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Outside the Irish Huddle: Navy Runs Over Notre Dame

This was easily the hardest post-game recap to write this season, no big surprise there. It's all over the place, it probably doesn't make sense in places, and it's probably a poor effort all around. Just like the loss to Navy.

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Let’s take a deep breath before we get into this.

Settled down? Okay, we’re going to get this all off our chest right now.

On Navy

I’m not going to disagree that this was a bad loss or that this was a pathetic effort by the entire team.

But what I won’t do is belittle our opponent and cry out that this was the worst loss in Notre Dame history or even the worst loss in recent Irish history.

We got thumped. We got outworked. We got outhustled. We got pushed around. We got outcoached.

But all of those things happened against a very GOOD team.

All of that happened against one of the best Navy teams of the past 50 years, with one of the best quarterbacks in school history for the Middies.

Don’t lump this loss in with some of the truly epic losses that Notre Dame has suffered over the past few years, because I don’t think it is quite at that level.

I’m not happy with the loss and thinking about it is really sickening, but it’s not the end of the world. I repeat, it is not the end of the world.

If this team lost by 18 to Purdue, or Western Michigan, then we’ll talk about the worst losses. If the Irish come out and get roughed up by Tulsa next week, then we’ll consider that a terrible loss.

As it is now, this was a tough loss. It was a loss that we didn’t expect, a loss that could have and should have been avoided, but it is not the worst loss ever or an indictment on the Brian Kelly era.

I’m sick and tired of people saying that we shouldn’t ever lose to Navy, that Brian Kelly is never going to lose to Navy or that it is a downright shame that Notre Dame has lost three out of the last four to Navy.

The Midshipmen have been a good team for the last half decade or more and Notre Dame hasn’t. Maybe the recruiting rankings and speed and talent tell a different story but the story that matters is the one that is played out on the field.

On Crist

Well then.

Besides the defense (oh yes we’re going to get that in a bit), Crist’s play was the most troubling aspect of this loss.

The truth is that I am at a loss of words at how to explain what is going on.

What bothers me most is that Crist seems to have so many intangibles and qualities that it is hard to think that he won’t be a big success at Notre Dame.

He’s got the size, the arm strength, the smarts and the leadership qualities on and off the field. In sum, you’d have a hard time building a better "Notre Dame guy" to take snaps for the Irish.

That all adds up to one promising talent and who at some point should become a difference maker for Notre Dame.

The problem is that we keep seeing performances from Crist that seem to indicate that maybe, just maybe, he doesn’t have that special "IT" inside of him.

It is still too early to tell if this is really the case, but there’s a creeping feeling that maybe Crist won’t be the player we all think he will be. He could very well take a big leap during the offseason and go on to take this offense to a different level, but he simply has not improved as the year has gone on and he has regressed in a lot of ways.

With that said, I don’t think the loss was his entire fault obviously and he did make some nice throws (particularly on Jones’ TD catch), but as long as he is inconsistent this Notre Dame offense is in trouble.

I was happy with his mobility and running today, but it is evident that he’s not going to take the offense to the next level with his feet either. Again, if he continues to be erratic with his throwing and decision making, Brian Kelly will have no choice but to look elsewhere for a quarterback.

On the Offense

We’re just not there yet and I don’t think we will be this year.

Notre Dame is kind of good at everything (yes I think the running game is good, just underutilized), but not really very good at anything and far too inconsistent to be a dangerous offense. And without Kyle Rudolph and Theo Riddick for the long term, things won’t get any easier.

Before the season started I thought the Irish had the horses to be a very good spread offense, even in the first year of Brian Kelly’s tenure. But after the loss to Navy this was the first time I really thought that Brian Kelly probably wants some fresh faces on that side of the ball, including possibly going in a different direction at quarterback.

Overall, I wasn’t too angered by the offense against Navy. If they had scored on the first drive and not turned the ball over on the interception at the end of the half, this could have been a much closer game.

