on Feb 8, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I was about to make that comment – pretty sure the staff saw enough out of D. Smith in practice that they put him in late in the season. Had a few people scratching their heads, but I consider WR a position where preserving a 5th yr of elegibility isn’t such a big deal. Lots of skill position guys can & do play as frosh, whereas you really don’t want your O-linemen to.
by baIrish on Feb 8, 2011 1:37 PM EST reply actions
Ahh yes, the official site says he played in 7 games and had one assisted tackle and a fumble recovery. Nice catch guys! I’ll change that then.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 8, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions
I will say having name plates on the jerseys makes it easier to remember players who played and those who didn’t.
Not that I’m advocating putting names on there, but you get my point.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 8, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions
Eric —
Like the pre-preview. A few questions though. I guess I always considered Floyd the X receiver, but it looks like you are tagging him as the Y. I was thinking more often than not he is weakside and almost always without the slot, but I guess its semantics in the end. I agree, Jones seems like a better fit for the slot/4th wide than starting at the Y (or whatever you want to call it). Where would Shaq Evans have been if he toughed it out this year? Interesting to think about…
Which brings me to Deion Walker. I remember watching the UA game when he picked ND and being pretty pumped, only to have it net one 15 yd catch in 3 years (against Washington, I believe in 2009). I swear I remember him playing special teams last year (kick return/coverage) but can’t find the stats to back it up. What an enigma. I don’t want to write the kid off but don’t expect much either.
BK seems really high on Daniels, and I think he definitely breaks into the rotation at some point. He needs to add a solid 20-30 lbs though, which will be tough to do in just the summer. He has a very high ceiling though, so it will be interesting to see how/when he is used.
As for 2012 recruits, one name—Dorial Green-Beckham. I’m just sayin’…
by Jim Miesle on Feb 8, 2011 10:18 PM EST reply actions
I’d look for Toma to catch 20-40 balls next year. We all know he’s not the biggest or the most polished but the kid screams “fearless!” I could she the little guy making a living exploiting the soft zone in the middle of the field.
Not everyone that gets a scholarship makes an impact. We all should know that. If Deion never plays any meaningful time, I’m okay with that. As long as he isn’t a disruption to the team or getting himself in trouble he’s at least getting himself a damn good education. However, it might take him a bit longer than the rest of the upperclassmen to buy in. You never know, he might bust out of the shell he’s in this offseason and really get after it. Remember, Steve Filer is on this team also and he hasn’t been tearing it up either.
by President Rome on Feb 9, 2011 12:32 AM EST reply actions
Miesle,
It is my understanding that the Z receiver is almost always your best receiver and lines up off the line of scrimmage. That’s what I have Floyd as, although Kelly moved all of the receivers around from time to time. I think the typical formation is the Z receiver off the line of scrimmage on one side with a tight end, and the X receiver on the line of scrimmage with the Y receiver off the line of scrimmage on the other side.
I had high hopes for Shaq Evans, but I guess we move on now. It would have been nice if he could have filled in the the role of a tall and talented receiver opposite of Floyd by now. I kind of feel bad for him going to UCLA where completing a pass is equivalent to building a rocket ship.
The official list has Walker without a game in 2010, that’s pretty unbelievable but true I think. He even made a couple nice plays in last year’s Blue-Gold game too. I second your thoughts on his future.
I’d bet Daniels adds 10 pounds before fall practice. All of these players nowadays seem to do that before their freshman year. If he’s at a solid 200 pounds, I think he’ll be okay for his freshman year. Great potential there, I’m excited to watch him get after it.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 9, 2011 7:57 AM EST reply actions
President Rome,
I could see Toma with 20 receptions, which would be a slight increase from last year. 40 seems like asking too much though. I was very impressed with his play last year, but I don’t think we have the quarterback accuracy (as of right now) to be able to feed him the ball any other way than simple crossing routes, slants or bubble screens. He’d probably have to be absolutely tearing it up for a QB to target him 50 or 60 times next year.
It would be nice if Walker broke out this year, but it doesn’t look good. I’m sure we’ll hear Kelly say something about him during the spring which will give us a hint at where he’s at. Filer is kind of in a similar situation, but he’s at least been on the field and made some plays through his career. Filer has played in 36 games and made 32 tackles with 1.5 sacks. Not mind blowing numbers through three years but it’s a lot better than Walker’s six games and 1 catch.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 9, 2011 8:02 AM EST reply actions
Thanks for the clarification on the terminology. I think we were basically thinking the same thing, but since the TE motions more often than not, it only adds to the confusion. Maybe I was confusing it with the Weis designations, which were X/Y with Z as the slot, but it matters not.