The way the defense played the Irish still probably would have lost, but the offense had its moments where it was clicking. The injuries on that side of the ball have to be factored into the equation too. The defense didn’t have any of those excuses.

There’s just a bit of melancholy because Brian Kelly’s overall philosophy demands a dynamic and explosive offense and it’s just not there.

On Hendrix

I don’t want to be too alarmist at this juncture, but if Crist doesn’t improve to finish this season, will current freshman Andrew Hendrix challenge for the starting job in 2011?

We already know that Hendrix has as strong, if not a stronger arm and that he can bring an added dimension of running that doesn’t exist right now. The word from campus is that he is mature and physically ready to play, so if Crist continues to struggle with his accuracy and decision making, I think there’s a definite possibility Hendrix gets into the mix.

I was very impressed with Hendrix in high school and that may mean squat at the next level, but I think there is a good chance that he is sharing at least some snaps next year with Crist and pushing for some serious playing time.

On the Defense

Flat out, I did not like the game plan against the triple option and I thought it had more to do with the loss than anything else.

The Coach broke down how the Irish would attack and it appeared that they did exactly as he said. I’m not a football expert nor do I claim to have the answers to what went wrong schematically, but from a common sense standpoint, this did not look good.

All Navy had to do was block our three down linemen and they could run the ball right up the middle with ease. The middle linebackers were continually so far from the line of scrimmage that they couldn’t effectively get to the ball in time before being blocked.

You could say that Notre Dame got pushed around on defense and that is true, but I saw things a little differently.

What I saw is a defense that is a little slow and a defense that is not smart.

The latter issue is the biggest. There just isn’t any backyard instinctive play from anyone save Manti Te’o. The defense is a step slow recognizing where the ball is going, or they are taking a bad pursuit angle and miss a tackle.

They won’t just stop and jump up for a ball, but will grab a player’s jersey and pick up a holding call. And when they do make the right read they seemed content with getting blocked and not fighting to get to the ball carrier.

There’s a lot of talk about the team not playing with emotion and lacking intensity and that is certainly a valid argument. But I would say that the defense just got beat and couldn’t do anything about it.

That signals to me that it really isn’t about the team playing without intensity but that maybe some new blood needs to come in and make a difference. Sometimes, the players you have just aren’t good enough and a very precise and intelligent Navy offense might have proved that point on Saturday.

There isn’t a whole lot more to say. The defense stunk and so did most of the team.

What’s Brian Kelly Thinking?

Does this loss expose major problems for Notre Dame?

That’s a tough question to answer. Like I said earlier, Navy is a pretty solid team and even though they kicked the crap out of our defense maybe we should put this loss in perspective.

I’m very concerned how this loss affects the rest of this season and possibly recruiting, but I don’t think it is crippling. It just can’t be only eight games in Brian Kelly’s tenure in South Bend.

Offensively, I don’t think there are major problems although we could very well struggle for the rest of this year with the injuries there. But even if this team limps to the end of the season struggling to move the ball, I think we should trust that Brian Kelly is going keep improving the offense, even if that means making some serious changes.

Defensively, there are a boat load of questions.

Part of me feels like there’s a boat load of bad luck and bad mojo with this group of players. There’s that feeling of "of course this run defense teased us and started to look much improved in recent weeks and then Navy rolled way over 300 yards."

How do you explain the performance on defense?

We’d probably all agree that there needs to be an infusion of talent on defense, but the talent that is present is nowhere near as bad as the way they looked against Navy.

Is there just an aura of losing back there that can’t be changed? It sure seems that way after this loss.

I guess what we do know is that the road back is going to be a little longer and a little harder than we previously thought and the future is probably going to be bleaker too.

So this isn’t a great place to be in right now. We’ll be besieged with thoughts of things never turning around, never getting better or even things getting worse.

We’ll just have to wait and see.