I totally agree about Toma, and he has been a nice surprise so far. Given the fearless tag, would he ever return punts? Who knows. 20 receptions sounds about right, and given his size, you could only really target him on the routes you pointed out (crossing, slant, screen). You have to love the effort he brings, hopefully that is contageous.
Just one more thought on Green-Beckham. Not sure how many listened to Tom Lemming on the post-signing day interview on WSBT (http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20110204/SPORTS13/302049998/1021/Sports), but he said that Green-Beckham’s coach is very good friends with Zeke Motta’s father. Every little bit helps
by Jim Miesle on Feb 9, 2011 8:36 AM EST reply actions
Brian Kelly has hinted that he might bring Riddick back to running back. How I hope that he does. He is being wasted at wide receiver. He is a game-breaker at running back—he needs many touches during the game. If he teams with Everett Golson in the backfield, we can run a devastating spread attack. Think Pat White and Steve Slaton at West Virginia—they were unstoppable.
As for the wide receivers, a tremendous trio would be Floyd and Daniels at the wideouts and TJ Jones in the slot. As soon as Atkinson makes the adjustment from being a high school running back, he could be added to the mix. Golson would have field day with that kind of talent. Big plays would abound.
by irishize on Feb 9, 2011 8:46 AM EST reply actions
It’s always good to have that connection concerning DGB and Zeke’s father. If we could land him it would be amazing.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 9, 2011 8:57 AM EST reply actions
Riddick being wasted at receiver? I beg to differ.
First, so far Riddick has looked better and has been more productive as a receiver. Has he spent more time and touches at receiver and does that slant the view a little bit? Absolutely. But, he’s never really shown that he is 100% a game-breaker at running back.
There are gripes that Cierre Wood dances too much in the backfield, but Riddick is by far the worse offender. He wants to juke every single defender and that has made him less effective in the wildcat or on the couple of jet sweeps he was handed last year.
Don’t get me wrong, Riddick could probably move back to RB and become a legitimate No. 1 guy, but his sample size as a freshman wasn’t big enough and he wasn’t great as a runner as a sophomore.
On the flip side, he’s super dangerous and hard to defend in the slot, and once he got comfortable was a beast there. There was a four or five game stretch where he was the team’s best receiver and overall offensive threat…I don’t think that is called being wasted.
As it is, he’s probably not going to be needed at RB anyway, assuming Cameron Roberson (whom Kelly appears to love) can come in and play well. And like said, you can still get the ball to Riddick on the ground as a slot receiver. He was only given two or three jet sweep carries last year and some wildcat carries…I’d expect the playbook to open up and Riddick get a lot of touches outside of his receptions.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 9, 2011 9:12 AM EST reply actions
As far as I know Daniel Smith is still with the team. Are you hearing something Doug?
There is a lot of chatter that Massa is moving to receiver…
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 9, 2011 11:07 AM EST reply actions
For the life of me I can’t find a 40 time on Massa. Not that it really matters, since there is speed and “football speed”. He would basically be a slightly taller version of John Goodman, so I would say its probably a good move and opens up the potential for some trickeration, ala the Goodman-Floyd TD pass vs. Western Michigan.
As for Riddick, I would like to see him stay in the slot where he is most dangerous, but having him move to RB on certain packages/occasions would be an excellent addition to the offense. Does BK try to add some of the wrinkles in the offseason? Based on the 2010 offense, I have to believe that only 60-70% of the offense has been integrated so far.
by Jim Miesle on Feb 9, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions
I’d feel a lot better about the clogged toilet at QB if Massa moved to receiver. I think it would be a smart move because we could use one more body there and he has the size that could possibly make up for his lack of speed. I bet he’s a pretty good athlete to make an impact at some point.
I have to think the offense is going to open up. Of course we’re never going to get close to 100% until there’s a quarterback who is a legitmate threat on the option read play, so we might be another year away from that.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 9, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions
I think Riddick needs to stay right where he’s at. For one thing, I hate bouncing players around too much when they need as much development time as they can get at one position. And secondly, I think he’s a better slot receiver than running back. He got much better as the season went along last year, and I think he just needs to be left alone. Besides, I think Notre Dame clearly needs him more at receiver than running back. Between Wood, Gray and Roberson they should be able to put together a running attack, but this is not a deep receiving corps. If you move Riddick, that means Jones goes into the slot and Goodman moves into Jones’ spot. That would leave Roma, Daniel Smith and probably the freshmen as next in line. This offense only needs one RB at a time, but it needs at least 3 WRs.
Deion Walker is example #1 of why you can’t get too excited about recruits until they actually get on the field. He entered college the same year as Floyd as a 4-star recruit, and hasn’t done anything. It’s been two separate coaching staffs who have buried him. I have no expectations for him going forward. He obviously doesn’t have the work ethic, or perhaps was just overrated coming out of high school. Same goes for Steve Filer. I’ve been reading for years what a beast this guy is physically, but it’s never shown on the field.
Contrast that with Robby Toma, who was a throw-in to get Te’o to come here. No expectations, sees playing time under both Weis and Kelly, and I think he’ll definitely see the field again in 2011. He’s exactly the type of guy I like working the middle, good hands and fearless. We all get excited about recruits on signing day, but you truly do never know until they step on the field. Deion Walker should be running circles around Robby Toma, and instead it’s the other way around.
by Chris on Feb 9, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions
Chris,
True dat.
Good stuff there…although I think Filer is going to put together a great senior season.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 9, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions
Why is Collinsworth assumed to be moving to DB? Has there been an announcement? I heard about Jackson but nothing on Collinsworth…
by IrishGold on Feb 9, 2011 6:02 PM EST reply actions
Collinsworth to safety…per Irish Illustrated.
They are rarely, if ever, wrong. They KNOW people!!
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST reply actions
Nice breakdown, Eric. Maybe Walker has not lived up to expectations and this may be his last chance to shine. But, if anything shows we recruit and commit to players differently than a SEC team, we can point to four year scholarships for such players. We don’t oversign and show someone the door after a year or two.
Massa’s 40 time — 4.81 secs Source: http://www.recruitingplanet.com/forum/wisconsin-inactive-recruits/31393-10-oh-qb-luke-massa-cincinnati-verbal.html
Does it make sense to move Collinsworth (4.66) or Jackson (4.44) to DB and move Massa (4.81) outside? Maybe TE or ILB. Calabrese – 4.70. Manit – 4.55. But 40 times can be overrated.
2012 – DGB would be a great addition, see early playing time and fits perfectly in Kelly’s system. Anyone else notice the Midwest flavor to our WR offers – 1 Iowa, 2 Missouri, 1 Oklahoma, 2 Texas, 1 Ohio (plus 1 Californian)?
by Michael Collins on Feb 11, 2011 2:07 AM EST reply actions
4.81 for Massa? Yikes. I’m just going to say that I think he can run faster than that. He was a good basketball player in high school so he should have some form of quickness. If he’s really not going to sniff quarterback, I think wide receiver would be best. At least you could get him in going in the special teams game, and he’d be a neat threat to throw it to on some reverse plays!
I like the Midwest flavor. Question is, are they used to running on real grass or FieldTurf?
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 11, 2011 7:53 AM EST reply actions
Yikes indeed on the 4.81. I’m also skeptical of that number; we’ve read from numerous sources that he’s a pretty athletic kid. He’s gotta be faster than that, no?
by Whiskeyjack on Feb 11, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions
He has to be faster, he came in pretty skinny too. He has to have some speed.
Also I want to clarify that he would be the receiver to throw the ball on the reverse, a la Goodman, and not have it thrown to him.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 11, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions
2012 TE Prospect, Sean Price’s 40 time – 4.86. Just sayin’
Massa to TE would be joining a rather crowded field though – and there’s Niklas to consider.
by Michael Collins on Feb 11, 2011 7:50 PM EST reply actions
GAIII is the most likely freshman WR to see the field and he was recruited to be the replacement for Floyd.
by Zach on Feb 16, 2011 11:02 PM EST reply actions
As far as Deion Walker there is a reason he really slid down the rankings his senior year. He just doesn’t have it and I’m with Eric from what I have heard that he’s just going to ride it out for his ND degree(never a bad thing for a kid). He was just way overrated and it showed in the UA game and he’s never materialized.
by Zach on Feb 16, 2011 11:04 PM EST reply actions
The starters will look like this:
Floyd
Theo (slot)
TJ Jones
2nd String:
Daniel Smith
Toma
John Goodman
3rd String:
GAIII (I think by the end of the season he could be 2nd string)
TJ Jones
Davaris Daniels
by Zach on Feb 16, 2011 11:13 PM EST reply actions
Zach,
Wouldn’t Daniels be the replacement for Floyd?