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Yes for the first time I have my doubts about Dayne also. Late into the second Qtr. I thought he was carrying the offense and then the bad Dayne showed up. Once bad Dayne shows up all bets are off, his confidence gets shot, doubts creep in and it can get ugly.
As for the defense, I don’t understand how they could play so poorly. They gave up 6yds per play when Navy ran and 35yds per play on 2 passes. ( it would have been more if Smith does not foul on third pass attempt) It has to rank as one of the poorest defensive efforts I have seen from the Irish. For the first time this year you saw no fight from the defense. Yes Navy ruins their scheme well but, other lesser teams have done a much better job against them this year. ND had no answers and that has me befuddled as to how much is this a talent (personnel) issue and or how badly was the team prepared. I really thought this defense had made progress and thought we were seeing a young Def.Coord. coming into his own but, I have to say after this I now have doubts.
This week against Tulsa is now a much bigger test. They have a good offense and this defense MUST show up with a better effort and a better plan. I still believe Kelly will get this done but, the foundation did get rattled yesterday.

by TLNDMA on Oct 24, 2010 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

ND got beaten for control of both lines of scrimmage.

To paraphrase you, when are things going to change?

by Michael Collins on Oct 24, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

the play that typified the defense effort for me was the second pass, completed again #4 (gary gray, right?). It was a disgusting play. Gray was jogging the entire way. He wasn’t actually committed to covering because he thought it was another run. Then he was caught flat footed with the ball in the air. Once he realized he’d been beat he started running and caught the guy in a flash. He’s clearly the better athlete. But he didn’t give a damn about coverage and it showed. Its one thing to line up against a physical team and get punched (i.e. stanford). What was so frustrating about this game is that we have the better athletes. For the first time under BK the malaise and sense of entitlement that characterized the last 3 years of CW’s tenure were clearly apparent.

I hope that BK gives them a dressing down this week. they need it.

by domer03 on Oct 24, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m starting to think that sports writers and fans have been saying, that Notre Dame will never again be the Notre Dame of old.

by Gary on Oct 24, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

No, this is not one of the best Navy teams of the past 50 years. Why then did they lose to a poor Maryland team? Or Air Force?

But they didn’t have to be one of the best Navy teams to thoroughly outclass Notre Dame. And that is shameful in any season. Stop sugarcoating it.

by DJ on Oct 24, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

TLNDMA,

I agree with everything you said. They’d better put in a great effort this week and beat Tulsa.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 24, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

MC,

I thought the O-line wasn’t terrible. Not great by any stretch, but they did better than last year against Navy. That QB sneak is a tough call, sometimes I blame the QB on those plays as much as the line.

The D-line just got worked. It doesn’t make any sense. It was just a hot mess.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 24, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Domer,

From what I remember Gary Gray just got his ankles broken on a quick move by the receiver. I’d have to watch it again to see if he was doggin’ it.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 24, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Gary,

That’s the easy thought at this point and we’ll certainly hear that a lot. I still like Brian Kelly as a hire right now, and believe he’ll turn this ship around.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 24, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

DJ,

This is one of the best teams that Navy has had since their post-Staubach era.

Ricky Dobbs is their best QB in decades. He was also dinged up for a lot of the early portion of the season, as were a few other players.

They put up almost 500 rushing yards against Maryland and outgained them by over 200 yards. They just had some bad breaks that led to the loss. Air Force is a decent team as well and Navy didn’t play as well in that game, but it doesn’t really take away from the fact that this is a very dangerous Middie squad.

I’m not sugarcoating it, I’m just stating that Navy is a good football team and I don’t think it’s fair to say otherwise. I’m not saying they’re great, and they certainly lay some stink bombs of their own from time to time, but they have proven over the past few years that they can hang with every team they play.

They could very well run the table and end the year 11-2. We could argue that they’re not the best Navy team, but they are clearly one of the best.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 24, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

what I saw: Navy plays assignment correct football, ND not so much. Crist looks like Rusty Lisch…, ND is not a physical team.

by valpodoc on Oct 24, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

For anyone that might be interested The Coach left his comments on yesterday’s defensive performance in the comments section under the original post from earlier this week.