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 17, 2011 7:55 AM EST reply actions
No, GAIII was recruited to be Floyd’s replacement and that’s been the story since the beginning from the staff.
by Zach on Feb 17, 2011 8:22 AM EST reply actions
This is a snippet on GAIII from Irish Illustrated’s column on who is likely to play first out of the freshman:
George Atkinson III
Atkinson might have been first on this list if Michael Floyd turned pro early, but now the NFL legacy can learn in a supporting role to the future pro. The Irish staff recruited Atkinson to work outside the numbers, a spot where athleticism can trump technique. Even though Atkinson played a little bit of everything in high school, this is a finesse receiver who could make a similar early impact to TJ Jones last season.
by Zach on Feb 17, 2011 9:18 AM EST reply actions
It’s actually an excellent article that I will post for those who may have a membership and haven’t read it:
by Zach on Feb 17, 2011 9:18 AM EST reply actions
Here is what they said about Davaris Daniels:
DaVaris Daniels
Too athletic to sit, Daniels could be dynamic on special teams from the moment he steps on campus. But at a lean 175 pounds, the NFL legacy could use time to bulk up before growing into a full fledged college receiver. It’s hard to imagine Daniels not playing next season, although there’s at least a legit decision to make. Top-end skill talent rarely sticks around for a fifth year anyway, so the roster benefit of a red shirt may be moot.
by Zach on Feb 17, 2011 9:22 AM EST reply actions
Yeah I understand those point of views, and both Atkinson and Daniels can play on the outside.
But Daniels is taller and will be the bigger receiver. He was more highly rated coming out of high school and is more of a pure receiver. He’s similar to Floyd with his skills and ability to go up and get the ball.
Nothing I’ve heard directly from the coaches or Kelly’s mouths leads me to believe that Atkinson is “Floyd’s heir apparent.” Just look at what Kelly said about both during NSD. He said some nice things about Atkinson, but then RAVED about Daniels.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 17, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions
Even the end of that II piece said it…Atkinson although tall and has great speed, is much more like a finesse slot receiver. I wouldn’t count out that he moves to the outside at some point in his career, but in contrast I am sure Daniels is going to be an outside guy from day one.
by Eric Murtaugh on Feb 17, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions
Daniels was not the higher rated player coming out of high school. I’m telling you what the guys at II have gotten from inside the program. GAIII is going to be playing the Floyd position and they even recruited him as such and Daniels is going to be playing the TJ Jones/Kamara spot opposite.
by Zach on Feb 17, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions
None of this is meant as a knock on Davaris but just in relation to the position they will both be playing. They are both very highly ranked. GAIII spent most of the season in the Rivals 100 and was ranked as an ATH and played as a DB in the Army game. He slid a little after the Army game due to guys getting bumped up and finished ranked #126 overall while Davaris was ranked #178 in the Rivals 250. I expect big things from both guys and am stoked about them being in the line-up. I think both will help early on in special teams as well as they are both explosive.
by Zach on Feb 17, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions
Floyd is an AA this year no question about it. he was the best WR on the team that had the biletnikoff winner two years ago.
Deion Walker was ranked higher than Floyd for a period of time , but i dont think he’ll ever see the field, which is a shame- too fast, looks like an AJ Green type WR, but people say he is unwilling to take a hit.
Goody i think will fill in where he’s needed, hopefully he doesnt take any punt returns….there has to be someone better!!
Riddick should be a player this year
TJ had a great season last year, and hopefully he makes a name for himself this year.
Toma was a nice surprise. I thought he was just a bargaining chip to get Manti, but he did play well last year.
Daniels and Atkinson I think can sit out and learn as we have a nice group of guys. if anything, i see Atkinson getting some returns and Toma getting passed up
Smith, maybe he transitions to defense, i dont see him getting much time on offense
by chris on Feb 23, 2011 6:45 AM EST reply actions
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