Just head over there and scroll down through the comments section. It is very enlightening.

by whiskey on Oct 24, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

While I applaud your pariotism for supporting the Navy I am growing tired of everyone giving Navy a pass because they are in the military. Learn to separate that from the field. There is NO WAY IN HELL that ND should EVER, EVER, EVER lose to Navy. We outweigh them by at least 50 lbs across the line of scrimmage. We have far more talent than they do. So, losing to Navy IS a big deal and IS embarrassing and IS a horrible loss.

by ndirishusn on Oct 24, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh and yes, Navy can hang with every team they play…have you actually looked at their schedule? It is very weak, including ND!

by ndirishusn on Oct 24, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

ndirishusn,

I’m not giving Navy a pass because of their military affiliation. I’m saying they are a good football team.

I know we outweigh them and have more talent, but with the way Navy has played football since the early portions of this decade and how ND has played football during that same time, you can’t really say that the Irish should never lose to Navy.

We are hurting from injuries, in new systems, and just not a great football team right now. To outsiders it’s not that surprsing that ND would lose this game, although us fans are pretty pissed at how the loss came to be.

I’m growing tired of everyone acting like Navy is one of the worst teams in the country and that ND, even with all of our problems, shouldn’t ever lose to them.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a big thing, but why does Kelly always elect to receive when ND wins the coin toss? Almost no other coach does this (oh, yea, except for Charlie Weis). The offense rarely scores on its first series, and it’s deflating not getting the ball at the beginning of the second half (especially when ND is behind or in a close game, which is the usual situation).

by jerseyirish on Oct 24, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Jersey,

That’s just Kelly’s thing I guess. He’s probably thinking take that possession in the beginning and maybe it’s one more you wouldn’t otherwise have, especially with a team like Navy eating clock like crazy. I would kick sometimes, but he probably won’t.

Although, the first drive looked good, if only they punched it in at the goal line.

by Eric Murtaugh on Oct 24, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

On the Gary Gray coverage… The worst thing about that play, besides tripping over his own feet, getting away with defensive holding, and jogging after the play… was that it was a STRAIGHT 3-STEP DROP!, no option – straight drop back, HELLO, they weren’t even trying to fool you on that one!

by AKMatt on Oct 24, 2010 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

This was one of the worst ND games I have ever seen. Navy is a good football team, and we all have respect for them. But ND should NEVER get blown out and drug up and down the field by a Navy team. Crist was terrible…just terrible…I understand growning pains with a new system and all that, but he continues to throw terrible passes. The defense….I have to agree with Kirk H. “Looks like a high school defense.” I can’t wait till ND is on top of the world again. I always think with the glass half full also, I give ND a chance against anybody they play. I will pull for them till the end. But 8 games into the season and that’s our progess so far??? You can’t sugar coat a loss like that.

by AlaIrish on Oct 25, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Navy has an excellent QB and should have beaten Maryland. They are not a great team by any stretch of the imagination, which is evident when looking at who they have played and the scores in those games. They would struggle to play .500 ball in the Big Ten, a mediocre conference.

The loss this past Saurday was atrocious. To get dominated like that by an academy was similar to Air Force 2007, except this ND team is more talented that the horrid 2007 squad. There is no way to portray this as a beatdown by a very good college team. It was a crap-the-bed performance by a team that has every advantage you could ask for relative to its opponent. The coaching was terrible, especially on the defensive side of the ball, and the players have to take some blame too.

This probably isn’t as bad as the Michigan and Florida State shutdout/beatdowns earlier this decade, or the Syracuse losses. But it’s close. There is no shame in dropping an occasional close game to Navy- they are a decent team. But to get dominated by them like ND was Saturday is inexcusable.

by George on Oct 26, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

One other thing to think about. Navy might have been able to drop 50 on ND if they hadn’t called the dogs off.

by George on Oct 26, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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